Gerald Wallace Hoopshype Rumor (pg 4.) - no truth per Windy tweet

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Triplethreat said:

You have got to take into consideration that G-Force is one possesion, one play, one fall away from his career being over. All of the concussions have severely hurt him over the years and it is a huge risk.

I don't know about it taking that into consideration, this is a huge risk if we actually think about doing it.

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Very true. You maybe changed my mindset a little bit on this rumor.

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copdawg said:

Truly isn't every player one play from their career being over???

Sorry, first time poster long time viewer...

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Yes but the risk for Wallace is much greater ythan any other players. His concussion history is really bad.

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ReAL DeAL said:

Very true. You maybe changed my mindset a little bit on this rumor.

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Yep, the risk is huge with him. He is a good player none the less, but for a player that likes to get to the rim as much as he does and his past injuries one knock to the head could kill his career and end it forever, which would leave us hurt very much as well.

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This is how it could work:

Parker would pretty much strictly be in the guard rotation. Mainly at SG and could play a little bit of point if he had too. This effectivley kills Gibsons minutes, but so be it. Let's say Mo and West start (you can argue if Parker should start). Then you rotate Mo out and put west at the point and Parker at the 2. Then you put Mo at the point and keep Parker at the 2. Then you rotate parker back out for west. GREAT 3 headed monster in the back court.



Then, you have the super athletic front court.



Start AV, and bring Gerald off the bench. Gerald can play minutes at the 4, ESPECIALLY with Z, and Bron can play some more minutes at the 4 next to Shaq. The two would be interchangable.







We become super versatile.



Let's look at how we stack up against elite teams with a move like this. We could now beat the magic WITH turk if we added G-force.... and them without without turk will be so much easier. Now you could put Gerald on Lewis and it would actually make SENSE for Lebron to roam with Turk gone. Parker/west on Carter/Pietrus, Wallace on Lewis, Bron roaming? Awesome. Artest in LA? We just neutralized that signing if we get g-force. Boston, who might be the real team to beat? People always overlook this weakness of Boston: athleticism. Watch clips of Gerald Wallace switching off to help on Kevin Garnett.... he gave him FITS. Players like Josh Smith and Gerald Wallace have given Bostons front line a hard time. I think he helps us against Boston.

Here is what I'd expect though. AV starts at the 4, Lebron plays the 4 through strecthes next to Shaq with G force at the 3, and G-force would play the 4 next to Z. With Z on the floor, the floor is perfectly spaced for Gerald Wallace's offensive game. Defensivley, he's not as much of a mismatch as most of you would think. He's not that short, and he's athletic with long arms. He can get under a bigger guy. The only mismatch that I see where it doesn't work well is LA... but the 3 headed monster of Shaq/Z/AV would rotate on Gasol on Bynum, and Gerald would be playing Kobe or Artest.



It's perfect guys, the more I think about it. Ultimate line up flexibilty. We can go very big or very fast. As long as our team is unselfish in its minutes, we are golden.

Re: Gerald Wallace Hoopshype Rumor (pg 4.)

Ok folks, calm down.....Bob Finnan was just talking out his ass....



http://clevelandcavaliersblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/forget-gerald-wallace.html

Forget Gerald Wallace
First of all, I did throw out an unsubstantiated rumor last night that said the Cavs might be interested in sending J.J. Hickson and Wally Szczerbiak to the Charlotte Bobcats for swingman Gerald Wallace in a sign-and-trade.

I explained that it probably wouldn't happen, since Wallace has $40 million left on his contract over the next four years.

The only reason the Bobcats would do this is in a salary dump.

I was told by a reputable source that the Cavs had not talked about anything even close to this.

So, let's put this out of our heads. These things seem to take on a life of their own sometimes.

I think Wallace would be a good fit in Cleveland. But it appears that the Cavs are very close to agreeing on a two-year contract with Anthony Parker.

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Re: Gerald Wallace Hoopshype Rumor (pg 4.)

Smooth said:

Really? I don't know too many uber-athletic, young, guys that have as developed of a post game as he did coming out of college...

