The Jarvis Landry Thread: Bless 'Em

[Ob1]

Yeah, I don't get it. I think the exact reason we shouldnt be paying him 15 mil a year is because he's going to end up a WR2 in our offense. I don't think he's going to open anything up for JG so there is no real nuance to justify his neutered numbers. I think we can find 80/800 in a lot of different spots in the draft including at 33 or 35. Why pay 15 mil for what you can pay < $1 mil.

I also think Landry is vastly overrated as TP was. Wasn't his point to hate on people for liking TP? Those same people are now liking Landry, not the opposite.

 

[Binkster]

For how much people rag on the negative people for bringing little to the table this is literally what’s on the other side

I'd actually argue that the negative people bring way too much to the table.*

*Disclaimer: By disagreeing with this post, you actually agree that Binkster wins the argument vs. Wizard of Moz.

 

[Chris]

Yeah, I don't get it. I think the exact reason we shouldnt be paying him 15 mil a year is because he's going to end up a WR2 in our offense. I don't think he's going to open anything up for JG so there is no real nuance to justify his neutered numbers. I think we can find 80/800 in a lot of different spots in the draft including at 33 or 35. Why pay 15 mil for what you can pay < $1 mil.

I also think Landry is vastly overrated as TP was. Wasn't his point to hate on people for liking TP? Those same people are now liking Landry, not the opposite.

Who in particular does that last part refer to?

Banking on getting a guy like that, even in the 2nd round, is clearly something Dorsey is not interested in doing. He'd rather overpay, and get a guaranteed NFL talent right here, right now, who can help the team start winning RIGHT NOW. I can't fault him at all for that. This team went 1-31 as you well know. So in reality I don't think you are even wrong on your point...but this team needs players and it needs them right the fuck now. We can only count on rookies so much. Landry is a legitimate impact, veteran player. We have very few of those.

Team needs to get back to respectability.

 

[Ob1]

Team needs to get back to respectability.

Yeah, fair enough. There is some value in getting guys we already know are above average. I just want to win, if we have to overpay, I guess that is what it is. Don't want to eventually have to end up getting rid of all the talent we are drafting because of bad cap management, though.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I'd actually argue that the negative people bring way too much to the table.

*Disclaimer: By disagreeing with this post, you actually agree that Binkster wins the argument vs. Wizard of Moz.

I just don’t think it leads to literally any productive conversations to just assume anyone who dislikes something was going to hate anything that happened regardless. A few people in here have brought good arguments to the table for not liking Landry’s potential. And some people brought good arguments FOR liking his potential. Keys actually was one of the people that warmed me up to the move by not just immediately dismissing my or others opinions as negative for the sake of being negative. But whatever. I hope Landry makes me look like an idiot. Ogunjobi sure did

 

[Soda]

I think I'd say that 7th on this list is pretty nice for me.

 

[Hurl Bruce]

See this is the type of post I hate.

Way too much on this forum we dismiss people's opinions as just negativity and if you aren't for a move you would just complain about anything. I'm guilty of it. I think most people are if they're being honest with themselves.

Not a single person on here complained after we won the championship. We were all in glee. If we won a superbowl most of us would die from alcohol poisoning. Just broadly painting anyone with a negative take as just being negative isn't productive and it happens way too often.

One last aside: plenty of people were pissed about the Thompson deal and he was anything but a corpse at the time. He was one of the best players on the court for either team in the NBA Finals. People forget that.

Anyway, I was one of the people most critical of this move from the beginning. Once I found out the draft capital we gave up to get it done it made me like the deal more. I still don't think he's one of the most productive receivers in the NFL and I think people are just looking at the metrics they want to look at when determining that, but this move has grown on me to the point that I'm pretty neutral on it.

I love Landry's leadership coming in on day 1 and organizing workouts. This team desperately needs leadership. And that's something I didn't account for (mostly because I didn't know) when I first hated this move.

