Hard Knocks

Triplethreat said:

How so?

Dez Bryant simply wins in one on one situations. Especially in the red zone. How is that not a good fit? We don’t have a guy you can throw the ball up to and you know he’s going to make a play in the end zone outside of *possibly* Njoku.

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Idk if you’ve watched him recently, because he doesn’t dominate 50/50 balls anymore.

I absolutely trust Landry/Gordon more to go get a ball, specifically Landry.

Triplethreat said:

How so?

Dez Bryant simply wins in one on one situations. Especially in the red zone. How is that not a good fit? We don’t have a guy you can throw the ball up to and you know he’s going to make a play in the end zone outside of *possibly* Njoku.

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Dez has not been that player for a few years. He was awful last season, and really has not been a good receiver since 2015.

-Bryant ranked in the bottom 27% for catching catchable passes via PFF data
-He had an adjusted QB rating of 74.8, which is horrendous.
-Football Outsiders has a stat - receiving plus-minus - that effectively looks at how many catches a receiver makes compared to what an average receiver would get with the same QB. Dez's rating was -7.8%, I.e., he caught the ball on 7.8% less opportunities than an average receiver would on those same opportunities.

No, he is not a guy that wins in one on one situations anymore, and he absolutely is not a guy that you throw the ball up to expecting him to catch it. He has not been that player in a long time.

ETA: Dez Bryant was targeted in the endzone 19 times last season, he caught the ball four of them, and scored two more touchdowns catching the ball outside of the endzone.

Triplethreat said:

But Gordon isn’t that guy.

He’s a burn you with speed guy, not a throw it up and I’m going to win this jump ball in the end zone guy...

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That's Njoku.

Triplethreat said:

But Gordon isn’t that guy.

He’s a burn you with speed guy, not a throw it up and I’m going to win this jump ball in the end zone guy...

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Dez Bryant is not that guy.

Matches said:

I'm with you on this. The Kizer pick left me scratching my head. Not sure exactly what CBBI is getting at with the Hue stuff, but the story I had in my head is that Sashi had dreams of finding that QB without spending a 1st rounder. He rolled dice on Kesler in the 3rd which I hated, and again on Kizer. Kizer was obviously loads more talented but both were questionable. I think they thought "we accumulate extra picks so we can take shots on QBs that present themselves on day 2. One might pan out, if not, we make our move in year 3." I get it, but tge Kizer pick in practice was indefensible. If the plan was to throw a guy out there for a sink or swim experiment, a 21 year old was not the guy to do it with. If the plan was to maybe get a look at him in the 2nd half of the season, how would that have been enough of a look to know if you needed to swing on a QB in 2018?

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I am nearly certain Hue was the driving force behind the Kizer pick.

Kizer literally fit none of the generally accepted criteria for what most Browns draft picks were under Sashi Brown.

1. Athleticism
2. College Production
3. College Experience

Kizer is a bad athlete (26.3 SPARQ) with poor production at the college level (sub 60% completions his final year) and limited experience (23 starts). If you choose to believe that Sashi Brown broke from every single piece of data that he overwhelmingly appeared to believe in when making picks to draft Kizer, then that's on you.

So he had a down year with Dak throwing him the ball...

I don’t think that makes him over the hill. Dak Prescott is really not very good.

I think Dez still has a decent amount left in the tank. Like guys really can’t have a down year sometimes...

Dez is a name only. Dude has been shit for a couple years now. And he's a pain in the ass.

Really hope the Browns don't sign him.

You can see a sharp decline in Dez’s stats once Dak gets there and replaces Romo...

But hey, let’s just ignore that Dak is just a bad passer.

Triplethreat said:

So he had a down year with Dak throwing him the ball...

I don’t think that makes him over the hill. Dak Prescott is really not very good.

I think Dez still has a decent amount left in the tank. Like guys really can’t have a down year sometimes...

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But it is... the stats adjust for Dak’s throwing.

Listen, you don’t have to believe the data, but most people that are legit analysts and use the eye-test also think he sucks. So either all of the data and professional analysts are wrong, or you are.

Triplethreat said:

How so?

Dez Bryant simply wins in one on one situations. Especially in the red zone. How is that not a good fit? We don’t have a guy you can throw the ball up to and you know he’s going to make a play in the end zone outside of *possibly* Njoku.

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WR3 behind Gordon and Landry is only going to see 60-70 *targets* on the season. You want a guy with speed who can essentially be a screens and bombs guy. A guy who can either take the top off the defense and let the more skilled WRs work in the areas the defense has vacated or a guy who is shifty and quick that can benefit from catching screens as the defense loads up on the other more talented guys.

Dez is neither. He's guy who doesn't know how to run routes that has lost his speed and isn't explosive anymore.

Triplethreat said:

You can see a sharp decline in Dez’s stats once Dak gets there and replaces Romo...

But hey, let’s just ignore that Dak is just a bad passer.

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Dak has more wins as our whole franchise since 2011 in two seasons as a pro.

jking948 said:

But it is... the stats adjust for Dak’s throwing.

Listen, you don’t have to believe the data, but most people that are legit analysts and use the eye-test also think he sucks. So either all of the data and professional analysts are wrong, or you are.

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Lol there’s no other option?? Every single professional analyst thinks Dez sucks?

Come on man.

DJTJ said:

Dak has more wins as our whole franchise since 2011 in two seasons as a pro.

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What does that have to do with literally anything? He has one of the best offensive lines and RB’s in the league and still passes for only 3,000 yards.

Either way, get ready for Bryant to be here.

We have 54 millions of unused cap space just sitting there wasting away for 2018. I fully expect Bryant to be a Cleveland Brown sometime before pre season game #3.

Triplethreat said:

Lol there’s no other option?? Every single professional analyst thinks Dez sucks?

Come on man.

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Can you show me an article written since the end of the season where the analyst argues that Dez is still a positive receiver?

There are not any I could find. There is a reason he is still a free agent. And you have given quite literally zero evidence to support your point.