The General Terrorist Rampage Thread

gourimoko said:

Here's something many people don't realize about these kinds of stories (and this isn't about the Daily Wire -- the fucking NYT is guilty of this too). But this is one of those situations that is more complicated than it may initially appear from the sensationalist press..

So long store short; Jameson was honey-potted.

That is to say, the FBI as informed, likely by third party big data firms (which the FBI represents as "informants" or "CHS"), looks at people's social media accounts and profiles them. One such profile that is useful to the FBI is Islamist radicalization. Jameson had "liked" a bunch of things on Facebook that related to ISIS, and this was picked up by the FBI's "informant" source.

The source then invites or encourages the target to commit an oath of allegiance and ultimately to engage in a specific act of terrorism.

With Jameson, the FBI and their "informant" approached Jameson, and honepotted him, representing themselves as ISIS. Jameson then agreed to fight for the cause and indicated he wanted to go to Syria. They instead told him they wanted him to do something there first; and after several days he came up with a scheme to run people down at Pier 39 and shoot folks in the process, all part of a suicide attack.

They (the FBI) asked him what he needed, and he told them an M-16 and some components to build explosives (from the old Anarchist Cookbook).

The FBI didn't provide him with anything, but instead told him to do it with his earnings and he went and bought a .22 caliber rifle. I believe he also was found with a 9mm and some fireworks as well.

However, the guy ended up writing a suicide note only to then contact "ISIS" / the FBI and tell them "I can't do this." They effectively asked him if he was sure and he apologetically told his terrorist handlers he couldn't go through with it.

The FBI then swooped in and arrested him.

.... Now ... that is remarkable different than the headline:

"California Law Enforcement Stops Major Terrorist Attack At Pier 39 From Happening

The reality is that this was a likely suicidal, deranged man; who was very likely dangerous to himself or others -- however, not someone who had initiated or planned a terrorist attack with ISIS on his own as some lone wolf.

To represent this as that would be fear-mongering. And, unsurprisingly, this story like MANY others (regardless of outlet or political leaning) engage in this kind of disingenuous news reporting.

I'm glad this guy is off the streets and he should be committed to a mental institution certainly; but calling this a thwarted terrorist attack is some Fahrenheit 451 kinda shit.

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That's fascinating. How often does it go down like this, and what's the point of the FBI doing it?

MediumBaller said:

That's fascinating. How often does it go down like this, and what's the point of the FBI doing it?

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Man, all the time...

Ask yourself this.. which is more newsworthy, some lunatic getting honeypotted by the FBI, or the FBI profiling and scouring people based on their social media patterns?

And the point of the FBI doing this? Well, that depends. From the FBI's perspective, I'm sure the argument is that they are taking dangerous people off the streets, and frankly I agree. But was this guy a "terrorist?" No, of course not. Was he a "would-be terrorist," sure.. but what the fuck does that mean? See what I'm saying?

They profiled him, then played on his state of mind by representing whom he felt was a savior to his problems; that being ISIS. But when it really came down to executing the plan, he backed out and apologized.. reality set in, and he couldn't go through with it.

Now, did he conspire with ISIS? No, he conspired with the FBI.
Did he plot to kill people? Yes, probably.. How far he got towards implementing that plan, we don't know. Would he ever have actualized that plan? We don't know.

But he's going to go to jail -- for a long time -- for being a terrorist.

And I'm not saying this guy should be on the loose, but, what I am saying is that the media is complicit in a lie.

gourimoko said:

Here's something many people don't realize about these kinds of stories (and this isn't about the Daily Wire -- the fucking NYT is guilty of this too). But this is one of those situations that is more complicated than it may initially appear from the sensationalist press..

So long store short; Jameson was honey-potted.

That is to say, the FBI as informed, likely by third party big data firms (which the FBI represents as "informants" or "CHS"), looks at people's social media accounts and profiles them. One such profile that is useful to the FBI is Islamist radicalization. Jameson had "liked" a bunch of things on Facebook that related to ISIS, and this was picked up by the FBI's "informant" source.

The source then invites or encourages the target to commit an oath of allegiance and ultimately to engage in a specific act of terrorism.

With Jameson, the FBI and their "informant" approached Jameson, and honepotted him, representing themselves as ISIS. Jameson then agreed to fight for the cause and indicated he wanted to go to Syria. They instead told him they wanted him to do something there first; and after several days he came up with a scheme to run people down at Pier 39 and shoot folks in the process, all part of a suicide attack.

