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Didn't Israel withdraw from the Gaza Strip way back in 2005, and in fact remove by force Israelis who did not want to leave?

Yes, leaving a blockaded ghetto that they routinely shell and bombard, quite literally, into the ground.. Not to mention their recent invasion which caused more than 2,000 Gazans to lose their lives and resulted in more than 10,000 Palestinian casualties.

But there are no settlements in the Gaza Strip, that is true...
 
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Yes, leaving a blockaded ghetto that they routinely shell and bombard, quite literally, into the ground.. But there are no settlements in the Gaza Strip, that's true...

Well, you said that they occupied it. Which was not correct. Also, Israel does not control the border between Gaza and Egypt -- Egypt does. So if there is a blockade, Egypt is just as culpable.

Very recently, Hamas -- which was smuggling rockets and munitions into Gaza to bombard and attack Israel (and which is why there was a blockade) decided to give up control of Gaza. The border crossings are now under the control of the Palestinian Authority.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...control-of-crossings-to-palestinian-authority

If Hamas stops using Gaza as a staging point for attacks into Israel, then the possibility of the blockade being lifted and living conditions improving will increase significantly.
 
Well, you said that they occupied it. Which was not correct.

Q-Tip, you most certainly are in error here.. I'll refer you to the Wiki so you don't have to take my word for it..

"Despite dissolving the military government, in line with Egyptian demands, the term Israeli-occupied territories remains in use, referring to the West Bank including East Jerusalem, the Gaza Strip and Western Golan Heights. Between 1998 and 2012, the term Palestinian territories, Occupied was used to refer to territories controlled by the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

The International Court of Justice,[1] the UN General Assembly[2] and the United Nations Security Council regards Israel as the "Occupying Power".[3] UN Special Rapporteur Richard Falk called Israel's occupation "an affront to international law."[4] The Israeli High Court of Justice has ruled that Israel holds the West Bank under "belligerent occupation".[5] According to Talia Sasson, the High Court of Justice in Israel, with a variety of different justices sitting, has repeatedly stated for more than four decades that international law applies to Israel's presence in the West Bank.[6] Israeli governments have preferred the term "disputed territories" in the case of the West Bank.[7][8] Officially Israel maintains that the West Bank is disputed territory.[9]

Israel asserts that since the disengagement of Israel from Gaza in 2005, Israel no longer occupies the Gaza Strip.[10] However, as it retained certain control of Gaza's airspace and coastline, as of 2012 it continued to be designated as an occupying power in the Gaza Strip by the United Nations Security Council, the United Nations General Assembly[11] and some countries and various human rights organizations.


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You might disagree with this for your own reasons, but, I don't think that's really worth debating in the context of the topic.

Also, Israel does not control the border between Gaza and Egypt -- Egypt does. So if there is a blockade, Egypt is just as culpable.

I'm not sure what your point is here? Whoever said Egypt wasn't culpable?

Very recently, Hamas -- which was smuggling rockets and munitions into Gaza to bombard and attack Israel (and which is why there was a blockade) decided to give up control of Gaza.

Give up control as part of the Hamas-Fatah Reconciliation... Just as they also in the process of handing of bureaucratic control and administrative positions as the PA takes over Gaza internal affairs as well.

The border crossings are now under the control of the Palestinian Authority.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...control-of-crossings-to-palestinian-authority

Right...

If Hamas stops using Gaza as a staging point for attacks into Israel, then the possibility of the blockade being lifted and living conditions improving will increase significantly.

Yes, I'm sure that's one way of looking at it. Violence does allow for perpetual occupation; .. or .. vice versa.

So the problem with this kind of logic is that you end up basically where you started.
 
Really admirable of you guys to show solidarity and "side" with Israel. Side with Israel on WHAT exactly??

I'm not trying to offend by saying that. I get it, it's awful what's going on there for everyone involved. I can't side w/ Palestine though and support launching Hezbollah missiles out of their schools and then cry foul when those schools are destroyed.

Peace would be wonderful, but it really doesn't seem like that's actually desired.
 
I'm not trying to offend by saying that. I get it, it's awful what's going on there for everyone involved. I can't side w/ Palestine though and support launching Hezbollah missiles out of their schools and then cry foul when those schools are destroyed.

Sometimes this is true and sometimes it's not; either way, it's universally true that it's not students and teachers or doctors, nurses, and patients launching rockets from these buildings if and when that happens. It's Hamas, and given the situation, they are the only power that exists in the area.

Who exactly is going to stop them? And more to the point, bombing the hospital or school isn't going to do it either.

