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If that's true, you should be disgusted with Obamacare.
If its not true, you should be disgusted with yourself.
No child in America should be denied life-saving medical care due lack of insurance or finances. And I've never heard a credible story of that happening in the past 40 years.
Is this like the 40 million starving Americans that can't be found?
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The issue is that no practical system is going to hand out limitless care to everyone. It's the whole "death panels" issue, coupled with the "experimental treatments" issue.
I feel badly for your friend's young cousin, but in terms of policy, what exactly was the issue that led to insurance company to refusing to pay? I ask that because there aren't lifetime limits, nor are there pre-existing condition exclusions. So why did the payments stop?
I don't know the specifics, but this touches upon what may be the core issue -- exactly what are we demanding from a health care system, and is it actually practical/affordable to demand it? The truth is that while "you cannot put a value on the life of a child", we actually have to do something similar to have a system that works.
On one end, people complain that they cannot afford the premiums or copays of their insurance. Other people complain because the system didn't spend the last penny on providing the best possible care for someone. In this country in particular, people want doctor choice, fast appointments, cutting edge care, every possible test run, and the newest, most cutting edge/experimental drugs there are. And they want it all cheaply.
We can't have it both ways.
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In all seriousness, how much true news value is there in rolling out a spokesperson every single day, and broadcasting the video of this unelected schlub answering a bunch of argumentative questions from carefully-coiffed journalists trying to get a sound bite? And that's what it basically is regardless of who is in office. I think the Supreme Court has it right in not televising oral arguments, and those aren't even daily.
That daily battle in the press room ends up generating more noise than substantive news, which is probably to the detriment of having an informed public.
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What about instances of Aids, cancer?
"First off, realize you're not alone; 45 million Americans have no health insurance. While it makes getting treatment more difficult, lack of insurance doesn't mean you can't get treated. But you'll need to be proactive about getting healthcare, since you won't have the safety net of an insurance company and primary care doctor overseeing your treatment. Keep this mantra in mind: Your job is to get better, and to do that you need to obtain the best healthcare you can get, using the resources you have.
The first thing you need to do is find out what hospitals and medical centers provide treatment to the uninsured in your area. Every region has hospitals operated by state and local government (public hospitals) as well as some nonprofit hospitals that provide a safety net for anyone who needs care, regardless of ability to pay.
Start by contacting your local health department (in the government pages of your phone book or on the Internet) to ask what public health services are offered in your community. But don't stop there; call your local hospital and ask to speak with a social worker. Ask for information about any "charity care" or "indigent care" programs. Hospital social workers are usually the most knowledgeable about sources of support in your community.
It's also important to research hospitals that are required to provide treatment under the Hill-Burton Hospital Program. Hospitals that receive construction funds from the federal government must provide some services to cancer patients who can't afford to pay for their care. Approximately 300 hospitals take part in this program. Call (800) 638-0742 to find the closest participating hospital.
In addition, the National Cancer Institute's Cancer Information Service can direct you to local programs as well. For more information, go to www.cancer.gov or call (800)-422-6237."
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From a 30 second web search.
St Judes Childrens Hospital also treats child cancer patients regardless of ability to pay.
I don't want to sound cynical but I am not surprised that suddenly, now that Trump is president, we are being told that children are dying/going to die/already dead/starving/homeless/etc because of mean right-wingers.
I'll say this...If you are rabidly anti-Trump, and you weren't posting about the poor children during the Obama presidency, I really can't take you seriously if you post about them now.
The first thing you need to do is find out what hospitals and medical centers provide treatment to the uninsured in your area. Every region has hospitals operated by state and local government (public hospitals) as well as some nonprofit hospitals that provide a safety net for anyone who needs care, regardless of ability to pay.
Start by contacting your local health department (in the government pages of your phone book or on the Internet) to ask what public health services are offered in your community. But don't stop there; call your local hospital and ask to speak with a social worker. Ask for information about any "charity care" or "indigent care" programs. Hospital social workers are usually the most knowledgeable about sources of support in your community.