They (the FBI) asked him what he needed, and he told them an M-16 and some components to build explosives (from the old Anarchist Cookbook).

The FBI didn't provide him with anything, but instead told him to do it with his earnings and he went and bought a .22 caliber rifle. I believe he also was found with a 9mm and some fireworks as well.

However, the guy ended up writing a suicide note only to then contact "ISIS" / the FBI and tell them "I can't do this." They effectively asked him if he was sure and he apologetically told his terrorist handlers he couldn't go through with it.

The FBI then swooped in and arrested him.

.... Now ... that is remarkable different than the headline:

"California Law Enforcement Stops Major Terrorist Attack At Pier 39 From Happening

The reality is that this was a likely suicidal, deranged man; who was very likely dangerous to himself or others -- however, not someone who had initiated or planned a terrorist attack with ISIS on his own as some lone wolf.

To represent this as that would be fear-mongering. And, unsurprisingly, this story like MANY others (regardless of outlet or political leaning) engage in this kind of disingenuous news reporting.

I'm glad this guy is off the streets and he should be committed to a mental institution certainly; but calling this a thwarted terrorist attack is some Fahrenheit 451 kinda shit.

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Ah. Honey Pot.

King Stannis said:

Ah. Honey Pot.

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@ "got dick" ... what kinda shit.. lololol!

@MediumBaller

Here's one of the more egregious examples:

The Intercept:
LISTEN TO AN FBI “HONEYPOT” ON THE JOB
Trevor Aaronson

April 21 2016, 6:40 a.m.

AFTER ONE WOMAN broke his heart, Khalil Abu Rayyan, a 21-year-old Michigan man, contemplated suicide. Then, when he confided his dark thoughts to another woman, she suggested he steer his violence toward other people.

Both women, it turned out, were FBI honeypots, and one of the recorded conversations with Rayyan entered into ongoing court proceedings provides a rare glimpse into how federal informants work.

The U.S. government now alleges that Rayyan, who has been indicted on federal gun charges, is an Islamic State sympathizer who talked of attacking a church in Detroit. Federal prosecutors have not filed terrorism-related charges, yet they are handling Rayyan’s indictment with the secrecy of a national security investigation.

The government has proposed a “limited protective order” that “would have kept sealed anything that even summarized material the government deemed sensitive,” according to a filing by the defense, which has so far refused to accept the proposal.

Based on those records now available, it appears the first FBI informant to enter Rayyan’s life was “Ghaada.” They struck up an intense relationship online, and even talked about marriage, children, and a life together.

When Ghaada called off the relationship, Rayyan was heartbroken. The FBI then introduced “Jannah Bride,” a 19-year-old Sunni Muslim who had a soft and charming accent when she spoke (in Arabic, Jannah means heaven).

“I love your voice, by the way,” Rayyan told her in one conversation.

To impress his new romantic interest, who appeared preoccupied with jihad, Rayyan claimed to have an AK-47 (he didn’t), and to have attempted travel to Syria (there’s no evidence he even bought a ticket).

Like Ghaada, Jannah Bride was an FBI informant.

An FBI recording of a conversation between Rayyan and Bride — which was obtained exclusively by The Intercept — shows how the FBI used Rayyan’s suicidal thoughts to manipulate him.

In a 15-minute call with Bride on February 2, Rayyan admitted that he was depressed and considering suicide.

“I’m tired of this,” Rayyan told her. “We’re doing the same thing every day.”

“You’re just saying that, right?” Bride asked. “Like, you didn’t plan anything?”

“I bought a rope this morning …” Rayyan answered. “It’s not that hard.”

“What do you mean it’s not that hard?” Bride followed. “It’s hard to take your own life, Khalil.”

Whether Khalil was suicidal or simply exhibiting attention-seeking behavior is unclear. But within a few minutes, the FBI informant deftly steered the conversation to violence against other people.

“Which thought is greater to you right now — hurting yourself or somebody else?” Bride asked.

“What is it?” he replied.

“Are you thinking about hurting yourself or somebody else?” Bride said.

“Well, I mean, I would not like to hurt somebody else,” Rayyan said. “But at the same time, if I did it to myself, it’d be easier. I wouldn’t get in trouble.”

Listen to the entire conversation between “Jannah Bride” and Rayyan.

