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Hue Jackson and Todd Haley Fired

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The Human Q-Tip said:
For starters:

1) He's telling his players that he believed they sucked so bad that they weren't worthy of having an offensive coordinator. That is just horrible.

2) He's saying the responsible coach would be blamed for having a shitty team and would be fired. Except by his own logic (if he actually believed it), he should have been fired as the head coach precisely because there wasn't an offensive coordinator to be blamed.

3) It's not the reason he didn't hire an offensive coordinator. He didn't hire one because he believed he was the best possible offensive coordinator for the team, and simply wanted to run the offense himself because he enjoyed it.

4) He's claiming that he did it because he believes in "accountability", when in fact, this entire lie is nothing more than an attempt to evade accountability. It's a "dog ate my homework" level of bullshit that is simply insulting to everyone listening to him.

The honest answer - that I could have respected -- would have been "You know, I made a mistake. I should have hired an offensive coordinator, and I didn't because I underestimated the amount of attention such a young team needed. I was a first time head coach, and I likely would have been a better one if I'd had a coordinator. So, I'm fixing my mistake now."

Instead, he doesn't even have the integrity to accept the responsibility for his own decision to not hire not an offensive coordinator. He even blames that decision on the roster.

That is despicable.
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I won't say I am rooting against the team. I definitely am not.

But, I am all for firing Hue as quickly as possible. When you hear Dorsey and the rest of the management interviewed this summer - after free agency and the draft - they make analytical and nuanced points about the new guys. Conversely, Hue keeps saying "they're real football players."

Straight-up, that tells me one of three things: 1) Hue does not know football; 2) Hue is so arrogant that he feels no need to provide some analysis of the new players; or 3) both.

Any of those three is frustrating as hell to me. If we win and make the playoffs, all will be forgiven, I suppose. But I really just dislike those comments. I enjoy coaches that tell you things to let the audience understand the tactics, even if it is just a bit. Hue is not one of those coaches.

Is it whiny of me to demand that? Yeah, probably. But these sports are what they are because of the fans. So I think they deserve something.
 
Gotta admit that I don't go into this particular thread often because of the subject matter, but for some odd reason I did just now...hoping I would read "The Browns just fired Hue!"

Whelp, that didn't happen, so YOU GUYS SUCK!

(Following the moves by the Browns then realizing Hue is still in charge, is like seeing a picture of a cute babe, then noticing she's got a tampon string dangling out of her short skirt.)
 
Hue blows. We all know that.

But let's give him a year of literally (whenever someone uses that word...serious shit..) just trying to keep a decent culture in the locker room. See if he can turn around Callaway and keep him straight. Keep Gordon on the right path. And literally blow the whistle at the right time.

He has no say in the offense/defense. Total control is on Haley/Williams. I am gonna go ahead and guess too that no QB change will be made w/o consulting Haley/Dorsey, etc.

It sucks. It 100% does.

I am suurreeee someone has asked - and they would be stupid if they didn't - but wonder if Hue has talked to Thomas to see if he would come in on some sorta role? I don't think he has received any sort of broadcasting gig yet? Thomas actually really likes Hue and bringing him in would be a massive boost to our unit.
 
MikeOC33 said:
Gotta admit that I don't go into this particular thread often because of the subject matter, but for some odd reason I did just now...hoping I would read "The Browns just fired Hue!"

Whelp, that didn't happen, so YOU GUYS SUCK!

(Following the moves by the Browns then realizing Hue is still in charge, is like seeing a picture of a cute babe, then noticing she's got a tampon string dangling out of her short skirt.)
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Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed
 
Norm said:
Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed
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Now I didn't watch one game from that season, but how did he win 8 games with Oakland?
 
Chris said:
Rooting aginst your team because we despise the coach.

Yeah, okay. Only Cleveland fans.
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I'm rooting for him to win the Super Bowl here this year then get fired after being indicted in the Mueller probe.
 
Ridin' West said:
Now I didn't watch one game from that season, but how did he win 8 games with Oakland?
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By the skin of his teeth.

The '11 Raiders had a Pythagorean theorom record of 6-10, and finished 8-8 despite being outscored 359-433.

Oakland only won one game by 10 points or more (34-24 win over 8-8 Jets) that entire season, with every other win coming by 7 or less points.

Combine that with some ugly losses on the road (0-28 against 7-9 KC, 14-34 against 6-10 MIA, and 16-46 against 15-1 GB) and that 8-8 doesn't look so impressive in hindsight.
 
CosmoKramer said:
By the skin of his teeth.

The '11 Raiders had a Pythagorean theorom record of 6-10, and finished 8-8 despite being outscored 359-433.

Oakland only won one game by 10 points or more (34-24 win over 8-8 Jets) that entire season, with every other win coming by 7 or less points.

Combine that with some ugly losses on the road (0-28 against 7-9 KC, 14-34 against 6-10 MIA, and 16-46 against 15-1 GB) and that 8-8 doesn't look so impressive in hindsight.
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Adding to this, that Oakland team also started the season at 7-4. Then, they proceeded to drag their collective ass across the carpet the remaining 5 games to finish at 8-8.

Reggie McKenzie, a close friend of Dorsey’s and Highsmith’s who came out of the same Green Bay umbrella, then took over as GM of the Raiders.

Having an eye for spotting a shitstain in the rough, he wasted little time and fired Jackson on spot.

I kid you not, Hue then immediately began blabbing to Michael Silver—then with Yahoo sports—that it was only because McKenzie wanted his own guy.

He then began to blame about every single person under the sun—except himself—for why the team backed into an 8-8 record.

The writing is on the wall, people. Some like to pretend that Dorsey and Jackson are on good terms.

The reality is that Dorsey wanted nothing to do with Jackson. The mandate to keep him came from a low-IQ owner forcing a marriage.

So, Dorsey will play along. However, if you don’t think Dorsey has reached out to McKenzie regarding Hue Jackson, you’d be crazy.
 
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SixPACK said:
Hue blows. We all know that.

But let's give him a year of literally (whenever someone uses that word...serious shit..) just trying to keep a decent culture in the locker room. See if he can turn around Callaway and keep him straight. Keep Gordon on the right path. And literally blow the whistle at the right time.

He has no say in the offense/defense. Total control is on Haley/Williams. I am gonna go ahead and guess too that no QB change will be made w/o consulting Haley/Dorsey, etc.

It sucks. It 100% does.

I am suurreeee someone has asked - and they would be stupid if they didn't - but wonder if Hue has talked to Thomas to see if he would come in on some sorta role? I don't think he has received any sort of broadcasting gig yet? Thomas actually really likes Hue and bringing him in would be a massive boost to our unit.
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If you listen to the Thomahawk podcast with Joe Thomas and Andrew Hawkins, then yes, Joe has been helping coach our linemen, especially Coleman.
 
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