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2019 Draft Prospects Thread

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Where do we think Dre'mont Jones will fall? I know we have deficiencies in our secondary and LB, but every time I watched OSU last fall Jones just stood out head and shoulders above everyone else IMO. Would love to have him next to Garrett and Ogunjobi. I'm confident that he and ogunjobi could consistently win the 1 on 1 matchups that playing with a great edge rusher would provide.

Sheldon Richardson die?

In all seriousness, I like Dre'Mont too. Mainly because of two things...

1) I'm a homer
2) There's a sizable drop off in talent from the two starters (Richardson/Ogunjobi) to the depth guys behind them (Coley/Davis/Price/Lawrence). It would be nice to have one young guy with upside to get rotational snaps.
 
Our run defense needs upgraded, no doubt. Do we sell the farm to Oakland if Quinnen William's or Ed Oliver are there at 4? Throw in Duke Johnson with a combination of our picks? Don't know what gets it done but with the number of 1st round picks Oakland has, I'd have to believe they'll be the most likely to deal... think Duke fills a need for them and we've got a plethora of picks to deal....

I don’t know, man. Oakland really needs to use that early-round capital on injecting talent into the roster; I actually think they’ve done well with their offseason thus far but the draft is a different affair.

At this point, I think trading into the first round is going to be difficult; too-5? From where we sit? Borderline impossible. I don’t want to be arrogant as a fan, but I doubt front offices see our 2020 pick as a likely top-5 like they would in year’s past. it’s going to have less allure as trade value.

What separates Dorsey from the GM pack is capturing value and good players in the middle rounds; he still has plenty of toys to play with this year. Don’t feel remiss when we miss out on the draft’s super elite talent.

But I will say this: perhaps an excess amount of quarterbacks go in the first due to the position’s inelasticity. This is bound to shove good prospects to the bottom of the first. If that happens, then trading up from 49 might not seem like such a reach.
 
Dre'Mont seems to fit the DT mold that Dorsey likes. He wants penetrators--guys that can make plays in the backfield. He doesn't really draft run stuffing DT's, and in today's NFL, I think that's the route you need to go.

There's zero chance of us trading up into the top 5 of this draft--especially if Quinnen Williams is still on the board :chuckle:

DL is still a great position to draft this year because we are shallow at the position, and this year is the best DL class in recent memory.
 
Dre'Mont seems to fit the DT mold that Dorsey likes. He wants penetrators--guys that can make plays in the backfield. He doesn't really draft run stuffing DT's, and in today's NFL, I think that's the route you need to go.

This was my thinking for drafting Jones. However our biggest threats in the division being Pitt and Balt always seem to gash us with their run game.

I realize trading in to the top 5 is a pipe dream, but I also feel like we are one of the few teams with the capital to do it... do I think we will, no. I don't envision us trading back into the first round at all, but it's a fun conversation to have.
 
kid is going to struggle to be face of the franchise. just doesn't light up when the camera's roll. In today's NFL u need ur QBs to control the press room. It helps the team in the locker room.

He isn't built like Mayfield. he can probably throw like him but I wouldn't want this kid getting hit much.

His father was a top of line jerk and usually they apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

I don't know the kid at all -- Murray may end up being really special. That being said, it's almost like the pendulum has swung back the wrong way with QB bias - that Mayfield's success in transitioning from OU to the NFL means that Murray -- an even more "undersized" QB -- will do the same. Athletic ability aside, Mayfield was kind of special in 3 ways, all of which help him be successful at the pro level;

1) Exceptionally strong leadership qualities;

2) Extraordinarily hard worker with chip on his shoulder;

3) Started 44 games in college.

I can't say much about 1) and 2) with respect to Murray -- I just don't know. I'm just saying that those are very important qualities for a QB, and should be factored into any Murray/Mayfield comparision or evaluation. 3) is clear -- Murray has exactly 14 college starts, so he is far less experienced than was Mayfield coming out of college.

I'm not saying that Murray won't be great. I'm just saying that those are important issues that have to be considered before projecting how likely it is that Murray can emulate Mayfield's success.
 
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This was my thinking for drafting Jones. However our biggest threats in the division being Pitt and Balt always seem to gash us with their run game.

I realize trading in to the top 5 is a pipe dream, but I also feel like we are one of the few teams with the capital to do it... do I think we will, no. I don't envision us trading back into the first round at all, but it's a fun conversation to have.

Despite all the record passing numbers, the playoffs were also strongly decided by the run game. New England and LA had the greatest success when they were gashing teams in the run game--and struggled when it was bottled up.

The thing is, you can't afford to have a run-stopping specialist anywhere on the field. Coaches nowadays will see that matchup, go to hurry-up, and pass on you up and down the field, refusing to let you sub. If you want to stop the run, you need to scheme against it rather than relying on the lumbering DT's of yesteryear. That's where NE won the Super Bowl in my opinion. They absolutely shut Gurley and the LA run game down, making Goff beat them--and Goff isn't good enough to do that if McVay's scheme gets gunked up.

If we don't get a Dre'Mont Jones, I think guys like Khalen Saunders and Trysten Hill could be in play on day 3.
 
I don't know the kid at all -- Murray may end up being really special. That being said, it's almost like the pendulum has swung back the wrong way with QB bias - that Mayfield's success in transitioning from OU to the NFL means that Murray -- an even more "undersized" QB -- will do the same. Athletic ability aside, Mayfield was kind of special in 3 ways, all of which help him be successful at the pro level;

1) Exceptionally strong leadership qualities;

2) Extraordinarily hard worker with chip on his shoulder;

3) Started 44 games in college.