But just painting any negative take on something as people complaining just to complain is something that I think dilutes the quality of the discussion and sends it into personal attacks. And like I said, I'm guilty of doing the same... mostly to Rich. Who does often have good takes.

If any team is worthy of negativity, it's the Browns. Does any other team have a verb named after the team name that means to fuck things up? Browns gonna Browns.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I bet DePodesta is in a bathroom stall crying, clutching a T1 calculator. "My money ball! My glistening plump money ball!"

When you get the chance to lock down a 25 year old #1 receiver and there's plenty of cap room to do it, jump on it. Too many college receivers fail at the next level once they are exposed to a different more complex system.

 

[dark2332]

It's funny you are hating on people for thinking that about TP but ignoring that Landry put up 987 yards on 161 targets

Josh Gordon is the exact reason I DONT like giving Landry 15 per season. His value to us is that of a WR2. There are plenty of good WR2s that can be drafted and cost 1/3 of the price.

In the end, I hope he performs well enough and our offense is killing it.. I just hope his contract doesn't bite us in the ass.

You have a Pro-Bowl receiver, 25 years old, wanting to sign here.

And you're gonna say "Nah" because you're putting all your faith in a 27 year-old who has been banned from the league 90% of his career because he's failed countless drug tests?

Seems.... smart.

On top of that, given his history, Gordon is going to be an ERFA this year and likely a RFA next year. You can keep him somewhat cheaply these next few years. Plus, there's a likelihood that the contract he'd command is well within our means--again, given his history.

 

[Chris]

Yeah, fair enough. There is some value in getting guys we already know are above average. I just want to win, if we have to overpay, I guess that is what it is. Don't want to eventually have to end up getting rid of all the talent we are drafting because of bad cap management, though.

I agree, I just don't see that happening because of this one signing. And we don't really even have all the details yet. I also tend to think Landry's impact will be much more than that of an "above average" player but on that, we'll see.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

When you get the chance to lock down a 25 year old #1 receiver and there's plenty of cap room to do it, jump on it.

I agree with this statement

I disagree with Landry being a #1 WR.

 

[Ob1]

You have a Pro-Bowl receiver, 25 years old, wanting to sign here.

And you're gonna say "Nah" because you're putting all your faith in a 27 year-old who has been banned from the league 90% of his career because he's failed countless drug tests?

Seems.... smart.

On top of that, given his history, Gordon is going to be an ERFA this year and likely a RFA next year. You can keep him somewhat cheaply these next few years. Plus, there's a likelihood that the contract he'd command is well within our means--again, given his history.

It's not that I really want to re-sign JG right now (we dont need to), it's that I think JG is going to neuter what Landry does. I don't see Landry as a WR1 and I think Gordon (if on the field) as a much better player. Thus, either Gordon kills his production, or Landry is forced to be a WR1 if Gordon fucks up and is a really average WR1 as he can't stretch the field.


I envision an 80 catch 800 yard season for Landry every season while JG is here. Is that worth 15 per over 5? Maybe Landry truly does unlock our offense and allows JG to go crazy and gives TT and our future QBs a security blanket that cannot be replicated.

I personally think you can get that same type of player/production next to JG for way less money.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I agree with this statement

I disagree with Landry being a #1 WR.

I'll bite. What makes a receiver a "#1 receiver" in your eyes? I'm feeling like this is a semantic issue, but let's ride it out.

 

[MoFlo]

Even taking production out of it, I think people are seriously underestimating how much just having a sure handed, elite slot receiver on the field will open up an offense.

 

[Triplethreat]

I'll bite. What makes a receiver a "#1 receiver" in your eyes? I'm feeling like this is a semantic issue, but let's ride it out.

#1 received is such a divided term, everyone has a separate definition.

Is it one of the 32 best receivers in the league? Because it should be. That’s one #1 receiver per 32 teams.

Most people define it as Julio/AB/OBJ/Aj Green type of talent though I feel.