yes it's critical to adjust for pace. Especially when you have two teams that are horrible fast break teams and rarely push the pace.
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2023 NBA Playoffs 1st Round: Cavs vs. Knicks
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yes it's critical to adjust for pace. Especially when you have two teams that are horrible fast break teams and rarely push the pace.
winning a game 6 in MSG would be a huge step in the maturation of this team. If we can even take it to game 7 I think we win, but right now not sure we can take it to game 6.
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mitchell is about to take over I have a gut feeling
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This is the 4th HC that Koby has had. There has to be some overarching offensive and defensive philosophy that the organization believes in to build a team. You need to have types of players and attributes that fit into a way of playing basketball in the modern NBA.
I'm not saying that Koby should be building up plays or a system, that's JBB's job but Koby needs an overhead view of what he wants the team to be.
I didn't realize the previous post I made was in the game thread when I was replying. It really doesn't fit. JBB deserves a lot this blame. I was more replying what stuff Koby deserves blame for too. I don't think it's "either or" between Koby and JBB, there is a lot of fault between both of them.
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What's annoying about all this, is if Mitchell just had a sub-average game the last game, we would have likely won. It's annoying how many shots he's missing. He's 5 of 18 in a big game just isn't good enough and he only went to the line one time. Like did he throw the game or something? His style of play was so far from feeling good.
I also thought maybe Garland turned a corner game 2, how wrong. What is with that dude? Where is the confidence? It's like he has to remind himself all the time that he's actually really damn good.
I also thought maybe Garland turned a corner game 2, how wrong. What is with that dude? Where is the confidence? It's like he has to remind himself all the time that he's actually really damn good.
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This is where I want to respond to the people calling me out for referring to the Cavs as "Portland East"....I do so because it was reported more than once that the Cavs wanted to emulate Portland's model of a dynamic two-guard lineup. Here's three articles:
https://cavaliersnation.com/2020/06...-mccollum-model-darius-garland-collin-sexton/
https://usports.org/cleveland-caval...trail-blazers-model-to-shape-young-backcourt/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/evanda...d-cavaliers-are-striving-for/?sh=678a0b072245
If you look at how Koby has prioritized the guard positions, through the draft and with the Mitchell trade, combined with how badly you know Gilbert has wanted to qualify for the playoffs without LeBron, this makes perfect sense. I understand that Portland never had a Mobley on the backline, but we're seeing this model in action, and right now the results don't look pretty if you're expecting playoff fruit to be borne.
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Darius has always (well at least as a Cav) had confidence issues. It wanes at times and is unpredictable. It’s something that he needs to work on. The good thing is we’ve seen him be resilient over a long period of time. He’s gotta find a way to get out of his own head under pressure.
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He’ll be fine with more experience. He responded in Game 2 and silenced the crowd in Q3 yesterday after a brutal start. I’m not worried about him at all but he needs time.
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The system sucks but the actual offensive personnel is probably at the bottom of the 16 playoff teams too?
You have e exactly two above average offensive players in this whole rotation.
Two.
So the offense was always going to struggle once the intensity picked up and teams specifically dared us to beat them by shooting. We don't have good offensive prmersonnel.
But it shouldn't be THIS bad. We shouldn't be down 3-1 when the other team can't score more than 100.
You have e exactly two above average offensive players in this whole rotation.
Two.
So the offense was always going to struggle once the intensity picked up and teams specifically dared us to beat them by shooting. We don't have good offensive prmersonnel.
But it shouldn't be THIS bad. We shouldn't be down 3-1 when the other team can't score more than 100.
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We’re third worst O rating at 104.3. Game 3 was 86.1 which is horrible.
D rating is 108.8. Fifth best. Those ratings factor out pace although I think higher pace makes it easier to score per possession. Clearly our offense is crap so the decent defense isn’t enough.
But the hilarious part is that the two worst offensive teams are the Nets and the Sixers. You would think that Embiid, Harden, Maxey and Harris would be enough but that team is weird. I think the Celtics will expose them.
Sometimes I think Koby’s philosophy is just “best player available”/“bargain hunting”
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Had we won Game 1 we'd be right on track; tied 2-2 and two of the remaining three at home. We lost Game 1 because JBB put in Wade and Rubio, who clearly aren't up for this. Rubio was -9 in six minutes and Wade was a disastrous -14 in seven. We lost by four points, 101-97.
