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Triplethreat said:
No. But what is the benefit of getting no game reps? There is none.
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I don't think anyone is saying he should get zero reps, during the season. Just don't think you throw him out in the fire.

He'll get reps in practice. NFL practices aren't like the NBA. They are far from meaningless.
 
MGMT said:
Do you mean game reps during the regular season? Perhaps a lack of game reps isn't good for him, but I can tell you giving him game reps for the sake of giving him game reps if he's a blocking liability sure as hell won't help the team during games either.

Further, if his blocking isn't developed yet, you can't just throw him out there strictly for passing downs because it'll add an element of predictability.
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No. Not as a blocker. As a receiving tight end, which he can play in the slot with an extra blocker anyways.

I just don't want to see his reps reduced because he hasn't caught the ball great in camp. I think you still need to give him adequate game reps to prepare him for the future.

I don't want to mortgage the development of our players for an extra win or two is what I'm trying to say.
 
Triplethreat said:
No. Not as a blocker. As a receiving tight end, which he can play in the slot with an extra blocker anyways.

I just don't want to see his reps reduced because he hasn't caught the ball great in camp. I think you still need to give him adequate game reps to prepare him for the future.

I don't want to mortgage the development of our players for an extra win or two is what I'm trying to say.
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That extra win or two may be the only win or two....

But no, I get the point, but all these guys are young. DeValve needs reps and he'll get them. So does Njoku.

These guys are going to play plenty.

I'm also of the mindset this coaching staff and front office must be guaranteed another season no matter what happens this season. They're the right guys. This takes time.
 
Triplethreat said:
No. Not as a blocker. As a receiving tight end, which he can play in the slot with an extra blocker anyways.

I just don't want to see his reps reduced because he hasn't caught the ball great in camp. I think you still need to give him adequate game reps to prepare him for the future.

I don't want to mortgage the development of our players for an extra win or two is what I'm trying to say.
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He should get the reps he deserves. If he's struggling to catch the ball, they're not going to send him out there and feed him. They're going to have him work on that in practice until he proves he can be a consistent receiving threat.

And no one is saying he should get zero game reps. Just that he should be penciled in as the starter unless he earns it, which he probably won't do in year one.

DeValve will likely be our starter come the actual season, and that's fine. It's like people forget that we drafted him in the fourth round last year. We didn't do that only to not use him. He's also a very good prospect in his own right. 97th percentile burst, 92nd percentile agility, and an 86th percentile catch radius.
 
Tight end is also a historically very slow position to break out. Njoku has a ton of physical talent, but as a TE you need to learn a lot of blocking assignments and how to run routes. Its like being an OL and WR all in one.

Devalve has more experience, as does Telfair. Telfair has been hurt a lot, but he has good hands and is a very good blocker. Devalve is almost Njoku like with his athletic ability. They all deserve reps and I suspect, with the running game, we will see all of them quite a bit.
 
thedarkness2332 said:
That extra win or two may be the only win or two....

But no, I get the point, but all these guys are young. DeValve needs reps and he'll get them. So does Njoku.

These guys are going to play plenty.

I'm also of the mindset this coaching staff and front office must be guaranteed another season no matter what happens this season. They're the right guys. This takes time.
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Precisely with the FO/coaching point.

They need time. They deserve the time. 5-7 years at least. Give us stability for once, it's not a two year process to build a winning NFL roster. Learn from past mistakes.

The things this front office had done could change the way transactions/draft pick value is viewed in the NFL forever.
 
Triplethreat said:
No. But what is the benefit of getting no game reps? There is none.



The natural talent alone should make him our starter out of the gate. In no way should a first round pick not be starting on a 1-15 football team.
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You're not making any sense.

Playing the worse player because of draft position is dumb.

I'm sorry to be blunt, but it is. Hue Jackson has a responsibility to his team to put the best guys out on the field.

If Njoku can't earn that, then you're making a terrible argument.
 
AZ_ said:
You're not making any sense.

Playing the worse player because of draft position is dumb.

I'm sorry to be blunt, but it is. Hue Jackson has a responsibility to his team to put the best guys out on the field.

If Njoku can't earn that, then you're making a terrible argument.
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I guess I see the point of earning the reps.

Seeing him at 3 on the depth chart makes me worried. He needs reps to develop. It's as simple as that.

I prefer to give him the most game reps possible to help that developmental curve happen faster. It's best to have Thim in film sessions after Sunday to see what he did wrong/what he needs to fix IMO.