I can't say much about 1) and 2) with respect to Murray -- I just don't know. I'm just saying that those are very important qualities for a QB, and should be factored into any Murray/Mayfield comparision or evaluation. 3) is clear -- Murray has exactly 14 college starts, so he is far less experienced than was Mayfield coming out of college.

I'm not saying that Murray won't be great. I'm just saying that those are important issues that have to be considered before projecting how likely it is that Murray can emulate Mayfield's success.
I also think it's important to note that Mayfield is not a great athlete, but he's elite in the cerebral aspects of the game. His board work and recall were absolutely special according to everyone who met with him pre-draft. That was something that we clearly saw in his rookie season as he grasped the offense quickly--becoming a master of it to the point that he felt comfortable working a defense. He also entered the league at 23 as a four-year starter. Those things helped him overcome the size limitations. Drew Brees and Russell Wilson are similar to Baker in this regard.

Murray was great in college and came from the same system. However, as you say, he does not have nearly the same level of experience under his belt. There were also numerous reports out of the combine that his board work was less than impressive, noted by some harsh feedback passed along from Charley Casserly (who I'm not a fan of in terms of his opinions, but he is well-connected).

He's a much better athlete, but it's yet to be determined how the rest translates given his size. How quickly does he pick up an NFL system and adjust to how NFL defenses mush the rush on him, turning him into a pocket passer? What about larger NFL defenders getting pressure in his face? We just don't know until it happens, as much as we try to project.

It will certainly help him if he goes to Arizona given that system is going to be heavy on similar concepts to what he runs now.

It's just not as simple as "a few short quarterbacks have worked now so size doesn't matter." It still comes down to avoiding hits and learning how to manipulate a defense within your offensive scheme, which requires mastery of it. He could get there, but I think it's important to note Baker's age and experience level when he entered the league versus Kyler's.

It's also easier to see from the pocket at 6'05 than 5'10, even if you are mostly looking through throwing lanes.
 
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This was my thinking for drafting Jones. However our biggest threats in the division being Pitt and Balt always seem to gash us with their run game.

I realize trading in to the top 5 is a pipe dream, but I also feel like we are one of the few teams with the capital to do it... do I think we will, no. I don't envision us trading back into the first round at all, but it's a fun conversation to have.
To be fair, I think that type of gashing is happening in the secondary, and not at the LOS. It's why I've always said that a linebacker would do more to help our run defense, especially after signing Richardson, than another DT.
 
Yo, if he really falls out of the first round, the Browns should be there to gobble him up.

He's the perfect sub/rush guy to backup Myles.
 
Sounds like Darnell Savage is getting a ton of heat in that back half of the first round.

Really sucks, one of my favorite players in this class. So under appreciated but plays with so much heat, always making plays and taking direct lines to ball carriers from the safety position.
 
Ahhh Draft Week. Here’s my routine:

I start by talking about discipline, being level headed, Dorsey can find the diamonds in the rough.

This must have already happened bc I am clearly in phase II already: thinking about using all picks beyond the top 3 rounds to get as many picks inside of the top 3 rounds as possible. Like this year I want about 4 2nd rounders. Doesn’t matter that it isn’t possible, doesn’t matter that I don’t even know who I’d take, the important thing is that it’s what I want.

Draft day this year will be weird. The usual draft routine, especially after our top pick, is to be befuddled by who we took, especially in the later rounds, then talk myself into them bc they are on the team, and then just end with something like “Dorsey is awesome, this is his job, they must be awesome.”

Then I get worried that the Ravens/Steelers got someone “nasty” who is going to terrorize us forever.

Then I come to RCF for my opinion to be made for me, and this year, no matter who we get, I am going to be stoked for the season.

Want Layne, a thumper safety, LB, no particular order, with our top 3 round picks.
 
I don't know the kid at all -- Murray may end up being really special. That being said, it's almost like the pendulum has swung back the wrong way with QB bias - that Mayfield's success in transitioning from OU to the NFL means that Murray -- an even more "undersized" QB -- will do the same. Athletic ability aside, Mayfield was kind of special in 3 ways, all of which help him be successful at the pro level;

1) Exceptionally strong leadership qualities;

2) Extraordinarily hard worker with chip on his shoulder;

3) Started 44 games in college.

I can't say much about 1) and 2) with respect to Murray -- I just don't know. I'm just saying that those are very important qualities for a QB, and should be factored into any Murray/Mayfield comparision or evaluation. 3) is clear -- Murray has exactly 14 college starts, so he is far less experienced than was Mayfield coming out of college.

I'm not saying that Murray won't be great. I'm just saying that those are important issues that have to be considered before projecting how likely it is that Murray can emulate Mayfield's success.

Honestly, eventually there will be a too small and not sure Kyler isn't it. Baker measured a bit over 6 feet, closer to 6'1", while 6'3" is prototypical, that real isn't far off, at 5'10. that is another al most 3 inches shorter.

I just think Baker is a bad comparison for a "short" qb because he is not that short. Wilson is the best comp and he is still an inch taller at 5'11. Now that is a tough QB to live up to as he is a top 3 or so qb in the league. I would say right now if you take out the seniors (Brees and Brady) we have Mahommes, Wilson, Rodgers, then the next group is Baker, Luck and some others.

My point is the NFL is a copy cat league, but hoping for Wilson level success is a huge gamble. Just not that high on Kyler, but of course I could be wrong
 

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