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2017-18 Cleveland Indians Offseason

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Salazar, Zimmer and one of the Tribe’s prospects ranked 4-10 for Christian Yelich. Who says no?
I would say both say no. Zimmer showed me more than enough to make me view him as a regular bigleaguer, and while Yelich is a bit more 'complete' I just don't see how a deal like that benefits the Tribe.

What is difficult is knowing what the market is for Salazar. Do clubs think he will stay healthy enough to start? Did the way he finish the year, effectively banished, hurt his sale value? I think so, but all it takes is two GMs who think they can easily fix the situation and the Tribe can at least get some of his value back.
 
You know who might end up being a good cheap, bounce-back candidate? Johnathan Lucroy. Or did Indians fans thoroughly poison that well on that one?

Also, Jay Bruce's agent is floating that he has two multiyear offers and probably soon a third.... may be signing soon, probably not, who knows... wonder if the Tribe is in on him still. He seems to really want to play out west.

Lucky wouldn't make much sense with our catcher depth.

Seems like the ship has sailed on Bruce as well
 

We're already talking Brantley not being ready for opening day.
 
Hoynes also said Kipnis will be the regular 2B and Jose will be the regular 3B assuming everyone is healthy.
 
Everytime I see there's a new post in this thread I'm hoping for some good news. And it never comes :( Still alotta guys out there...
 
The decision to put Kipnis back at second -- he might still go back to the outfield if there is an injury -- comes as somewhat of a surprise.
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The one thing that may put Kipnis back in the outfield, temporarily, is if Michael Brantley isn't ready to open the season in left field.

Reading the article actually helps. No new development on Brantley since his surgery. Just Hoynes speculating on a scenario that could force Kipnis to see time in the OF.
 
Buster Olney is doing his Top 10 players at each position. Has not hit the outfield yet- he's doing Left, Center, and Right. Think Brantley is the only one who gets mentioned.

But Indians so far mentioned:

#2 Starting Pitcher - Corey Kluber
Kluber still hasn’t talked about what ailed him during the Indians’ division series loss to the Yankees, and baseball’s most prominent stoic probably never will. But he just wasn’t the same, with his velocity and command diminished. He had owned hitters leading up to the postseason. From Langs: Kluber went on the disabled list with a back injury in May, and when he returned in June, he was the best pitcher in baseball the rest of the way. From June 1, he led MLB starting pitchers in wins (15), ERA (1.62), WHIP (0.76) and K/BB ratio (9.7).

With that four-month surge, Kluber managed to beat out Chris Sale for the AL Cy Young Award, and you could make a reasonable case that Kluber should be No. 1 on this list. Few pitchers can make a baseball move in the way Kluber does. His late, lateral movement and camouflaged delivery make it difficult for hitters to discern the trajectory and velocity of his pitches. Kluber led all starting pitchers in swing-and-miss rate last season at 15.6 percent.

#1 was Scherzer

#3 Reliever - Andrew Miller
Even while fighting some knee trouble that affected his command, Miller continued to be baseball’s most dominant left-handed reliever, striking out 95 of the 244 batters he faced, with an Adjusted ERA+ of 319. He’ll be a free agent next fall, and odds are that Miller, who will be 33 years old in May, will be making a whole lot more than that $9 million salary that moved the bar the last time he was a free agent.

#1 and #2 were Jansen and Kimbrel

Honorable Mention Second Baseman - Jason Kipnis
It’s unclear what role he’ll play in 2018. But when he’s healthy, he hits.

#2 Third Baseman - Jose Ramirez
He finished last season as the second baseman for the Indians, but the bulk of his exceptional work was accomplished at third base, where he made 86 of his 151 starts. One longtime coach said about Ramirez that he competes with more intensity than any player in the American League -- game to game, inning to inning, pitch to pitch. Last year, Ramirez had 91 extra-base hits and scored 107 runs, and stole 17 bases -- and for all that and more, Ramirez finished third in the AL MVP voting. Ramirez had the 10th-lowest swing-and-miss ratio in the majors.

From Langs: Ramirez, a switch-hitter, ranked in the top 20 in batting average against right-handed pitchers (.312) and left-handers (.329).