After 82 games JBB should know the best rotation, in fact, he talked about reducing it to fewer players for the playoffs. In Game 2 Wade and Rubio did not play and we won by 27. I think JBB putting in Wade and Rubio cost us the first game and it may cost the series.
The reason for optimism is that despite playing on the road and Mitchell having the "second or third" worst game of his career we only lost by 9 points, and that's also with the Knicks getting 17 offensive rebounds. If Mitchell just has a normal game, nothing spectacular, say 20 points and 3 turnovers instead of 11 points and 6 turnovers we win Game 4.
There's no reason we can't win Games 5 if we go with the same lineup as Game 2. There's no reason we can't win Game 6 if Mitchell just has a normal game. Also, Garland only scored 2 points in the first half Sunday because he sat out a lot of it due to foul trouble. Then he scored 21 in the second half.
This isn't over yet. If the Cavs win Wednesday it will put a lot of pressure on the Knicks in Game 6. But Bickerstaff needs to make better decisions.
After 82 games JBB should know the best rotation, in fact, he talked about reducing it to fewer players for the playoffs. In Game 2 Wade and Rubio did not play and we won by 27. I think JBB putting in Wade and Rubio cost us the first game and it may cost the series.
The reason for optimism is that despite playing on the road and Mitchell having the "second or third" worst game of his career we only lost by 9 points, and that's also with the Knicks getting 17 offensive rebounds. If Mitchell just has a normal game, nothing spectacular, say 20 points and 3 turnovers instead of 11 points and 6 turnovers we win Game 4.
There's no reason we can't win Games 5 if we go with the same lineup as Game 2. There's no reason we can't win Game 6 if Mitchell just has a normal game. Also, Garland only scored 2 points in the first half Sunday because he sat out a lot of it due to foul trouble. Then he scored 21 in the second half.
This isn't over yet. If the Cavs win Wednesday it will put a lot of pressure on the Knicks in Game 6. But Bickerstaff needs to make better decisions.
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Effort and teamwork don't count as an offensive philosophy?!?!
Two things (besides some awful games by DG, DM, and JA) are killing us this series. Rebounding and hustle. Actually... hustle and rebounding - in that order. Who hustles and is physical on this team more than Lamar Stevens? Listen, I'm not a Lamar fanboy, he's mediocre at best. But he did single handedly win us a game late in the season - purely on effort/rebounding. We are getting killed, and I mean killed in the hustle department. And our best "hustler" is not playing 1 minute. And all of a sudden... Cedi is playing more consistent minutes than he did all season. Play Lamar over Cedi - it would go a long way in solving a lot of problems.
Side note: letting Kevin Love go was the right thing - he was/is washed. The mistake was not replacing him with a big that can actually rebound/defend. I said it multiple times then... and I'll say it now. Moses Brown should have been signed. Same concept as Lamar. Is Moses anything special? Of course not. But he rebounds at a higher rate than 99% of the league (look up his per 36 numbers... it's a fact). Moses could have given us 10-16 minutes a night of hustle/rebounding.
Side note: letting Kevin Love go was the right thing - he was/is washed. The mistake was not replacing him with a big that can actually rebound/defend. I said it multiple times then... and I'll say it now. Moses Brown should have been signed. Same concept as Lamar. Is Moses anything special? Of course not. But he rebounds at a higher rate than 99% of the league (look up his per 36 numbers... it's a fact). Moses could have given us 10-16 minutes a night of hustle/rebounding.
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I didn't mind trying to go with the trailblazers model early on with Sexton and Garland. Those were the first two draft picks of the era. The problem was not learning off what Portland did and trying to build it into our model. The blazers kept trying to bring in short term bandaid fixes at wing. When they finally had a wing with some promise in Gary Trent Jr, they traded him for Norman Powell.
We somehow have run out of assets even before getting to the stage of trying to bring in mediocre wings.
I thought the triple towers & Garland plus Sexton and LeVert could have been an precursor to something that evolved the Trail blazers model. Those 6 players and a true SF or two might have been the flexibility we needed to match up with anyone.
Trading for Mitchell was like saying I think we need to be the Blazer of the east and their model didn't need evolving.