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natedagg said:
WTF is a speed receiver if Gordon runs a 4.35? What you mean is a speed guy that isn't that good, meaning he won't need to be drafted that high. That amounts to a guy like Ricardo (4.43) Louis. Coleman also ran a 4.37.

We are plenty fast enough. We need a guy to get them the ball and a coach to make them better.
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Semantics, but i think of speed receivers as small shifty guys like Travis Benjamin types. Great for slot, which i still think Coleman should try, but not typically first round material.

But you are right, Gordon is fast, but he is also big with great hands. He is an all around receiver, not just a speed guy.
 
Soda said:
Considering you weren't a member here when Kyle was our coordinator, who called you crazy? :detective:
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Jack Brickman said:
Yeah. My take on it is that some coaching hires seem good on paper, but you can never truly know when someone hits the tipping point and becomes past their prime. Some guys are capable of adjusting their coaching philosophies over time to stay relevant and stick around to old age. Some guys are incapable of adjusting and get phased out. I think Hue, and maybe Williams as well, falls into that latter group.

I also think Hue is a member of the Mike Brown "Great in the Interview Room" club. He's a likable guy and he interviews well, so he sticks around.
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Wrong, Hue Jackson is a great OC. He's not a head coach, much like Romeo was a great D.C. Mike brown is a good assistant coach.


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Lee said:
Gordon is fast, but is not a speed receiver per sey, he is a big receiver who happens to be fast like a Julio Jones.

And I agree, but not sure you draft your speed guy in the first round. Speed guys can be found later, but I am not hating the coleman pick at this point, just not loving it.
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The thing with Coleman is that, while he's smaller and fast, he's not a pure deep threat speed guy. He's a lot more versatile than that, which is why he was a first round pick. He's elite in basically every metric, either close to or above the 90th percentile in the 40, burst score, catch radius, SPARQ-X score, college dominator rating, and college YPR. He's more comparable to a guy like Beckham than a pure deep threat like Ted Ginn (and Coleman actually ran a slightly faster 40 than Ginn, by the way) who doesn't really give you anything else other than deep routes and punt returns.
 
Jack Brickman said:
The thing with Coleman is that, while he's smaller and fast, he's not a pure deep threat speed guy. He's a lot more versatile than that, which is why he was a first round pick. He's elite in basically every metric, either close to or above the 90th percentile in the 40, burst score, catch radius, SPARQ-X score, college dominator rating, and college YPR. He's more comparable to a guy like Beckham than a pure deep threat like Ted Ginn (and Coleman actually ran a slightly faster 40 than Ginn, by the way) who doesn't really give you anything else other than deep routes and punt returns.
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I get it, and i dont hate Coleman, just not in love with him as a prospect.
 
Lee said:
I get it, and i dont hate Coleman, just not in love with him as a prospect.
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I love him as a prospect, but have been concerned with his injuries. I think that, if he can stay healthy next year, he and Josh Doctson are the two prime year three breakout guys. Funchess was that guy this year and he broke out in a big way.

I know people complained about Coleman's goose egg on Sunday, but I think the issue there is that Kizer is a single-read QB and he was looking for Gordon first on most plays Sunday. Get a QB who can actually go through his progressions and having a Gordon/Coleman combo will be a lot more valuable. We already saw how Coleman picked apart the Jags' secondary with ease, and they have probably the best secondary in the league right now. Dude can play. The question is if we can find a QB who can consistently get him the ball and not horribly over or under-throw him and if he can go a full season and stay reasonably healthy the entire time.
 
Yes, I'd like to see Coleman with an actual NFL QB, be that Rosen (who I'm told is a guy who could start day one?) or a veteran that we pick up.

As for Gordon. Man, watching him play. Brought back memories. His talent is intoxicating. I want him to stick around. He makes it look so easy. Maybe it's because we have had so few guys on that level (if any) at any position since 1999, but holy cow can that man play. If he had his shit together and played with even decent quarterbacks, I don't think it's ridiculous to think he could have been a Hall of Famer. At this point, I think we'll all settle for him staying sober and on the field, which is in everyone's best interest including his own.
 
natedagg said:
The more that I think about it, the more I think that we should just completely overpay for Cousins. I mean sell out for him, Gregg Williams 0 blitz style. Hire whoever-the-fuck he wants for a coach, pay that man handsomely, give Cousins the FAT upfront money, and watch us make the playoffs. We need a monumental upgrade in coaching and QB and we're going to the playoffs.

I am convinced that our OL is good enough, our WR (with JG and Coleman, along with X Johnson and TE Njoku) are for good enough, our backs kinda suck but just pick the best FA blocking RB (is Hyde a good blocker) and roll with it.

This defense is improving, still young and full of mistakes, but will continue to get better. It's hard to tell how good they are when we get down and the other team just has to run the ball so we know what's coming and magically we are a good run defense...

We still would have the draft capital to address whatever you smarts think team needs are. I opt for secondary and secondary, moving Peppers up near the LOS, where I would play him as a cover linebacker, then I am getting Minkah and Ward.

Cousins is a proven low-risk player from an on and off the field standpoint, and he's playing with NOTHING right now in Washington, besides Doctson, given that their team is so injured. Their OL is swiss cheese.
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Dagg you crazy coot I love how in the middle of your plan you just throw in parentheses is Hyde a good blocker. Made me laugh

From all of my tank study I've watched a ton of 9ers games. Hyde is an excellent blocker
 
sportscoach said:
People said I was crazy when i said we should offer our second round pick for Cousins when Kyle Shanahan was our coordinator...

We offered a fourth...
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45th post you've said this coach

Last year I asked you to rank the QBs in the draft and you refused. I gave you a chance to out your excellent scouting on record and you passed. I think you just like saying things im hindsight to make you look better

Because so far the only QBs ON RECORD you've hitched your wagon to are Osweiler, McCarron, and Josh Allen. And that's.... wew.

So of course you hit on every single QB on some other board but then you either refuse to evaluate the QBs before the draft when asked here or pimp up the likes of Osweiler

Fake news
 
The Wizard of Moz said:
45th post you've said this coach

Last year I asked you to rank the QBs in the draft and you refused. I gave you a chance to out your excellent scouting on record and you passed. I think you just like saying things im hindsight to make you look better

Because so far the only QBs ON RECORD you've hitched your wagon to are Osweiler, McCarron, and Josh Allen. And that's.... wew.

So of course you hit on every single QB on some other board but then you either refuse to evaluate the QBs before the draft when asked here or pimp up the likes of Osweiler

Fake news
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You also did ask every QB and I eventually did make a simple evaluations but you said that wasn’t enough. I didn’t really care for anyone in the class anyways either. I didn’t like Kizer or Watson. Trubisky was the one I liked the most, but he didn’t feel like a top 5 pick to me.

I have been doing people in this class actually not just Allen, I just have my hunch Allen will actually end up being a good QB and show up like Wentz has in due time. Similar mold of a player body wise and college system wise.
 
Soda said:
Considering you weren't a member here when Kyle was our coordinator, who called you crazy? :detective:
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Sportscoach is regularly called crazy in real everyday life.
 
Bye bye Kenny Britt!
 
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