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Sir'Dom Pointer said:
Once IT comes back how do you see Lue intergrate both Wade/Rose/TT in a lineup? staggering the minutes is going to be a challenge, and one of them is going to play very few minutes.. let's hope it isn't Rose, but he is the easier target.
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Its going to be a real problem, you can't have Rose and Wade on the court at the same time and be an effective unit unless LeBron goes god mode and masks all of the weakness of that lineup (which will never work against GS), someones ego will take a hit because if Rose plays well can you really take his minutes away as the secondary playmaker?

Its just not ideal, too many guys that can't shoot and are sub-par defenders on the 2nd unit, I guess the one good thing about the playoffs is the short rotations, imo Lue will just have to stagger IT's and LeBrons minutes that at least one of them is on the court at all times, all we need to do is find one lineup that doesn't self destruct when LeBron sits for 3 minutes and stick with that.
 
K1rieIrving>AllOtherPG's said:
Its going to be a real problem, you can't have Rose and Wade on the court at the same time and be an effective unit unless LeBron goes god mode and masks all of the weakness of that lineup (which will never work against GS), someones ego will take a hit because if Rose plays well can you really take his minutes away as the secondary playmaker?

Its just not ideal, too many guys that can't shoot and are sub-par defenders on the 2nd unit, I guess the one good thing about the playoffs is the short rotations, imo Lue will just have to stagger IT's and LeBrons minutes that at least one of them is on the court at all times, all we need to do is find one lineup that doesn't self destruct when LeBron sits for 3 minutes and stick with that.
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We really don't need so many ball handlers with IT and Lebron. Biggest difference between IT and Kyrie is that IT can lead any unit he plays with so staggering Brons and ITs minutes is much more effective and easier.

In the playoffs, Cavs could have subbed out IT early and ran our big lineup of Lebron/JR/Korver/Crowder/TT for example.. you can mix and match endlessly, but historically Lebron surrounded by big athletic players that can shoot has been the best.
Once Lebron needs a breather, you sub in IT in place of Lebron.. basically a plug and play lineup for IT. We don't need either Rose or Wade in the playoffs other than spot minutes. I think Rose can be effective as opposed to Wade though.

Too many players that have similar skillset is a headache more than anything. We have so many ball handlers that expect to play while none of them gives us the best option when it counts. Do you really think it's a good problem to have? I don't.

We already have a bench lineup that doesn't self destruct.. we all know what it is, but there are other considerations for the coaching staff.


Where do you see Wade in a few weeks? how do you think he helps us?
 
Sir'Dom Pointer said:
Wade has been by far our worst player.

It's remarkable that he has a WS of -0.130 in two wins. This just shows you how bad he has been and how poorly he fits. It's like we give the other player almost a star player to play for their team while we play with 4 players on the court.

Both Wade and Rose can't shoot, but atleast Rose has traits that no one on our rosterh has. We still don't use him right, but everytime he got a proper screen he got to the basket with ease.. he also cuts to the basket to spots that he is more effective in. He doesn't just stand at the 3pt line whether it's a good thing or not, he shows effort. He also has a WS/48 of 0.170 even when he doesn't play to his full potential.

Wade Otoh has zero off-ball movement and doesn't do one thing that we need at the moment. Looking at him and I can't see how he isn't frustrated with his role either.. if not now, then properly later on. That sucks.

We even lose the opportunity to develop our rookies alongside Lebron. I would have been very much fine with it if it was for someone who atleast impacts the team positively.

I know it's only been 2 games, but it's very hard to see how bad he fits.. if he just missed shots then sure, if he was just bad defensively then sure, but he can't get to any spots on the floor other than a low efficiency mid range shot and he makes it very hard for Lebron and our guys to get good looks.

Gonna pray to PED god that he finds his youth again.
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He's paying the price for not expanding his repertoire all these years. To us, he's insurance for the not so unlikely possibility that Rose goes down. Still no clue why people thought he'd make us stacked. No stacked team should alter its offense to accommodate Wade's shot selection. Doesnt even seem to know how to play at a quick tempo anymore. He needs to adapt fast. Still, fingers crossed he shows up in the playoffs like he's known to do
 
While I agree Wade has not been a great fit yet, we have to give it time, plus even Wade probably does not want to play 25+ mins for 82 games, I see him missing time and needing mins reduces for him to be his best.
 
Sir'Dom Pointer said:
Wade has been by far our worst player.

It's remarkable that he has a WS of -0.130 in two wins. This just shows you how bad he has been and how poorly he fits. It's like we give the other player almost a star player to play for their team while we play with 4 players on the court.