But since that's the case, go back until 2000 and find me a comparable prospect to Hickson (youth, offensive game, athletic ability, good character) in the 1st round, past the 19th pick...

Good luck..

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The dude can barely hold onto the ball in the post and got his shot blocked at a ridiculous rate. Also, he's not as athletic as you make it seem, he's not Tyrus/Josh Smith/Amare level athletic, hell someone like Josh Powell is the same height with a nearly 40 inch vertical, you don't hear Laker fans going on and on about how athletic he is. I don't care about all of these little stipulations you added, but Hakim Warrick, Yi Jianlin, Josh Powell, Ryan Humphries etc are all supremely athletic and raw, the common theme is that raw, athletic PFs rarely pan out.

Sure they are but that's not what Hickson is... Your forget to mention that he was billed a one of the most advanced low-post scorers in the draft... So are those guys a dime-a-dozen?

I'm not overrating him, I'm saying what he is and what he was billed as coming out of college..

Here's another question: how do we truly know what he is, when it's only been 1 year in what was expected to be a 2-3 year project?

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What post game? This isn't Al Jefferson we're talking about, what flashes other than some quick up and unders, and crude footwork has he shown in the post? We're not talking about a young Kevin McHale here, his post game isn't that advanced as you make it seem. Also, tell me how is he going to improve on one of his major weaknesses, which is bad hands? He can't catch in traffic, how do you improve that?

Well considering all 4 of those big men being picked ahead of him, I'd expect them to be better their first year and based on where they're picked, they're supposed to be better..

But you also don't factor in the fact that Gasol, Lopez, and Speights were also all more NBA ready players... Not to mention, all 4 of those bigs were given consistent minutes on a regular basis, something JJ never got..

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Speights was 3 picks ahead, and McGee was one pick ahead, McGee is 8 months older than JJ and has a much much higher ceiling. How is McGee anymore NBA ready than JJ, he's just as raw but more athletic.

Hickson wasn't supposed to be a proven player by now... Anyone who expected him to be, then I'd like to get whatever your smoking...

I get Wallace is a proven player but just because he's a proven player does that mean he's the better player... He's a proven player but that still makes him a bad fit on this team with what pieces we have in place..

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I know Hickson isn't supposed to be a proven player, but when the opportunity comes up to get a more talented player for him it should be done, especially now since he cannot work on his game for the majority of the summer. Also, Wallace can contribute, whether he's a bad fit or not, I'd rather have him playing 25 minutes a game than JJ playing 5-10 at this point.

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Triplethreat said:

Yes but the risk for Wallace is much greater ythan any other players. His concussion history is really bad.

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I understand the concern, but if were talking about trading an Hickson who is extremely raw, already had a BACK injury, for a proven player with concussion problems I will take concussion any day. I know it might not be relevant but NFL players get concussions all the time, it is much harder to get a concussion in basketball, then it is to hurt your back again. I play sports alot and I have hurt my back way more then had concussions...

Just my 2 cents..

Disregard my thoughts due to the post above...

Re: Gerald Wallace Hoopshype Rumor (pg 4.)

What an asshole. Im sure we all can make the same bullshit up too with that job he has.

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ReAL DeAL said:

Shaq is not gonna shoot nothing but a FT.

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Not if he doesn't have enough space to operate..

When you have a player like Shaq, you have to build around and compliment him... You can't just put pieces on the team and expect them to work with Shaq... Shaq is a unique player and because of that you need to put pieces around him that work...

Shaq is also a player that needs space to operate and by having players like LeBron, Andy, Wallace, etc., on the floor with him and on the roster with him, compromises that and basically takes away one of our best assets on the floor, in Shaq..

In Phoenix, pretty much everyone on their team could shoot with the exception of Brook Lopez (didn't play with Shaq so it didn't really matter), and Louis Amundson..

In Miami, Payton, Mourning and Anderson were the only guys who couldn't shoot.. But Mourning never played with Shaq and Payton had a decent 3PT/mid-range game... Anderson was the only terrible exception.. And even though D-Wade didn't have his 3PT game then, his mid-range game was still one of the best...

