The Jarvis Landry Thread: Bless 'Em

RG said:

His overall point was right though
The chances of a day 3 WR being good are about the same as flipping a coin and having it land on heads 10 times in a row.

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Exactly. It has nothing to do with track-record when compared to the odds.

Finding a star skill-position player in rounds 5-7 is lucky. Sometimes teams do get lucky. Having strong talent evaluation is one factor--but even still, if they knew a guy was going to develop into a star, they'd have taken him far before the 5th to 7th round themselves.

Hypothetically, it's like giving me credit when my 15th round pick in the Fantasy Draft ends up being my leading point getter. Sure, I based it on upside and hoped he'd get a role as the season progressed. Sure, I liked traits in him. However, if I knew what he was going to be, I'd have taken him far earlier.

AZ_ said:

But now what?

It doesn't mean you don't continue evaluating and drafting them.

It's not much different from people who say they shouldn't draft a RB from Penn State because of Curtis Enis.

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Signed,
Ki-jana Carter

AZ_ said:

But now what?

It doesn't mean you don't continue evaluating and drafting them.

It's not much different from people who say they shouldn't draft a RB from Penn State because of Curtis Enis.

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Never said anything regarding that.

Simply pointed out a fact of what has happened with recent results from our team.

Keep taking my posts and applying your own interpretations and assumptions though that’s fine.

Triplethreat said:

Keep taking my posts and applying your own interpretations and assumptions though that’s fine.

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Is this not the definition of written dialogue between posters, though? Interpreting your words, making deductions, and replying?

thedarkness2332 said:

Is this not the definition of written dialogue between posters, though? Interpreting your words, making deductions, and replying?

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Or just take what I say as face value.

The Browns have had zero success drafting WR’s in the latter rounds in recent years after using about 7 of them.

Signing Jarvis Landry to an extension and eating up 10 million of our 90 million in cap space is not a bad move.

Christ...

Countless times people spew out, "If we need to get an "X" type of player, we are going to have to overpay a little or a lot because we are Cleveland, blah, blah.." and we just "overpaid" for a young, 25 year old WR who a veteran or young QB can count on to make the 3rd & 7 catches.

Is he a JG, OBJ, Julio, Green, Brown type of WR that can jump higher, outrun, create massive separation from their counterpart? No.

But he is a reliable, great handed, young, good locker room guy who is only going to help our team.

Just from an odds standpoint, who else would we draft RIGHT NOW in the 4th round this year & 7th round next year (what we gave up to MIA) that is going to be as productive as him?

Or should we just keep waiting and waiting and let the good players get taken from other teams and sign Kamar Aiken to a "friendly, front-loaded deal worth $56,000/yr"

We have the fucking money. Use it.

I swear some of you would still find a way to complain if this team won a Super Bowl.

Not trying to equate this in any way but we just extended one of the most productive receivers in the NFL. For a team that's been absolutely bear bones in playmakers, who gives a shit?

Man, I don't remember this much negativity when we backed up the Brinks truck for Tristan Thompson's fucking corpse.

Binkster said:

I swear some of you would still find a way to complain if this team won a Super Bowl.

Not trying to equate this in any way but we just extended one of the most productive receivers in the NFL. For a team that's been absolutely bear bones in playmakers, who gives a shit?

Man, I don't remember this much negativity when we backed up the Brinks truck for Tristan Thompson's fucking corpse.

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See this is the type of post I hate.

Way too much on this forum we dismiss people's opinions as just negativity and if you aren't for a move you would just complain about anything. I'm guilty of it. I think most people are if they're being honest with themselves.

Not a single person on here complained after we won the championship. We were all in glee. If we won a superbowl most of us would die from alcohol poisoning. Just broadly painting anyone with a negative take as just being negative isn't productive and it happens way too often.

One last aside: plenty of people were pissed about the Thompson deal and he was anything but a corpse at the time. He was one of the best players on the court for either team in the NBA Finals. People forget that.

Anyway, I was one of the people most critical of this move from the beginning. Once I found out the draft capital we gave up to get it done it made me like the deal more. I still don't think he's one of the most productive receivers in the NFL and I think people are just looking at the metrics they want to look at when determining that, but this move has grown on me to the point that I'm pretty neutral on it.

I love Landry's leadership coming in on day 1 and organizing workouts. This team desperately needs leadership. And that's something I didn't account for (mostly because I didn't know) when I first hated this move.

But just painting any negative take on something as people complaining just to complain is something that I think dilutes the quality of the discussion and sends it into personal attacks. And like I said, I'm guilty of doing the same... mostly to Rich. Who does often have good takes.

Triplethreat said:

Or just take what I say as face value.

The Browns have had zero success drafting WR’s in the latter rounds in recent years after using about 7 of them.

Signing Jarvis Landry to an extension and eating up 10 million of our 90 million in cap space is not a bad move.

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I agree. Landry is a Pro Bowler at what he does... and with all this money to spend, we were very close to taking a big pile out back and lighting it on fire. We may as well give it to a talented young guy who wants to be here.

I disagree with the reasoning that we have had zero success at drafting WR late in a draft as a reason to not continue to attempt it, however.

Moreso, getting skill players late in drafts is always a difficult thing to do for any regime. Frankly, if they thought the guy would become a star, they'd have taken him earlier in the draft. These players always have some kind of knock at that point of a draft. It's all guessing and a little luck based on liking traits.

thedarkness2332 said:

I agree. Landry is a Pro Bowler at what he does... .

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He's a pro-bowler at getting a shit ton 4 yard after catch receptions?

Ob1 said:

He's a pro-bowler at getting a shit ton 4 yard receptions?

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Yep. He sure the fuck is. Building Pro-Bowl seasons one 4-yard reception at a time.

Ob1 said:

He's a pro-bowler at getting a shit ton 4 yard receptions?

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So he averages 4 yards per reception?

Lots of really lackluster takes on this. I expected better from this board than to cry because the Browns signed a Pro Bowler.

Chris said:

So he averages 4 yards per reception?

Lots of really lackluster takes on this. I expected better from this board than to cry because the Browns signed a Pro Bowler.

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Sorry meant to type 8. It's 4 after catch. editing.

Jarvis Landry is currently the third highest paid receiver in the NFL in terms of guaranteed money.

Is he anywhere near the third best WR in football? No, but he's still a capable player and a very good slot.

Generally speaking "they can afford it" isn't a good justification for overpaying by 25%, but it is what it is.

CBBI said:

Jarvis Landry is currently the third highest paid receiver in the NFL in terms of guaranteed money.

Is he anywhere near the third best WR in football? No, but he's still a capable player and a very good slot.

Generally speaking "they can afford it" isn't a good justification for overpaying by 25%, but it is what it is.

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No, but paying an 0-16 tax on top of a "TIC" tax, is perfect justification.

Like someone else said. People on here go, "Well we know we'll have to overpay, blah blah," then the Browns overpay and it's the apocalypse. What ever will we do without the largest amount of cap in the NFL every year?!