Peace would be wonderful, but it really doesn't seem like that's actually desired.

You really don't think millions of Palestinians desire peace?
 
Who exactly is going to stop them? And more to the point, bombing the hospital or school isn't going to do it either.

No, but it stops that missile site from raining in missiles into Israel lands and terrorizing their people.

You really don't think millions of Palestinians desire peace?

I think a lot of people involved do not desire peace. I don't think that's all one sided in that either.
 
No, but it stops that missile site from raining in missiles into Israel lands and terrorizing their people.

If that were true then I might agree, but the problem is that the rockets are already gone by the time Israel retaliates. So, not much, if anything, is really accomplished.

I think a lot of people involved do not desire peace. I don't think that's all one sided in that either.

I agree that a lot of people don't want peace; but I genuinely believe that the majority do, on both sides.
 
You really don't think millions of Palestinians desire peace?

Sure, many do, though I suspect a much higher percentage of Israelis want it. However, that isn't necessarily a biased position if you assume that the reason more Israelis want "peace" is because the status quo is much more favorable to them. Palestinians find the current situation much less tolerable, and so are more willing to fight.
 
I agree that a lot of people don't want peace; but I genuinely believe that the majority do, on both sides.


I guess that explains the gift ribbons on the missiles, all this time they were being sent w/ love! :p
 
Sure, many do, though I suspect a much higher percentage of Israelis want it. However, that isn't necessarily a biased position if you assume that the reason more Israelis want "peace" is because the status quo is much more favorable to them. Palestinians find the current situation much less tolerable, and so are more willing to fight.

Peace means an end to the occupation, and end to hostilities, and a return to civil society. That would mean either the Palestinians got a viable and equal state; or, they became Israelis.

I think just as many Palestinians want a Two State Solution as Israelis; and in fact, that's historically true as far as polling goes - within 10-15% variance for a Two State Solution, and around 1/3rd of Palestinians and Israelis support a single/bi-national state.

Those numbers are falling this year though; such that, for the first time since it's been polled, the Palestinian majority no longer wants a Two State Solution - likely because it no longer seems viable.
 
https://www.dailywire.com/news/2502...m_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro

"Law Enforcement officials charged Everitt Aaron Jameson with allegedly “providing ‘material support or resources to a foreign terrorist organization’ between Oct. 24 and Dec. 20,” NBC Bay Areareported."

This makes me wonder how many potential terrorist attacks are thwarted without us knowing.

Here's something many people don't realize about these kinds of stories (and this isn't about the Daily Wire -- the fucking NYT is guilty of this too). But this is one of those situations that is more complicated than it may initially appear from the sensationalist press..

So long store short; Jameson was honey-potted.

That is to say, the FBI as informed, likely by third party big data firms (which the FBI represents as "informants" or "CHS"), looks at people's social media accounts and profiles them. One such profile that is useful to the FBI is Islamist radicalization. Jameson had "liked" a bunch of things on Facebook that related to ISIS, and this was picked up by the FBI's "informant" source.

The source then invites or encourages the target to commit an oath of allegiance and ultimately to engage in a specific act of terrorism.

With Jameson, the FBI and their "informant" approached Jameson, and honepotted him, representing themselves as ISIS. Jameson then agreed to fight for the cause and indicated he wanted to go to Syria. They instead told him they wanted him to do something there first; and after several days he came up with a scheme to run people down at Pier 39 and shoot folks in the process, all part of a suicide attack.

They (the FBI) asked him what he needed, and he told them an M-16 and some components to build explosives (from the old Anarchist Cookbook).

The FBI didn't provide him with anything, but instead told him to do it with his earnings and he went and bought a .22 caliber rifle. I believe he also was found with a 9mm and some fireworks as well.

However, the guy ended up writing a suicide note only to then contact "ISIS" / the FBI and tell them "I can't do this." They effectively asked him if he was sure and he apologetically told his terrorist handlers he couldn't go through with it.

The FBI then swooped in and arrested him.

.... Now ... that is remarkable different than the headline:

"California Law Enforcement Stops Major Terrorist Attack At Pier 39 From Happening

The reality is that this was a likely suicidal, deranged man; who was very likely dangerous to himself or others -- however, not someone who had initiated or planned a terrorist attack with ISIS on his own as some lone wolf.

To represent this as that would be fear-mongering. And, unsurprisingly, this story like MANY others (regardless of outlet or political leaning) engage in this kind of disingenuous news reporting.

