2018 Draft Prospects Thread

Lovin' me some Bryce Love.

An interesting storyline that i want to keep an eye on is how josh allen and baker mayfields careers go in the pros. PFF and the stats love mayfield. Traditional scouts love allens size. Not really all that browns related, but something i want to keep in mind.

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vam1993 said:

An interesting storyline that i want to keep an eye on is how josh allen and baker mayfields careers go in the pros. PFF and the stats love mayfield. Traditional scouts love allens size. Not really all that browns related, but something i want to keep in mind.

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as an OU fan, mayfield is a fantastic college QB, but he would require the perfect place to develop into an NFL QB. He reminds me of college russell wilson. Maybe he becomes something, but there is a reason wilson went in the 3rd round.

For that record cleveland is absolutely no the perfect place to develop a QB. Unless the browns find a QB whisperer.

vam1993 said:

An interesting storyline that i want to keep an eye on is how josh allen and baker mayfields careers go in the pros. PFF and the stats love mayfield. Traditional scouts love allens size. Not really all that browns related, but something i want to keep in mind.

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PFF is not a scouting service.

It's a formula/grading system to rank guys based on production and that's it. Mayfield is SUPER productive at the college level, thus PFF loves him.

Here's a look at the updated stocks of the draft's top quarterback prospects.


1. Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State
Stock Down

Rudolph was just OK against Baylor despite what his numbers indicate. I mean 459 yards on 31 attempts is absurd, yet it has kinda-sorta been par for the course for the Oklahoma State quarterback this season. The ripped sideline throws and perfectly placed deep shots were there, but a handful of his downfield throws were underthrown, and there were wobbly tosses over the middle.

There was a pass into the end zone between the numbers that should have been intercepted. It seemed like Rudolph didn't see the middle safety. I've seen better performances from him in his illustrious collegiate career.

2. Josh Rosen, UCLA
Stock Down


Given Rudolph's down afternoon, Rosen could've narrowed the gap in the quarterback rankings. Yeah, that didn't happen. All three of his interceptions were of the ugly variety. They were late and off target. The UCLA juinor was pressured often and had issues eluding that pressure in the pocket to spread the ball all over the field like he normally does.

Rosen is put in some precarious situations due to his defense, yet he's supposed to be the player to mask flaws. While he's done that to a certain degree this season, he hurt the Bruins against the Wildcats.

3. Sam Darnold, USC
Stock Down

The first half for Darnold wasn't impressive by any stretch of the imagination, as he sailed passes over his receiver's heads, threw and interception and should have thrown another that was dropped by a Utah defender. In the second half, Darnold settled down a bit, yet the myriad "wow" throws we saw in 2016 just weren't there. He did a fair amount on quick inside slants, and I did like his accuracy on the run as well as when plays broke down.

Darnold is an above-average athlete for the quarterback position, and he showcases that often when moving away from pressure. Against the Utes he had a quality scramble for a first down that featured open-field acceleration. Not an absolutely horrid night for Darnold. Not tremendous though. It really lacked sound decisions and passes from within the original structure of the play.

4. Lamar Jackson, Louisville
Stock Up (slightly)

Well into the fourth quarter against Boston College, Jackson hadn't reached double-digit completions. Then, when Louisville went down 35-21, Jackson took over. He had a 40-yard touchdown pass on a play in which he looked left, then fired the football to the front right pylon from the pocket.

He had two rushing scores after that. He clearly didn't see the underneath linebacker on his interception, but other than that, Jackson only had a few poor throws on the afternoon, and he continued the display of awesome pocket poise he's repeatedly shown all season.


5. Ryan Finley, NC State
Stock Up

Finley's interception-less streak has reached 313 passes. That pops. And he's stretching the field a reasonable amount of times per game. He moves well, has a strong arm and has NFL size. Finley isn't flashy. Doesn't matter to me though. Thus far in 2017, Finley's gotten it done at every level of the field as a passer, and he's done most of his work from the pocket. He's currently completing over 69 percent of his passes at 7.94 yards per attempt with 11 touchdowns.

