Hard Knocks

[The Human Q-Tip]

Sure we could get another Schurmer, Mangini, Chud, or HS Mike, but no successful or top assistant would take it. There are like 5 jobs that open every year and we will be last on that list every year from the top guys.

If it's such a shitty job, why would a well-respected, prime OC like Haley have come here to take an assistant's job?

Dorsey himself coming here proved the falsity of "only the bottom of the barrel will come here."

 

[Mr. Orange]

If it's such a shitty job, why would a well-respected, prime OC like Haley have come here to take an assistant's job?

Dorsey himself coming here proved the falsity of "only the bottom of the barrel will come here."

Well if Haley is so well respected and prime, why was he fired? How do you know this wasn't the only job he was offered?

 

[CBBI]

Bonus content - If we were tanking for a top QB, why waste a second rounder on Kizer? That was the moment I turned on The Tank. Tank right or don't tank at all.

I don’t think you want the real answer to this.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Well if Haley is so well respected and prime, why was he fired? How do you know this wasn't the only job he was offered?

Coaches and assistants are fired all the time. And sure, this may have been the only offensive coordinator job he was offered, but he took it because they are highly coveted, and there aren't all that many of them.

Which is the exact same reason someone would take the head coaching job - because they are highly coveted and there aren't many of them.

Why else do you think Dorsey took this job?

 

[CBBI]

I don’t think you want the real answer to this.

In case this was too cryptic...

 

[I'mWithDan]

In case this was too cryptic...

"Gotta trust me on this one" - Cody Kessler's Dad

 

[Matches]

Bonus content - If we were tanking for a top QB, why waste a second rounder on Kizer? That was the moment I turned on The Tank. Tank right or don't tank at all.

I'm with you on this. The Kizer pick left me scratching my head. Not sure exactly what CBBI is getting at with the Hue stuff, but the story I had in my head is that Sashi had dreams of finding that QB without spending a 1st rounder. He rolled dice on Kesler in the 3rd which I hated, and again on Kizer. Kizer was obviously loads more talented but both were questionable. I think they thought "we accumulate extra picks so we can take shots on QBs that present themselves on day 2. One might pan out, if not, we make our move in year 3." I get it, but tge Kizer pick in practice was indefensible. If the plan was to throw a guy out there for a sink or swim experiment, a 21 year old was not the guy to do it with. If the plan was to maybe get a look at him in the 2nd half of the season, how would that have been enough of a look to know if you needed to swing on a QB in 2018?

 

[I'mWithDan]

I'm with you on this. The Kizer pick left me scratching my head. Not sure exactly what CBBI is getting at with the Hue stuff, but the story I had in my head is that Sashi had dreams of finding that QB without spending a 1st rounder. He rolled dice on Kesler in the 3rd which I hated, and again on Kizer. Kizer was obviously loads more talented but both were questionable. I think they thought "we accumulate extra picks so we can take shots on QBs that present themselves on day 2. One might pan out, if not, we make our move in year 3." I get it, but tge Kizer pick in practice was indefensible. If the plan was to throw a guy out there for a sink or swim experiment, a 21 year old was not the guy to do it with. If the plan was to maybe get a look at him in the 2nd half of the season, how would that have been enough of a look to know if you needed to swing on a QB in 2018?

Kizer just strikes me as the front office equivalent of hero ball. Same thing with Kessler.

The franchise seemed to be executing a plan of delaying draft capital investment in a signal caller, to hoard draft assets and then would just fart out some weird QB selection here and there.

I think there just wasn't enough discipline is the likely answer and I'd imagine Hue played a large part in that with some "how am I gonna win without this guy" wining.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

You guys are overthinking the Kizer pick. Whoever was evaluating QB prospects for the Browns didn't see a franchise caliber guy available when we picked. Obviously, we missed on Wentz.

After not taking a guy at the top of the draft, they saw another QB slip to the point where they considered him a value pick, so they took him. Again, we don't know how much input the Quarterback Whisperer Hue had, but using a mid-late second round pick on a QB prospect who needed some developmental time isn't a big deal. He didn't work out, but then lots of quarterbacks taken there and even higher don't work out. It's not an exact science.

Sashi's ultimate plan for QB was pretty clear. If he couldn't get a value pick to work out, he was going to horde assets until he saw someone he really liked, then take him -- using accumulated draft capital if necessary to move up.

 

[Jordan]

Does anybody actually like Dez? What position do we want him filling? He cannot be a slot guy and is no longer fast enough to play out wide. Why the interest?

 

[CBBI]

Does anybody actually like Dez? What position do we want him filling? He cannot be a slot guy and is no longer fast enough to play out wide. Why the interest?

I have zero interest in Dez unless Gordon is gonna miss the entire season.

The 3rd WR behind Gordon and Landry is a very specialized, low target role.

Bryant isn't a good fit both skill set wise or attitude wise for type of spot.

 

[Triplethreat]

I have zero interest in Dez unless Gordon is gonna miss the entire season.

The 3rd WR behind Gordon and Landry is a very specialized, low target role.

Bryant isn't a good fit both skill set wise or attitude wise for type of spot.

How so?

Dez Bryant simply wins in one on one situations. Especially in the red zone. How is that not a good fit? We don’t have a guy you can throw the ball up to and you know he’s going to make a play in the end zone outside of *possibly* Njoku.

 

[dark2332]

How so?

Dez Bryant simply wins in one on one situations. Especially in the red zone. How is that not a good fit? We don’t have a guy you can throw the ball up to and you know he’s going to make a play in the end zone outside of *possibly* Njoku.

Josh Gordon.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Josh Gordon.

We may or may not have him. The Josh Gordon thread has been noticeably...quiet.

That being said, I'm not convinced Dez Bryant is that guy either. Not any more.

 

[Triplethreat]

Josh Gordon.

But Gordon isn’t that guy.

He’s a burn you with speed guy, not a throw it up and I’m going to win this jump ball in the end zone guy...