Hard Knocks

[pr26]

What does that have to do with literally anything? He has one of the best offensive lines and RB’s in the league and still passes for only 3,000 yards.

If you think Dak was the problem with Dez's decline, you simply didn't watch Cowboys games the last 2 years. Dude can't get separation anymore.

 

[gijimbo]

Dez isn’t the same player he used to be, but I’m confident he could be the third best receiver on the current Browns roster and could have a better year than last season in constant single coverage, since teams will be focused on Josh and Landry.

Is there a better option in free agency?

Another scenario, what if Gordon misses time? What if Calloway misses time? Maybe if we would have snagged Eric Decker, people would have been happier, but at this point, I think we need another receiver. Dez is probably the best option left, even if he isn’t a great one.

 

[Triplethreat]

If you think Dak was the problem with Dez's decline, you simply didn't watch Cowboys games the last 2 years. Dude can't get separation anymore.

Dak has just not been that accurate. Yes, I’ve watched the Cowboys, probably more than most because I have Sunday Ticket.

And no, Dez isn’t the guy who had 1300 yards and 16 touchdowns anymore but he’s still a solid WR and a good red zone threat. We’re not bringing him here to be a stud #1.

 

[Scrote Squad]

Triplethreat is absolutely collecting bodies right now.

 

[gijimbo]

Dak has just not been that accurate. Yes, I’ve watched the Cowboys, probably more than most because I have Sunday Ticket.

And no, Dez isn’t the guy who had 1300 yards and 16 touchdowns anymore but he’s still a solid WR and a good red zone threat. We’re not bringing him here to be a stud #1.

I think he’s only 29... giving him a one-year deal that has a lot of built in incentives would give him a chance to prove himself. It’s a low-risk move. If he struggles or is an ass in the locker room, cut him. It’s not going to hurt the Browns’ flexibility moving forward, but will give us some depth and another option at a position where, frankly, we have the potential for 2 of the top 4 guys to miss games for suspensions. That’s without even considering potential injury issues.

Maybe people are more sold on Higgins and Calloway than I am, but I think the receiver room needs at least one more guy.

 

[pr26]

Dak has just not been that accurate. Yes, I’ve watched the Cowboys, probably more than most because I have Sunday Ticket.

And no, Dez isn’t the guy who had 1300 yards and 16 touchdowns anymore but he’s still a solid WR and a good red zone threat. We’re not bringing him here to be a stud #1.

Dak had a down year because the team fell apart, Zeke suspension, big injuries on the -line, etc. And frankly, Dez was apart of that too. Say what you want about Dak, but he deserves the benefit of the doubt with how he played down the stretch his rookie year. Dude would be redrafted first round, easy. Has the potential to be a bigger/stronger Russel Wilson type. Will never be Brady, but guy is a playmaker.

I think Dez is worth a flier on the cheap, but wouldn't expect much. Especially when he doesn't get force fed the ball .

 

[Triplethreat]

I think he’s only 29... giving him a one-year deal that has a lot of built in incentives would give him a chance to prove himself. It’s a low-risk move. If he struggles or is an ass in the locker room, cut him. It’s not going to hurt the Browns’ flexibility moving forward, but will give us some depth and another option at a position where, frankly, we have the potential for 2 of the top 4 guys to miss games for suspensions. That’s without even considering potential injury issues.

Maybe people are more sold on Higgins and Calloway than I am, but I think the receiver room needs at least one more guy.

There’s literally no downside in bringing him in on a one year deal. None whatsoever.

We have 54 million in unused cap. Taking a flier on Bryant doesn’t change that unless we’re talking about a multi year deal here. Which makes no sense.

After the Landry, Zeitler, etc extensions kick in, we only have 22 million in space for 2019, so Bryant isn’t going to be a long term solution. That 22 million will be used to retain our young players.

 

[natedagg]

I think he’s only 29... giving him a one-year deal that has a lot of built in incentives would give him a chance to prove himself. It’s a low-risk move. If he struggles or is an ass in the locker room, cut him. It’s not going to hurt the Browns’ flexibility moving forward, but will give us some depth and another option at a position where, frankly, we have the potential for 2 of the top 4 guys to miss games for suspensions. That’s without even considering potential injury issues.

Maybe people are more sold on Higgins and Calloway than I am, but I think the receiver room needs at least one more guy.

I don’t think Dez would be a problem (or we would cut him), BUT I think between Callaway and Higgins, we have something above average with a chance to be great already. I don’t want to sacrifice touches to Callaway, who is a breakaway threat or Higgins, who has the hands and the route running to get open while our outside receivers and Njoku garner so much attention.

Just say no to Dez.

 

[Ohio]

We all went through this a couple weeks ago...

I posted this:

Anytime you can get another Dwayne Bowe or Kenny Britt, you have to do it.