In Los Angeles (01-02), the players who couldn't shoot were Slava Medvedenko (didn't play much though), Samaki Walker (didn't play much next to Shaq, IIRC) and Mark Madsen..

In Los Angeles (00-01), it was Mark Madsen and Slava Medvedenko, who didn't play much..

In Los Angeles (99-00) it was basically John Celestand..

My whole point is the more shooters surround Shaq, the better.. Surrounding him with players with the inability to hit a shot will not make his game any better... We already have LeBron and Andy, and adding another main rotation player who can't hit a shot doesn't make too sense..

ReAL DeAL said:

Wallace has a decent mid range game, he's streaky from 3 kinda reminds me of Laura Hughes.

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Hughes is actually a good 3PT shooter.. He shot 38.5% last year with New York, 39.2% with Chicago and then 34.1% with Cleveland and 35.3% with Chicago, 2 years ago..

Wallace shot 30% last year and 32% the year before..

ReAL DeAL said:

Wallace also allows us to play small ball efectively. Great backup for LeBron. Wallace, Parker/West, Z would be a great 1-8 and it would turn eyes on us of being up there right on LA's ass.

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I think the difference between us and LA would be their big pieces (Gasol, Odom, Kobe, Bynum), etc., fit better together than ours would...

ReAL DeAL said:

If we had G-Force against the Magic we woulda never lost thats how good his defense is but remember we werent even hitting our 3's and we were still in the game.

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Magic couldn't miss... Not much we could do about that...

Re: Gerald Wallace Hoopshype Rumor (pg 4.)

copdawg said:

I understand the concern, but if were talking about trading an Hickson who is extremely raw, already had a BACK injury, for a proven player with concussion problems I will take concussion any day. I know it might not be relevant but NFL players get concussions all the time, it is much harder to get a concussion in basketball, then it is to hurt your back again. I play sports alot and I have hurt my back way more then had concussions...

Just my 2 cents..

Disregard my thoughts due to the post above...

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Hickson is a guy with back problems who costs what, 1.5 million this year (with team options the following 2 years)? Wallace will cost us 40 million over 4 years. That makes comparing these 2 a bit absurd.

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abuC said:

I like his game and all, but there's a Hickson in nearly every good draft, athletic but raw PFs are a dime a dozen, let's not overrate what he is. If he were 6"11 or 7"0 then I'd say hold off on trading him, but I really don't see him having as much potential as everyone seems to think. I said it before, he's not even the 4th best big from last years rookie crop, Gasol, Lopez, McGee and Speights all have more potential, hell DeAndre Jordan might have more as well.

Wallace is a proven player, Hickson is not, I'd give Hickson up in a second for Wallace.

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Hickson is raw mentally and could use a bit more muscle, but he is unique in the fact that he has a nice vocabulary of back to the basket moves that are not usually associated with the typical 6"9 raw power forward with a lot of "upside".

Never the less If this deal could actually happen I would do it in a heart beat ... basically thinking along the lines of the "best available player" mindset ... you can't pass up that type of younger available talent ..

Worst case scenario is that the cavs would have maybe regressed a little offensively but also have a ridiculously tough defense that would probably cause at least a decent amount of havoc and create more than there share of turnovers and would get out and run more.

As far as floor balance is concerned he could play maybe more in combination with Z and keep in mind that Shaq is only slated for about 25 minutes per game in this upcoming season. Also other minor roster adjustments could be made to help blend out the rotation.

The cavs would be a better and more talented team, plain and simple.

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Ok, Finnan recanted

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Smooth..,

You make great points but we can put this to rest now. Bob Finnan makes up shit for fun.

Just go sign French Frye and call it an offseason. I'll give Ferry an A-

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Wow. He should go work for ESPN.

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Hydroponic3385 said:

Hickson is a guy with back problems who costs what, 1.5 million this year (with team options the following 2 years)? Wallace will cost us 40 million over 4 years. That makes comparing these 2 a bit absurd.

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Good point...I just think that it would be the jobs of the doctors of the team to determine the risk vs. rewards of making the trade, not us fans. Talent wise I just think this would be a no brain trade. But it is a moot point now.