It's also important to research hospitals that are required to provide treatment under the Hill-Burton Hospital Program. Hospitals that receive construction funds from the federal government must provide some services to cancer patients who can't afford to pay for their care. Approximately 300 hospitals take part in this program. Call (800) 638-0742 to find the closest participating hospital.
In addition, the National Cancer Institute's Cancer Information Service can direct you to local programs as well. For more information, go to www.cancer.gov or call (800)-422-6237."
^^^^^
From a 30 second web search.
St Judes Childrens Hospital also treats child cancer patients regardless of ability to pay.
I don't want to sound cynical but I am not surprised that suddenly, now that Trump is president, we are being told that children are dying/going to die/already dead/starving/homeless/etc because of mean right-wingers.
I'll say this...If you are rabidly anti-Trump, and you weren't posting about the poor children during the Obama presidency, I really can't take you seriously if you post about them now.
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I'm telling you flat out, my friend died because he couldn't afford chemo, and that if he could afford doctors visits, they would have caught it before it metastasized
He was Catholic, and resourceful, and no one was going to give him what he needed
I don't know what you are asking.
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People with these illnesses don't get the treatment necessary, they can't afford it, they do in fact die
And I know of people that needed surgeries, diabetes medicine, cancer, etc but had no insurance or money. They received the care they needed and the costs was forgiven.
So....what can I say?
"The Ryan White HIV/AIDS Program works with cities, states, and local community-based organizations. The Program provides primary medical care and essential support services to more than half a million people each year. Through the Program, people living with HIV who have no insurance or are underinsured can get the HIV medical care and other support services they need."
https://hab.hrsa.gov/get-care/get-hiv-care
https://hab.hrsa.gov/get-care/get-hiv-care
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Well, you can't say the argument youve been pushing bc it isn't accurate.
Real people really die. You don't get free chemo. My claim that ppl die, supported by evidence of my life experience and loss of my close friend, effectively refutes your claim that everyone actually does get treatment and they dont die.
I also doubt people with aids can find helping hands at the church of their choice
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You have multiple people telling you that you are flat out wrong. People who have lost friends or family. Who the fuck are you to tell them they are wrong?
But yet, you know better right? You have so much life experience I bet being poor, being hungry, not having healthcare to where you can outright dismiss verifiable, well known facts all in the name of your vindicating your political beliefs?
Just wait until it happens to you. You think you are so self-sufficient, so much better than people in need? If you are anything like most Trump supporters you are one lay-off away from disaster. Wait until it's your kid that is sick. Wait until you have nothing to eat. Will you be such a tough guy then? Will those bullshit talking points save your kid from dying?
Maybe, just maybe, you'll realize there is a real world out there apart from the Right-Wing echo chamber.
I agree our healthcare system is a mess. It was a mess before ObamaCare and its still a mess.
But this is a non-partisan thread so let's address the merits and shortcomings of all proposed solutions and compare them to what we currently have.
Saying "People will die under republican healthcare!" isn't constructive.
Give details. Compare & contrast with ObamaCare.
And I understand that many people want single payer universal care.
But neither party is advocating that. And California has tabled their attempt at it because it is currently unworkable and not affordable.
I'm just trying to get us away from the partisan slant.
Can we at least agree that any death that has already occurred has nothing to do with Trump or the current healthcare debate in Congress.
But this is a non-partisan thread so let's address the merits and shortcomings of all proposed solutions and compare them to what we currently have.
Saying "People will die under republican healthcare!" isn't constructive.
Give details. Compare & contrast with ObamaCare.
And I understand that many people want single payer universal care.
But neither party is advocating that. And California has tabled their attempt at it because it is currently unworkable and not affordable.
I'm just trying to get us away from the partisan slant.
Can we at least agree that any death that has already occurred has nothing to do with Trump or the current healthcare debate in Congress.