A couple of months after the phone call, FBI agents searched Rayyan’s home and business, looking for the AK-47 he mentioned to Bride in one conversation. Federal agents found no trace of the assault rifle. Rayyan appears to have made up the story entirely to impress Bride.

Federal prosecutors instead charged Rayyan with unlawful possession of a handgun, which, according to his lawyer, he had obtained for self-defense while delivering pizzas in Detroit.

The government is refusing to turn over all communications between Rayyan and government informants. The FBI did not respond to The Intercept’s request for comment.

In a motion filed April 15, Rayyan’s lawyers, Todd Shanker and Benton C. Martin, wrote: “The government clearly exploited Rayyan, and blatantly attempted to steer him toward terrorism as an acceptable form of suicide before God.”

After his arrest, Rayyan told a psychologist: “I have never been touched by a girl in any way nor have I touched one.”

gourimoko said:

Man, all the time...

Ask yourself this.. which is more newsworthy, some lunatic getting honeypotted by the FBI, or the FBI profiling and scouring people based on their social media patterns?

And the point of the FBI doing this? Well, that depends. From the FBI's perspective, I'm sure the argument is that they are taking dangerous people off the streets, and frankly I agree. But was this guy a "terrorist?" No, of course not. Was he a "would-be terrorist," sure.. but what the fuck does that mean? See what I'm saying?

They profiled him, then played on his state of mind by representing whom he felt was a savior to his problems; that being ISIS. But when it really came down to executing the plan, he backed out and apologized.. reality set in, and he couldn't go through with it.

Now, did he conspire with ISIS? No, he conspired with the FBI.
Did he plot to kill people? Yes, probably.. How far he got towards implementing that plan, we don't know. Would he ever have actualized that plan? We don't know.

But he's going to go to jail -- for a long time -- for being a terrorist.

And I'm not saying this guy should be on the loose, but, what I am saying is that the media is complicit in a lie.

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I've heard stories of the FBI doing this before but I always thought it was just some conspiracy shit. I'm going to look at these kinds of stories differently now. It seems kind of messed up. I'm glad they're getting potentially dangerous people off the streets, but it almost kind of feels like they're manufacturing would-be "terrorists".

MediumBaller said:

I've heard stories of the FBI doing this before but I always thought it was just some conspiracy shit. I'm going to look at these kinds of stories differently now. It seems kind of messed up. I'm glad they're getting potentially dangerous people off the streets, but it almost kind of feels like they're manufacturing would-be "terrorists".

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Exactly how I feel about Jameson. He's undeniably a danger to himself and others. But turning him into a terrorist and then arresting him for that doesn't make sense.

Always wanted to see what a real life honey pot chick looked like

David. said:

Always wanted to see what a real life honey pot chick looked like

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King Stannis said:

Ah. Honey Pot.

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That episode was so good.

I think this is the kind of thing Trump was talking about when he mentioned going after the families of terrorists.. Someone usually knows.

View: https://twitter.com/yashar/status/949489310998450178

But only when Muslims do it.

Because they speak in code. Or some sort of “other language.”

I’m not sure.

AZ_ said:

But only when Muslims do it.

Because they speak in code. Or some sort of “other language.”

I’m not sure.

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The woman literally said "I knew he was going to Orlando to attack." All she had to do was call the police and dozens of people would still be alive, but she didn't.

MediumBaller said:

The woman literally said "I knew he was going to Orlando to attack." All she had to do was call the police and dozens of people would still be alive, but she didn't.

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His wife?

Yeah, that’s not the same as Trump insinuating that other Muslims in the community know and willfully don’t cooperate with law enforcement.

These two things aren’t the same, but you don’t need me to explain that to you.

Thousands of Muslims weren’t dancing in the streets on 9/11, the Muslim community doesn’t have advanced knowledge of terrorist attacks, nor is responsible for the actions of others.

This doesn’t change because an attacker’s wife was complicit in an attack.

AZ_ said:

His wife?

Yeah, that’s not the same as Trump insinuating that other Muslims in the community know and willfully don’t cooperate with law enforcement.

These two things aren’t the same, but you don’t need me to explain that to you.

Thousands of Muslims weren’t dancing in the streets on 9/11, the Muslim community doesn’t have advanced knowledge of terrorist attacks, nor is responsible for the actions of others.

This doesn’t change because an attacker’s wife was complicit in an attack.

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Baller isn't commenting on any of this insinuation. He's commenting on what he said he was commenting on.