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2023 NBA Playoffs 1st Round: Cavs vs. Knicks

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What will the series result be?

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I thought we would win the series.....in a grind. But I saw the regular season losses. It's not a surprise.
 
HammerGold said:
If anyone in the media argues against firing JB, ask this simple question: do you think the Cavs lose in 5 games if we have Thibs and the Knicks have JB?
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Fire?

But we won 51 games this season!

Lets give him another extension.
 
HammerGold said:
If anyone in the media argues against firing JB, ask this simple question: do you think the Cavs lose in 5 games if we have Thibs and the Knicks have JB?
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Thibs would have made a huge difference here. When Allen stunk he could have brought in......, okay forgot that one. At least we could replace Mobley with........., okay forget that one too. At least when knew we had good wings......., maybe not that either. Surely Thibs would have told Mitchell and Garland to shoot better.......
Deck chairs on the Titanic.
 
You can pin that series on a lot of people or whoever you want.

Allen was awful. About as bad as one would have imagined.

Mobley was terrible offensively. But, I'll be honest, I very much expected that at his age, at this point in his development.

Donovan Mitchell? I mean, they didn't trade the farm for THAT performance. That was terrible.



But really, it's on the coach and the GM who both extended the coach and failed to find shooting in both the off-season and regular season. He banked on Dean Wade and Dean Wade left him high and dry. They were counting on Rubio, and Rubio was a shell of himself.

The players shoulder some of the blame, but this is not how you build a modern NBA roster. With a bunch of small guards and two non-spacing bigs. You NEED quality shooting. Not just A guy. Multiple guys.

They didn't get one at the deadline. They didn't get one in the offseason. And they, as was very predictable, got gameplanned into oblivion in their first postseason series.



And then there's the coach. This man..........this man had a game 2 formula and immediately went away from it in game 3.

Moreover, his ability to recognize whats going on and change his plan on the fly is abysmal. He kept blitzing Brunson over and over and over and almost every fucking time it ended up in a wide open shot for a good shooter and if that shooter happened to miss it left Robinson in position for an offensive rebound.


Like, Allen didn't fight NEARLY hard enough, but half of those Robinson rebounds were directly because one of the bigs was somewhere on the corner scrambling to cover a shooter after doubling Brunson and then the other big was inevitably left to defend the rim all alone against a guy driving right at him. And there's Robinson, unchecked.


The incredibly maddening part is in the middle of the third he went away from it. He started switching. And it was working. Brunson missed multiple shots in a row. The Cavs got the rebounds.


But they didn't close the gap because our "star" guards went on a turnover spree and gave up a shitlaod of free points on the break.


But still, the actual half-court defensive adjustment was working. ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNDDDDDD he went away from it.


I'll be honest, guys. I think we still lose this series even with a better coach. Mobley was too green and didn't trust himself. This is the first high pressure series Garland has ever played. He was hurt in college and a 1 and done player while Brunson is about as seasoned as a 26 year old can be at this point. Deep march runs after years under a great college coach. Deep playoff runs after that.

I'm ok with those two coming up short. This time. Not next time. But this time.

So, I still think they lose this series with a better coach.


but that doesn't absolve the coach being ass. He's been ass at all of his other stops and he's still ass. He's had enough chances to prove he belongs. He does not.

For the love of god, fire this man.

/rant
 
We scored 95 points, in a close out game, at home, with our bench doing okay, and a starting backcourt of Garland/Mitchell.
 
Rich said:
You can pin that series on a lot of people or whoever you want.

Allen was awful. About as bad as one would have imagined.

Mobley was terrible offensively. But, I'll be honest, I very much expected that at his age, at this point in his development.

Donovan Mitchell? I mean, they didn't trade the farm for THAT performance. That was terrible.



But really, it's on the coach and the GM who both extended the coach and failed to find shooting in both the off-season and regular season. He banked on Dean Wade and Dean Wade left him high and dry. They were counting on Rubio, and Rubio was a shell of himself.

The players shoulder some of the blame, but this is not how you build a modern NBA roster. With a bunch of small guards and two non-spacing bigs. You NEED quality shooting. Not just A guy. Multiple guys.

They didn't get one at the deadline. They didn't get one in the offseason. And they, as was very predictable, got gameplanned into oblivion in their first postseason series.



And then there's the coach. This man..........this man had a game 2 formula and immediately went away from it in game 3.

Moreover, his ability to recognize whats going on and change his plan on the fly is abysmal. He kept blitzing Brunson over and over and over and almost every fucking time it ended up in a wide open shot for a good shooter and if that shooter happened to miss it left Robinson in position for an offensive rebound.


Like, Allen didn't fight NEARLY hard enough, but half of those Robinson rebounds were directly because one of the bigs was somewhere on the corner scrambling to cover a shooter after doubling Brunson and then the other big was inevitably left to defend the rim all alone against a guy driving right at him. And there's Robinson, unchecked.


The incredibly maddening part is in the middle of the third he went away from it. He started switching. And it was working. Brunson missed multiple shots in a row. The Cavs got the rebounds.


But they didn't close the gap because our "star" guards went on a turnover spree and gave up a shitlaod of free points on the break.


But still, the actual half-court defensive adjustment was working. ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNDDDDDD he went away from it.


I'll be honest, guys. I think we still lose this series even with a better coach. Mobley was too green and didn't trust himself. This is the first high pressure series Garland has ever played. He was hurt in college and a 1 and done player while Brunson is about as seasoned as a 26 year old can be at this point. Deep march runs after years under a great college coach. Deep playoff runs after that.

I'm ok with those two coming up short. This time. Not next time. But this time.

So, I still think they lose this series with a better coach.


but that doesn't absolve the coach being ass. He's been ass at all of his other stops and he's still ass. He's had enough chances to prove he belongs. He does not.

For the love of god, fire this man.

/rant
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Dean Wade played 7 minutes in Game 1 and never saw the floor again.
 
dms said:
Thibs would have made a huge difference here. When Allen stunk he could have brought in......, okay forgot that one. At least we could replace Mobley with........., okay forget that one too. At least when knew we had good wings......., maybe not that either. Surely Thibs would have told Mitchell and Garland to shoot better.......
Deck chairs on the Titanic.
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A better coach would have a better scheme to exploit the opposition and/or minimize weaknesses

A TON of those offensive boards were schemed by Cavs' defensive rotations

Mobley played fine, he just has absolutely no role on this offense, along with seemingly everyone else
 
Also let's flip the script, for you JBB supporters........what is he GOOD at?
 
Look at the poll lol - Knicks in 5 got 2.1% of the vote. 3 votes of 142. I guess we're all shocked.
 
I think donovan could have played better, but i see him getting hits on the defensive side of things when he's helping out on the box out or just tapping the ball to give us possession. Several times he had to box out mitchell robinson. This is purely a schematic fault and is an example of how JBB's schemes puts the players in non-advantageous situations. And in the playoffs where its a game of inches, those things hurt.

I've seen enough from JBB to know he's not a good tactician, he is not able to adjust the gameplan, he is not able to call a timely timeout and he is not good at drawing plays out of timeouts.

Junkyard dog mentality quickly goes down the drain when you have to fight at every possession on a disadvantage that is not of your own doing.
 
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