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Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

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AZ_ said:
He’s getting killed out there.

But the talent has been obvious.
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Dude's completing 54% of his passes and has more interceptions than touchdowns. I don't care if the talent is there. Until he actually starts utilizing it, he has no place in a debate about who the best young QB is. It would be like including Goff on the list during his rookie year. He was awful his rookie year and didn't deserve it.

I liked Rosen a lot, but putting him in the same breath as Baker Mayfield right now after we've seen them play is ridiculous.
 
Rosen is where baker was per kitchens. They put him in a terrible position. Byron fucking leftwich is calling plays for him because they fired one of the worst OCs in the game mike mccoy. Just criminal what they did to him to start his career.
 
FrontPageNews said:
Rosen is where baker was per kitchens. They put him in a terrible position. Byron fucking leftwich is calling plays for him because they fired one of the worst OCs in the game mike mccoy. Just criminal what they did to him to start his career.
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Even with the terrible playcalling under Hue and Haley, Baker was still playing significantly better than Rosen has this year.

I think we can all agree that Rosen isn't in a great situation, but calling him one of the best young QBs in the game already is just laughable. He hasn't been good. If he makes the leap next year, I'll happily put him on that list, but from what I've seen this year he's not even worthy of an honorable mention just yet.

Right now, though, there is absolutely zero chance that anyone competent would trade Baker for Rosen, and that tells you all you need to know. If the Cardinals called and offered that trade, they'd be laughed off the phone. "Sorry, but you got the wrong number there, buddy boy!"
 
Triple-S said:
I want to give the mantle to Mahomes, Goff...etc.
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chrisrich91 said:
Wentz has been less than stellar this year.

Could be due to losing Frank Reich and John DeFilippo, could be due to shaky pass protection, could be due to coming off the injury...either way I think Baker has done more with less recently as a rookie in comparison to 3rd year Wentz.
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I think Wentz isn't fully healed, I am going to wait till next year to fully figure how Wentz will be going to be going forward.
 
AZ_ said:
He’s getting killed out there.

But the talent has been obvious.
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I watch allot of Rosen living in Phoenix and agree Rosen has been good for a rookie that is not getting blocked for.

That said he is clearly behind Baker by allot and this coming from a guy who thought Rosen was by far the best QB in the draft.

If you do a redraft, how do you rank the top 5 rookie QB's before the draft and now after the draft?

Here I mine.

Before:
Rosen
Darnold
Baker
Lamar
(Gap)
Allen

After:
Baker
(Gap)
Rosen
Lamar
Darnold
(Gap)
Allen
 
Triplethreat said:
I’ll rock with Brady until he shows me he’s not going to the super bowl every single year
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I think he's the greatest of all-time. Personally, but I think he's definitely showed diminish skills this year.

He can't really throw anymore. Everything is dink an dunk. Or crossing routes with Gronk up the middle. He's still obviously good, but not what he was.

I think everyone still wants to put him up there because of name and past accomplishments. When in reality he's been kinda meh this year.
 
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godfather said:
I think he's the greatest of all-time. Personally, but I think he's definitely showed diminish skills this year.

He can't really throw anymore. Everything is dink an dunk. Or crossing routes with Gronk up the middle. He's still obviously good, but not what he was.

I think everyone still wants to put him up there because of name and pass accomplishments. When in reality he's been kinda meh this year.
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Funny typo. I am sure you meant past accomplishments but pass accomplishments works too, lol.
 
Jack Brickman said:
Dude's completing 54% of his passes and has more interceptions than touchdowns. I don't care if the talent is there. Until he actually starts utilizing it, he has no place in a debate about who the best young QB is. It would be like including Goff on the list during his rookie year. He was awful his rookie year and didn't deserve it.

I liked Rosen a lot, but putting him in the same breath as Baker Mayfield right now after we've seen them play is ridiculous.
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He had accuracy issues in college and that doesn't translate well into the next level. Windows are tighter and you need to be more precise.

And you can't teach accuracy. You either have it, or don't. It's always my biggest red flag with a QB when they don't have it.

I never liked him personally. I like accurate QBs, and he's just never going to be that accurate.

I liked Darnold much better than him. And still do. I think he'll be the better of the two between Rosen and himself.
 
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godfather said:
He had accuracy issues in college and that doesn't translate well into the next level. Windows are tighter and you need to be more precise.

And you can't teach accuracy. You either have it, or don't. It's always my biggest red flag with a QB when they don't have it.

I never liked him personally. I like accurate QBs, and he's just never going to be that accurate.

I liked Darnold much better than him. And still do. I think he'll be the better of the two between Rosen and himself.
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I agree 100% about accuracy translating, if you cant complete 60% of your passes in college I would not draft you. But Rosen was over 60% 2 of 3 years in college including his last year and finished at 61%. He played in a prostyle offense so I was ok with the 61% because he didn't have as many "easy" throws as most college QB's.

That said, I hugely discounted Baker's accomplishments because of the offense he played in and how bad defense is in the Big 12. I was wrong on Baker for sure.
 
Lee said:
I agree 100% about accuracy translating, if you cant complete 60% of your passes in college I would not draft you. But Rosen was over 60% 2 of 3 years in college including his last year and finished at 61%. He played in a prostyle offense so I was ok with the 61% because he didn't have as many "easy" throws as most college QB's.

That said, I hugely discounted Baker's accomplishments because of the offense he played in and how bad defense is in the Big 12. I was wrong on Baker for sure.
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Didn't follow him closely and obviously there can be variable factors into why his percentage wasn't great.

But his numbers weren't that impressive for a guy touted so highlty. Mahomes didn't complete a really, really high percentage either (for college standards), but was playing more like a gunslinger throwing the ball over the field and taking more chances.

Rosen last year 26 TDs with 10 picks (kinda high), just 3,000 yards... I don't know, just kinda vanilla to me.

Again, I don't follow college football closely. Maybe the team was horrific. I know UCLA hasn't exactly been blowing the doors off lately.

Still, I think not completely at least 65% in college, where the windows are so much larger than in the NFL is always concerning to me.
 
Right now Rosen completing just 54% of his passes. I don't expect that for his career. But its going to be highly unlikely he's a 65% passer in the NFL.

In today's game, if you're not, then you're not that good. It's purely a passing league now and you need efficient passers.

More than half the league completes at least that now. Big Ben is 20th in completion percentage and is right at 66%

So, its a big deal.
 
MGMT said:
it’s not that outlandish of a comment.
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Some people just have a difficult time with change

If you can watch both QBs and just this season and not come to the conclusion that Mahommes is significantly better than you might as well just watch tennis or something
 
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