#1 was Arenado

#1 Shortstop - Francisco Lindor
The Indians thought his swing got a little big last season and that he sometimes got away from what he does best -- that is, consistently hitting the ball hard -- and he batted .252 before the All-Star break. But he finished well and closed the year with 81 extra-base hits including 33 homers, and was fifth in the AL MVP voting. He has played all but seven games in the past two regular seasons.

From Langs: The only other shortstop to hit at least 30 homers as a shortstop in a season before turning 24 years old is Alex Rodriguez, who did that twice.
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Carlos Santana ranked #9 1B, fwiw. No mention of EE; not sure if he was even considered for 1B and Olney isn't doing a DH
 
I would say both say no. Zimmer showed me more than enough to make me view him as a regular bigleaguer, and while Yelich is a bit more 'complete' I just don't see how a deal like that benefits the Tribe.

What is difficult is knowing what the market is for Salazar. Do clubs think he will stay healthy enough to start? Did the way he finish the year, effectively banished, hurt his sale value? I think so, but all it takes is two GMs who think they can easily fix the situation and the Tribe can at least get some of his value back.

I don't think Salazar will ever have a season where he is free of injury. He has some of the best stuff in the game, just doesn't have the build of a Kluber or Carrasco. He reminds me of Tim Linsecum in that regard. He eventually broke down due to his slight frame. I could see them using him as a closer next year once Miller and Allen leave.

I could see the Indians waiting till the trading deadline to get another hitter. They won't beat Houston or New York with the roster currently. I think the only reason Brantley was brought back was he is on a 1 year deal. If they could, Santana or Bruce would've been signed over Brantley, they just can't afford them over 3 years.
 
They won't beat Houston or New York with the roster currently.

I don't really get this mindset. The roster is still extremely talented despite our offseason losses and New York's addition of Stanton.

Our 2 best hitters no-showed, our ace got hurt and then shelled twice, our best power bat missed ~3 games yet the series still went the distance. Hell, the Indians had a great opportunity to sweep but scored 0 runs in Game 3 and Judge robbed a Lindor HR on a play that likely only he can make. They even had an opportunity with Jose-EE-Santana coming up down 1 in the bottom of the 9th of Game 5 until Brett Gardner had a 15 pitch AB vs. Cody Allen that ended with a 2 run hit that effectively ended the game and series.

If it's been said once, it's been said 1000 times: anything can happen in the MLB postseason. If we're healthy I like our chances as much as any other team.
 
We lost to New York with literally the entire team underperforming. Even then, we did have a 2-0 lead... I know that sounds like an excuse but you all saw the series. Nobody was right, not even Kluber.

It happens, and it sucks. I agree Stanton is a huge addition to the Yankees but the Indians are probably still a better/more complete team on paper. Houston is a different story. The AL is going to be extremely tough.
 
I don't really get this mindset. The roster is still extremely talented despite our offseason losses and New York's addition of Stanton.

Our 2 best hitters no-showed, our ace got hurt and then shelled twice, our best power bat missed ~3 games yet the series still went the distance. Hell, the Indians had a great opportunity to sweep but scored 0 runs in Game 3 and Judge robbed a Lindor HR on a play that likely only he can make. They even had an opportunity with Jose-EE-Santana coming up down 1 in the bottom of the 9th of Game 5 until Brett Gardner had a 15 pitch AB vs. Cody Allen that ended with a 2 run hit that effectively ended the game and series.

If it's been said once, it's been said 1000 times: anything can happen in the MLB postseason. If we're healthy I like our chances as much as any other team.
We were barely over .500 when we acquired Bruce. Losing him and Santana can't be taken for granted. We do have a stacked team, but I think another hitter or two would go a long way to win the whole thing. You can't count on guys like Brantley and Chisenhall to get the job done.

If this postseason showed anything, you need offense to win.
 
We were barely over .500 when we acquired Bruce. Losing him and Santana can't be taken for granted. We do have a stacked team, but I think another hitter or two would go a long way to win the whole thing. You can't count on guys like Brantley and Chisenhall to get the job done.

If this postseason showed anything, you need offense to win.

It's a 2 way street though. You saw how 2 Cy Young winners in Keuchel and Verlander completely shut down the Yankees in the ALCS. Those guys allowed 1 combined earned run in 25 innings.
 

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