Which later prompted @The Wizard of Moz to post this:

So here are the 3 players in question prior seasons to becoming a Brown (for Dez it is his last season)

Red field means worst of the 3 for that stat, green means best, and white means middle of the pack

In short, he sucks. He'd come here causing problems and cashing checks.

Bowe. Britt. Bryant. bbb...don't do it!

 

[gijimbo]

We all went through this a couple weeks ago...

I posted this:



Which later prompted @The Wizard of Moz to post this:



In short, he sucks. He'd come here causing problems and cashing checks.

Bowe. Britt. Bryant. bbb...don't do it!

I saw this. It’s a good post, solid analysis. But, if he comes here, he’s not likely to have the exact same statistical output as last season. It would be in a different role and with much lower usage.

I can understand if people would rather see the young guys get a shot, I just don’t think they’d be a better option than Dez in this role.

Bryant had the worst year of his career last year, no doubt. But, it’s not all on him. The Cowboys were a shitshow last season and really struggled to move the ball in those games they didn’t have Zeke.

I’m just saying, a change of scenery on a one-year deal in a limited role could pay off. If he plays well, he gets more targets. If he’s trash, let the young guys compete with him and get more reps.

I don’t think competition would be a bad thing.

It would also be nice insurance for JG and Callaway and for injuries.

 

[MGMT]

He can’t separate anyone but he’ll he awesome in the red zone? So, we sign a guy to play in the red zone; opposing defenses will have no idea that’s his only purpose. And don’t tell me he can function as a decoy, lol.

 

[CBBI]

Either way, get ready for Bryant to be here.

We have 54 millions of unused cap space just sitting there wasting away for 2018. I fully expect Bryant to be a Cleveland Brown sometime before pre season game #3.

If Dez signs and Gordon DOES return, I'd be willing to bet that Dez catches less than 50 passes and gains under 650 yards.

If Gordon is here, the WR3 on this is an extremely limited role anyway.

 

[brownsbuck6]

We all went through this a couple weeks ago...

I posted this:



Which later prompted @The Wizard of Moz to post this:



In short, he sucks. He'd come here causing problems and cashing checks.

Bowe. Britt. Bryant. bbb...don't do it!

I honestly don't think that's fair, and I am at best lukewarm on the idea of bringing him in.

Dez if nothing else is a fiery competitor that wants to win games. He saw what the Browns had to offer last Thursday and immediately showed interest... he sees what alot of us see I think - a team on the verge of a breakout season. (breakout by the oh so low standards this franchise has given us)..

I think if.. and it's a big if.. he can be convinced to being the third WR and not complain about lack of targets.. he can absolutely beat 3rd and 4th CB's still. He'd no longer be WR1 that defenses key on. I'd like to believe that he sees the WR talent (Gordon and Landry) and understands where he'd fit in. He'd score TD's, that's for damn sure.

I also do not believe that any interest in Dez has anything to do with Gordon, one way or another. They are different receivers, it's not as if Dez could replace what Gordon brings. I believe it's meant to complement what is already here, hopefully including Josh.

As to why he's still available, didn't he already turn down an offer from the Rats? I'm not sure but I think I read that. If he's to be believed he's getting himself physically right and picking the right situation for him (and I think taking a veterans vacation from training camp)..

Bowe and Britt were utter losers that really were just cashing checks. Dez is potentially a headache on the field and in the lockerroom. That is the risk to be measured here IMO, but not caring or trying won't be.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

There’s literally no downside in bringing him in on a one year deal. None whatsoever.

You not seeing the downside doesn't mean there isn't a downside

This actually ties in really well with a post I've already made that I copied from the off-season thread:

Guy comes out in pretty much scorched earth mode about his prior team pretty much dragging everyone through the mud

He was a mediocre WR last year

He's a complete ego maniac cancer who would probably be one of the worst players in the league to mentor young players

This is also a guy who literally assaulted his own mother so I just don't want him on my team because he's a shitty person

He blocks development opportunities for Higgins and Calloway

My literal ass he isn't going to complain about only getting 4-5 targets per game (which is likely overestimating his role)

And what's funny is even after all those reasons people will say "I don't see a downside!!!"

I don't see an upside

 

[Triplethreat]

You not seeing the downside doesn't mean there isn't a downside

This actually ties in really well with a post I've already made that I copied from the off-season thread:

Guy comes out in pretty much scorched earth mode about his prior team pretty much dragging everyone through the mud

He was a mediocre WR last year

He's a complete ego maniac cancer who would probably be one of the worst players in the league to mentor young players

This is also a guy who literally assaulted his own mother so I just don't want him on my team because he's a shitty person

He blocks development opportunities for Higgins and Calloway

My literal ass he isn't going to complain about only getting 4-5 targets per game (which is likely overestimating his role)

And what's funny is even after all those reasons people will say "I don't see a downside!!!"

I don't see an upside

Well you might as well get ready because clearly Dorsey doesn’t agree with you or he wouldn’t even bother bringing him in for a visit.