All season, Finley has: repeatedly checked two or three of his options across the entire field from the pocket; made assertive, accurate passes to all levels of the field; and even displayed some scrambling ability. Right when the announcers were calling for some deep passes against Louisville, Finley delivered. There's plenty to like about his game, and his strengths translate to the NFL level.

Honorable Mention: Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
Mayfield was Mayfield in a thrilling Red River rivalry game. He improvised behind a lot and found open receivers down the field often. His long touchdown throw put his arm strength on display, and he certainly escaped a variety of Texas pass-rushers in Dallas. The Longhorns' secondary was iffy at best, and many Sooners wideouts created plenty of yards after the catch. Mayfield is undersized and is reminiscent of Johnny Manziel. He's pieced together quite the 2017 campaign thus far.




UPDATED MOCK DRAFT AFTER WEEKENDS GAMES:

1. Cleveland Browns: Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA


2. San Francisco 49ers: Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State

3. Chicago Bears: Derwin James, S, Florida State

4. New York Giants: Sam Darnold, QB, USC

5. Los Angeles Chargers: Minkah Fitzpatrick, CB/S, Alabama

6. Miami Dolphins: Arden Key, DE, LSU

7. New York Jets: Connor Williams, OT, Texas

8. Arizona Cardinals: Orlando Brown, OT, Oklahoma

9. Indianapolis Colts: Austin Bryant, DE, Clemson

10. Jacksonville Jaguars: Christian Kirk, WR, Texas A&M

11. Cincinnati Bengals: Quenton Nelson, OG, Notre Dame

12. Buffalo Bills: Tarvarus McFadden, CB, Florida State

13. Baltimore Ravens: James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State

14. Washington Redskins: Christian Wilkins, DL, Clemson

15. New Orleans Saints: Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State

16. Los Angeles Rams: Martinas Rankin, OT, Mississippi State

17. Tennessee Titans: Bradley Chubb, DE, N.C. State

18. Oakland Raiders: Billy Price, G/C, Ohio State

19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Derrius Guice, RB, LSU

20. Cleveland Browns (from HOU): Jaire Alexander, CB, Louisville

I want Derwin James. Bad.

I think Josh Rosen is the right call right now. But I think Jackson is close.

I wish Rosen was more mobile. I think the Rosen type QBs dont do well in the NFL anymore, given the emphasis on pass rush. But his arm talent is incredible, think more accurate Kizer. And he is fairly decent at moving in the pocket.

I know I said earlier that I dont want Rosen. Recent development have me firmly in "QB OR NOTHING" camp this next draft.

CBBI said:

PFF is not a scouting service.

It's a formula/grading system to rank guys based on production and that's it. Mayfield is SUPER productive at the college level, thus PFF loves him.

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I dont think the browns should draft either one of them, I just think itll be an interesting dichotomy to follow between allen and mayfield.



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Los216 said:

I want Derwin James. Bad.

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Would be so nice to have a player who is actually good at playing the deep safety and forcing this stupid coaching staff to put Jabrill's ass in the box where he belongs.

But...we need a QB. Bad. If Kizer can't show improvement over the course of the season...it would be hard to pass on a QB.

Or, maybe take James and then trade up for one of the top QBs? That's something I could get behind.

Edit: Yeah, that is what I'm set on right now. James and a trade up for a QB. This trading down for mediocre players fuckery needs to stop. We have the ammo, we need to trade UP and draft some goddamn elite talent.

RG said:

Would be so nice to have a player who is actually good at playing the deep safety and forcing this stupid coaching staff to put Jabrill's ass in the box where he belongs.

But...we need a QB. Bad. If Kizer can't show improvement over the course of the season...it would be hard to pass on a QB.

Or, maybe take James and then trade up for one of the top QBs? That's something I could get behind.

Edit: Yeah, that is what I'm set on right now. James and a trade up for a QB. This trading down for mediocre players fuckery needs to stop. We have the ammo, we need to trade UP and draft some goddamn elite talent.

