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David. said:
effectively refutes your claim that everyone actually does get treatment and they dont die.
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That's not what I said.
This is going nowhere.
Quote me, then refute the quote.
I never said nobody dies and everyone gets treatment. I said that there are ways for people to get critical lifesaving care even if they don't have money or insurance.
I've posted quotes and links showing exactly that.
 
Whittaker said:
That's not what I said.
This is going nowhere.
Quote me, then refute the quote.
I never said nobody dies and everyone gets treatment. I said that there are ways for people to get critical lifesaving care even if they don't have money or insurance.
I've posted quotes and links showing exactly that.
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Yea obviously not everyone can get what you're implying is available to everyone.


If you weren't making an argument that aid is available to everyone, then it's a pretty fucking weak argument. The programs you're referring to don't just approve everyone. What you're saying is ridiculous.

St Judes helps children. Is cancer restricted to only infecting children? Or is that a minority of people who have it? Do you think a church can come up with 50k for chemo, reliably, for Everyone? That's fucking silly dude. There are more people with cancer than there are churches. What you're asserting has zero basis in reality. You're living in a fantasy and people are very patiently telling you you're wrong, using our close friends and family who are no longer with us as evidence.

So "I don't know what to say", but I would rethink my position if I were you.
 
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In an exchange with Gouri I supported Universal Single Payer Healthcare in America provided certain limits and cost controls were implemented.
What we should be wondering is why neither the Republican Party nor the Democratic Party can create and pass a good healthcare law.
Democrats had the majority and presidency and passed ObamaCare which is a huge failure.
Republicans now have the majority and the presidency and it looks like they will fail also.
Yet most of the country will keep voting for their party and blaming the other party for our pathetic healthcare system.
 
David. said:
What you're asserting has zero basis in reality.
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No. What you claim I am asserting has no basis in reality.
I didn't assert that everyone gets treatment and nobody dies.
If I did, you would have no problem quoting that assertion.
 
Whittaker said:
No. What you claim I am asserting has no basis in reality.
I didn't assert that everyone gets treatment and nobody dies.
If I did, you would have no problem quoting that assertion.
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Took me two seconds.

No child in America should be denied life-saving medical care due lack of insurance or finances. And I've never heard a credible story of that happening in the past 40 years.
Is this like the 40 million starving Americans that can't be found?

Are you really going to place a giant distinction on children vs everyone else?

Or should my friend be dead because he wasn't a child anymore? He can be denied necessary care and die? Are you really holding to this?

What a stupid argument.
 
Whittaker said:
No. What you claim I am asserting has no basis in reality.
I didn't assert that everyone gets treatment and nobody dies.
If I did, you would have no problem quoting that assertion.
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Every region has hospitals operated by state and local government (public hospitals) as well as some nonprofit hospitals that provide a safety net for anyone who needs care, regardless of ability to pay.


You posted this, dipshit. Yea everyone isn't covered. Go ride around on a unicorn in your bubble googling things you aren't familiar with. It's producing a great result.
 
Uncle Fred is having chest pains.
Relatives urge uncle Fred to go to the doctor.
Uncle Fred says "I have no money to pay the damn doctor so I'm not going".
Two days later Uncle Fred dies from a massive heart attack.

Could I honestly come on here and say my uncle died because he couldn't afford medical care that would have saved his life?
Yes.

Hmmmm.
 
David. said:
Every region has hospitals operated by state and local government (public hospitals) as well as some nonprofit hospitals that provide a safety net for anyone who needs care, regardless of ability to pay.


You posted this, dipshit. Yea everyone isn't covered. Go ride around on a unicorn in your bubble googling things you aren't familiar with. It's producing a great result.
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So one has to be dying before they should get care? That is the gist of what I am reading from him.

You know, fuck preventative care, and other non-lethal ailments that can eventually lead to something dire.

Unbelievable.
 
Whittaker said:
Uncle Fred is having chest pains.
Relatives urge uncle Fred to go to the doctor.
Uncle Fred says "I have no money to pay the damn doctor so I'm not going".
Two days later Uncle Fred dies from a massive heart attack.

Could I honestly come on here and say my uncle died because he couldn't afford medical care that would have saved his life?
Yes.

Hmmmm.
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Is this an attempt at a cogent point?

If you're going to imply my dead friend "didn't try to see a doctor", pull your crystal ball out of your ass, because he did. He's dead. Your point is stupid.
 
David. said:
Every region has hospitals operated by state and local government (public hospitals) as well as some nonprofit hospitals that provide a safety net for anyone who needs care, regardless of ability to pay.


You posted this, dipshit. Yea everyone isn't covered. Go ride around on a unicorn in your bubble googling things you aren't familiar with. It's producing a great result.
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I didn't write it.
It is not my assertion.
It is simply information I posted, along with much more from https://www.caring.com/questions/cancer-treatment-with-no-insurance......to support my general point that there is help out there.

I support a universal system that covers everyone for necessary medical care.
 
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King Stannis said:
So one has to be dying before they should get care? That is the gist of what I am reading from him.

You know, fuck preventative care, and other non-lethal ailments that can eventually lead to something dire.

Unbelievable.
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Even if that's his point, it's wrong. It's not accurate. "free chemo for everyone", eh? Yea no one is doing that.

My friend was pissing in jugs, immobile, as he withered away, calling his church everyday to see how far down the list he was.

Hint: in the world of "cute earns charity", a 45 year old man with colon cancer gets fucking sandwiches and a cot. And a bible on tape.
 
Whittaker said:
I didn't write it.
It is not my assertion.
It is simply information I posted, along with much more from https://www.caring.com/questions/cancer-treatment-with-no-insurance......to support my general point that there is help out there.

I support a universal system that covers everyone for necessary medical care.
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Lol

So you post things to support your claims that you don't agree with when pressed?

"While it makes getting treatment more difficult, lack of insurance doesn't mean you can't get treated." well, my friend couldn't get treated. He's dead. So I don't know what to tell you. What you posted is wrong. And if it doesn't support your position, it's silly for you to post it to support your position, isn't it.

 
Whittaker said:
David I asked you to quote me.
You didn't. You quoted information that I posted(from the website https://www.caring.com/questions/cancer-treatment-with-no-insurance) to support my point that help is available.
If you can't quote me making a bad assertion, please stop saying it.
Surely you don't claim everything you link as you own personal assertions.
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If you're going to respond to me, tag or quote me, because that's how I know you actually want a response.

Furthermore, I have already addressed how stupid it is for you to post something to support your position if you don't agree with what you're posting. You understand that dont you? I would be fucking stupid, as would anyone, to post something I don't agree with in support of my position. Unless I was ridiculing or mocking it. You weren't. This seems like pretty obvious stuff.
 
David. said:
Lol

So you post things to support your claims that you don't agree with when pressed?

"While it makes getting treatment more difficult, lack of insurance doesn't mean you can't get treated." well, my friend couldn't get treated. He's dead. So I don't know what to tell you. What you posted is wrong. And if it doesn't support your position, it's silly for you to post it to support your position, isn't it.
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No. I don't claim everything in an informational link as my own personal assertion...and neither do you.
You've probably gone back and reviewed my posts.
If you don't wanna dispute something I've said, let's just drop it.
 
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