I'm glad this guy is off the streets and he should be committed to a mental institution certainly; but calling this a thwarted terrorist attack is some Fahrenheit 451 kinda shit.
 
https://www.dailywire.com/news/2502...m_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro

"Law Enforcement officials charged Everitt Aaron Jameson with allegedly “providing ‘material support or resources to a foreign terrorist organization’ between Oct. 24 and Dec. 20,” NBC Bay Areareported."

This makes me wonder how many potential terrorist attacks are thwarted without us knowing.
Yeah, here's another article:

FBI Arrests California Man for Plotting Christmas Jihad Attack with Truck, Guns, and Bombs
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The FBI announced on Friday that it arrested California tow truck driver Everitt Aaron Jameson for plotting a Christmas terror attack on Pier 39 in San Francisco.
In statements to undercover informants, Jameson outlined a plan that would have involved running civilians down with his truck, deploying improvised explosives, and using his skills as a Marine sharpshooter to increase the body count. A note he evidently intended for publication after the attack swore allegiance to ISIS and cited President Donald Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel as a reason for his actions.

FBI documents state that Jameson planned to use his tow truck for a mass-casualty attack on Pier 39 because he “had been there before and knew it was a heavily crowded area.” He reportedly said Christmas would be “the perfect day to commit the attack.”

“I’m glad to know we Muslims are finally hitting back. Allahu Akbar! The kuffar deserve everything and more [for] the lives they have taken,” he allegedly told an FBI informant after the November 2 truck jihad attack in New York City, which killed eight people.

“Allahu akbar! It says he was one of us. May Allah grant him Jannah firtuidus Amin,” he said of New York City truck terrorist Sayfullo Saipov, indicating that he hoped Saipov would enter paradise as a reward for attacking the infidels.

Jameson also reportedly spoke approvingly of the attack on a Christmas party by a husband-and-wife jihadi team in San Bernardino in December 2015 and suggested his operation would include vehicles, explosives, and firearms. He told an undercover agent that America “needed another attack like New York or San Bernardino.”

Communicating with FBI assets he believed were representatives of the Islamic State, Jameson advertised himself as a military veteran and offered to put his skills at the service of the caliphate. In a meeting with undercover informants, he added that he was “well versed” in the Anarchist Cookbook, a manual for making bombs and other implements of terrorism. He also offered financial assistance to ISIS, offered to travel to Syria if needed, and said he was ready to die for “the cause.” He demonstrated fluency in spoken Arabic during a telephone call.

“I was a soldier in the kuffar army before I reverted,” he said. “I have been trained in combat and things of war. Inshallah, anything of that nature, as well as funding. Anything for Allah.”

The FBI confirmed that Jameson attended U.S. Marine Corps basic training and earned a “sharpshooter” rifle qualification. He was eventually discharged for “fraudulent enlistment,” apparently because he failed to disclose a history of asthma to the recruiters.

When the undercover FBI operatives asked what he needed for the attack, Jameson outlined an ambitious plan involving M-16 and/or AK-47 rifles, timers, remote detonators, and pipe bomb materials.

When a search warrant was executed at Jameson’s residence in Modesto, a number of pistols, rifles, and ammunition were confiscated, along with his last will and testament and a handwritten letter he signed as “Abdallah abu Everitt ibn Gordon al-Amriki.” The letter was evidently meant to be published after he carried out his terror attack. It reads:

I, Abdallah adu Everitt ibn Gordon, have committed these acts upon the Kuffar, in the name of Dar al Islam, Allahu Akbar! You all have brought this upon yourselves. There is no innocent Kuffar! Each and every Kuffar in this Nationalistic, Godless society has a hand in this. You’ve allowed Donald J. Trump to give away Al Quds to the Jews. Both You and he are wrong, it belongs to the Muslemeen. We have penetrated and infiltrated your disgusting country. These Acts will continue until the Lions of Islam overtake you. Turn to Allah, make tawbah and fight with us, the soldiers who fight in the day and the night. Allah SWT is most forgiving. I am not. Long live Isil, Long Live Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. Allahu akbar!

Dar al Islam means the “house of Islam.” Kuffar is a derogatory term for non-Muslims. Al Quds is an Arabic name for Jerusalem. Muslemeen is another way of saying “Muslim” Tawbah means “repent.” Allah SWT is a shorthand way of saying “Allah the most glorious and exalted.” Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is the “caliph” or leader of the Islamic State.

According to the FBI, Jameson was a voracious consumer of Islamic State propaganda online, and wrote numerous “social media posts that are supportive of terrorism.”

http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...ting-christmas-jihad-attack-truck-guns-bombs/
 

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