Both Wade and Rose can't shoot, but atleast Rose has traits that no one on our rosterh has. We still don't use him right, but everytime he got a proper screen he got to the basket with ease.. he also cuts to the basket to spots that he is more effective in. He doesn't just stand at the 3pt line whether it's a good thing or not, he shows effort. He also has a WS/48 of 0.170 even when he doesn't play to his full potential.

Wade Otoh has zero off-ball movement and doesn't do one thing that we need at the moment. Looking at him and I can't see how he isn't frustrated with his role either.. if not now, then properly later on. That sucks.

We even lose the opportunity to develop our rookies alongside Lebron. I would have been very much fine with it if it was for someone who atleast impacts the team positively.

I know it's only been 2 games, but it's very hard to see how bad he fits.. if he just missed shots then sure, if he was just bad defensively then sure, but he can't get to any spots on the floor other than a low efficiency mid range shot and he makes it very hard for Lebron and our guys to get good looks.

Gonna pray to PED god that he finds his youth again.
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and the fact lue saw all this in practice and still immediately inserted him into the starting lineup is why i'm not at all optimistic about his ability to optimize the rotations properly. they'll have to once again win despite Lue if they manage to pull off the impossible this year
 
Burt Macklin said:
Wade should play 10 minutes at most, situational basketball, especially when Thomas comes back, but that obviously won't happen.
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Lue will have to move him to the bench at some point. It's going to become too obvious (might be already) that his skills have significantly eroded.
This could be Wades last year. He looks old, slow and has no lift.
 
FritzLn said:
and the fact lue saw all this in practice and still immediately inserted him into the starting lineup is why i'm not at all optimistic about his ability to optimize the rotations properly. they'll have to once again win despite Lue if they manage to pull off the impossible this year
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It is possible that Wade starting was something the FO pushed on Lue to placate LBJ and Wade. LBJ clearly wanted him here, and a guy with a pedigree like Wade's gets the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.

So, I wouldn't assume Lue believes that is his best starting lineup. He may be jumping through the hoops necessary to demonstrate to both LBJ and Wade that Wade should not be starting.

In other words, he's letting it fail on the court so that when he makes the decision to switch it up, there won't be resistance or resentment.

I'm not saying that is what is going on - I'm just saying that it may be what is going on.
 
FritzLn said:
and the fact lue saw all this in practice and still immediately inserted him into the starting lineup is why i'm not at all optimistic about his ability to optimize the rotations properly. they'll have to once again win despite Lue if they manage to pull off the impossible this year
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Blaming Lue for Wade starting is just unfair. Left to him, Wade would be leading the 2nd unit
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
It is possible that Wade starting was something the FO pushed on Lue to placate LBJ and Wade. LBJ clearly wanted him here, and a guy with a pedigree like Wade's gets the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.

So, I wouldn't assume Lue believes that is his best starting lineup. He may be jumping through the hoops necessary to demonstrate to both LBJ and Wade that Wade should not be starting.

In other words, he's letting it fail on the court so that when he makes the decision to switch it up, there won't be resistance or resentment.

I'm not saying that is what is going on - I'm just saying that it may be what is going on.
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I think Lue and the front office are willing to roll with a Wade and Rose backcourt because they know it temporary. Rose knows he will go to the 2nd unit when IT get healthy.

I assume they had to promised both Rose and Wade starting jobs to get them to sign. They have to give it a good try to not piss either of them off. I assume one of them will ask to come off the bench before Lue will have to ask them to do it. I bet it will be Wade just because LBJ and him will have conversations to figure out how to smooth out the rotations.
 
fan0283 said:
Blaming Lue for Wade starting is just unfair. Left to him, Wade would be leading the 2nd unit
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Let’s get this out of the way. Lue is the head coach. It IS left up to him. He quite literally could go to Wade and say “You’re coming off the bench because that is unequivocally better for this team”. If Lue cannot control who the starters are on his own team he should resign tomorrow.
 
shoes22 said:
Let’s get this out of the way. Lue is the head coach. It IS left up to him. He quite literally could go to Wade and say “You’re coming off the bench because that is unequivocally better for this team”. If Lue cannot control who the starters are on his own team he should resign tomorrow.
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Then he should because that has to be the case.
 
I think everyone might be overreacting just a bit about Wade.

He'll be a better fit with the starters once Thomas is back at point. And until then, he'll likely settle into a 25-minute role and we'll find ways to get JR or Korver onto the court for quite a few of those minutes to add long-range shooting.
 
We've seen Wade look great leading the 2nd unit....lets not act like he's done yet. Right now he's a 35 year old player that had a short off season and is adjusting to a new team and trying to find a new role.

Manu's goes through bad spurts on the Spurs. It happens. However, when he's on..watch out.
 
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