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The Transgender Issue

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The Human Q-Tip said:
The core issue is the redefinition of "gender" to "gender roles". That's what has really happened.
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Theres a convenient redefinition of words and situations that consistently undermines science and fact. Lots of redefinition of truth.

Eta: Speak of the devil, google just redefined "fascist" to exclusively be a right wing concept.

This is incredible.
 
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The Human Q-Tip said:
I don't think that is actually correct. Someone may argue that is possible, but they'd be arguing that point solely for the purpose of trying to validate the independent concept of "gender identity." But if you actually look at the definitions you used previously in this thread, there wouldn't be any basis to claim a female gender identity if a person had both male genitalia and a preference for male gender roles. Give me a bit, and I'll find the post....

Okay, here it is. We were having a discussion based off the Wikipedia definition, which you specifically endorsed. If you look at the back and forth, you'll see the point:.
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Q, I might be missing something here, but the definition we agreed upon, the Wiki definition, doesn't seem to support what you state in the bolded.

For clarity:

"Gender is the range of characteristics pertaining to, and differentiating between, masculinity and femininity. Depending on the context, these characteristics may include biological sex (i.e. the state of being male, female or an intersex variation which may complicate sex assignment), sex-based social structures (including gender roles and other social roles), or gender identity.

Here it states that, gender may include "biological sex," gender roles, or gender identity.

I agree with that.

I'm not sure how this definition prevents a person from having a female gender identity, male genitalia, and also prefer male gender roles. In fact, I know of several cases where the reverse was true; and a person had a male gender identity, female genitalia, and preferred female gender roles.

I think the core difference here is that preference for gender role is societal, it's not biological; whereas gender identity and genitalia are; one being mental (like orientation), the other physical. I could be wrong, but I would think people can change their preferred gender role over time (see: Caitlyn Jenner)..
 
DJTJ said:
A family friend (the trans female) took her (the ten year old) into the bathroom. Thanks for playing.
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So a dude wearing a dress, with some plastic surgery and some hormone treatments, took a ten year old girl into the bathroom?
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
So a dude wearing a dress, with some plastic surgery and some hormone treatments, took a ten year old girl into the bathroom?
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You mean a trans female?

It's hysterical that this is your assumption, though. Article makes no mention of a dress, of surgery, or of hormone treatments.
 
DJTJ said:
You mean a trans female?

It's hysterical that this is your assumption, though. Article makes no mention of a dress, of surgery, or of hormone treatments.
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Okay, so some dude with a beard and wearing a wife beater, who claimed to be a woman, took a ten year old girl into the bathroom?
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
Okay, so some dude with a beard and wearing a wife beater, who claimed to be a woman, took a ten year old girl into the bathroom?
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Hysterical how far you have to reach to deny all evidence presented to you, on every topic, that challenges your world views.
 
I'm not sure how I feel about transgenders anymore. I still think it's bizarre and I don't understand why they want to do it. I also do not believe that children should be allowed to do it because they're just children. But if an adult wants to go and do this then whatever, if it doesn't affect me then be my guest.
 
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