Hue Jackson has the responsibility to do what's best for the football team. Whether that be now or for the future. You have to be able to see the overall big picture/goal as well.
 
Triplethreat said:
I guess I see the point of earning the reps.

Seeing him at 3 on the depth chart makes me worried. He needs reps to develop. It's as simple as that.

I prefer to give him the most game reps possible to help that developmental curve happen faster. It's best to have Thim in film sessions after Sunday to see what he did wrong/what he needs to fix IMO.

Hue Jackson has the responsibility to do what's best for the football team. Whether that be now or for the future. You have to be able to see the overall big picture/goal as well.
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It's a preseason week one depth chart. Hard to imagine this being static
 
Triplethreat said:
I guess I see the point of earning the reps.

Seeing him at 3 on the depth chart makes me worried. He needs reps to develop. It's as simple as that.

I prefer to give him the most game reps possible to help that developmental curve happen faster. It's best to have Thim in film sessions after Sunday to see what he did wrong/what he needs to fix IMO.

Hue Jackson has the responsibility to do what's best for the football team. Whether that be now or for the future. You have to be able to see the overall big picture/goal as well.
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What is best for the team will be playing the best player regardless of when the guy was taken in the draft. They have shown since this regime took over, it doesn't matter where you were drafted, it matters what you do on practice day and when you get opportunities. They aren't afraid to cut first round guys if they are playing poorly and don't work hard. I doubt they will do that with any of their recent picks, but it is likely WR Payton is getting cut (could be added to practice squad though). They are going for a playoff spot mentality to start the season and once they are out of contention you may see more of the developmental style of snaps, but to start the season without a doubt it is for the wins.
 
AZ_ said:
It's a preseason week one depth chart. Hard to imagine this being static
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You also want to keep the rookies hungry. You don't name them starters before the first pre-season game.

Keep them guessing, ensure they play hard and then name them starters before week one.
 
AZ_ said:
You're not making any sense.

Playing the worse player because of draft position is dumb.

I'm sorry to be blunt, but it is. Hue Jackson has a responsibility to his team to put the best guys out on the field.

If Njoku can't earn that, then you're making a terrible argument.
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And it's not as if first round picks don't bust all the time. Just because a guy is drafted high doesn't mean he just gets to start no matter what. If DeValve is better, he should get playing time.
 
Triplethreat said:
I guess I see the point of earning the reps.

Seeing him at 3 on the depth chart makes me worried. He needs reps to develop. It's as simple as that.

I prefer to give him the most game reps possible to help that developmental curve happen faster. It's best to have Thim in film sessions after Sunday to see what he did wrong/what he needs to fix IMO.

Hue Jackson has the responsibility to do what's best for the football team. Whether that be now or for the future. You have to be able to see the overall big picture/goal as well.
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It's two weeks into his first training camp as a 20 year old rookie.

Playing a position that will often have two TEs in the field at the same time and only three TEs on the 53 man roster.

Relax. Third on the depth chart at TE is just a totally different thing all together than being third on the depth chart at RG, Slot Receiver or MLB
 
AZ_ said:
It's a preseason week one depth chart. Hard to imagine this being static
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Exactly this.

Jackson has made it clear in several press conferences that all the positions are "fluid", at this point. I consider this depth chart to be meaningless and the only one of note will be week 1. It is the first preseason game and will more than likely be sloppy. All the coaches are doing is trying to give all the players a look in a game situation.

Also, it should be noted that only a handful of #1 positions on an NFL depth chart mean anything. With an insane amount of packages on both defense and offense, who is number #1 or #2 on a depth chart is not necessarily an indication of much. I would say this especially holds true in week 1 of the preseason.
 
Triplethreat said:
No. But what is the benefit of getting no game reps? There is none.


The natural talent alone should make him our starter out of the gate. In no way should a first round pick not be starting on a 1-15 football team.
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One of the reasons for not giving game reps to guys who aren't ready:
Evaluating the other players. How can you expect to get a good read on the QB's when you have a player out there who can both miss a blocking assignment and run the wrong route. Potentially even on the same play.

TE has a lot of shifting responsibilities so it takes some more time to learn.

And I don't think it's fair to say that his natural talent is so far ahead of DeValve that he should automatically be the #1. DeValve was a high SPARQ guy from what I recall who looked ahead of schedule last year. And Telfer's barely even playing the same position as the other two.
 
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