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I think the people complaining about us piling up picks are dismissing us trading up for elite talent. We did it to get Njoku. Stay at the top of the draft and take BPA (preferably Derwin James) trade up from the Houston pick if there's another elite talent you want but think you might miss out on. Otherwise stay there and either take BPA or accept the best trade offer.

I'm sorry to say this, but the Browns have put themselves in a position where they cannot use a Top 3 pick on a position that isn't QB.

Just can't do it.

Luckily for them, I think there will be at least one and hopefully two quarterbacks worthy of a top 3 pick.

CBBI said:

I'm sorry to say this, but the Browns have put themselves in a position where they cannot use a Top 3 pick on a position that isn't QB.

Just can't do it.

Luckily for them, I think there will be at least one and hopefully two quarterbacks worthy of a top 3 pick.

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I don't think this is completely true. Right now this upcoming QB class is a log jam There's no real gap between the top three guys Jackson, Rosen, Darnold in my eyes. With an extra 1st rounder and the seconds we can stay in the top 3 and pick Derwin James and trade up for a QB?

Now there will be other teams picking high who need QB's but the difference between the best QB in this class and the 3rd and 4th best QB is not large. Nobody is better positioned to take BPA and trade up for a QB than us. Unless one of these QB's really separates himself from the pack there's no need to pass on a player like James for a QB who isn't even the consensus best QB. Just like this past draft.

Los216 said:

I don't think this is completely true. Right now this upcoming QB class is a log jam There's no real gap between the top three guys Jackson, Rosen, Darnold in my eyes. With an extra 1st rounder and the seconds we can stay in the top 3 and pick Derwin James and trade up for a QB?

Now there will be other teams picking high who need QB's but the difference between the best QB in this class and the 3rd and 4th best QB is not large. Nobody is better positioned to take BPA and trade up for a QB than us. Unless one of these QB's really separates himself from the pack there's no need to pass on a player like James for a QB who isn't even the consensus best QB. Just like this past draft.

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No.

You can't run the risk of being shutout from the best QB at this point. If you pick James at 1, then the 49ers take Darnold 2 and the Giants take Rosen 3, then what? You're trading up for the 3rd or 4th best guy? To hell with that.

Normally I would agree with you, but the Browns are going to roll into the 2018 draft something like 5-48 in their last 53 games with the single worst QB situation in all of sports. Circumstances have changed. For all intents and purposes, the Browns have "punted" on two consecutive years at the QB position. If this current regime is in charge, there's no possible chance they could do it a third time and survive.

And if it's a new regime, they're gonna want their guy to build around.

CBBI said:

No.

You can't run the risk of being shutout from the best QB at this point. If you pick James at 1, then the 49ers take Darnold 2 and the Giants take Rosen 3, then what? You're trading up for the 3rd or 4th best guy? To hell with that.

Normally I would agree with you, but the Browns are going to roll into the 2018 draft something like 5-48 in their last 53 games with the single worst QB situation in all of sports. Circumstances have changed. For all intents and purposes, the Browns have "punted" on two consecutive years at the QB position. If this current regime is in charge, there's no possible chance they could do it a third time and survive.

And if it's a new regime, they're gonna want their guy to build around.

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I would agree with you if there was a guy at the top that we need to have or risk the chance of losing out on in a trade up. There is no consensus QB that we run the risk of not being able to trade up for if we pass on him. It would be different if Rosen was the no brainer top guy. Same with Jackson and Darnold. They just aren't. You're not picking any of them that high to sit them and the only way you take any of them with that first draft pick is if they won't be there for a trade up. If things continue going the way they have this year for the three of them then I expect it to play out that way. There won't be enough separation between the three of them.

I think the Browns should say fuck it all and draft both Rosen AND Mayfield.

Rosen/Mayfield/Kizer MORTAL KOMBAT STYLE BATTLE TO THE DEATH FOR THE STARTING QB SPOT. (And Garrappolo)