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Delonte Arrested? (Windy article p. 31)

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LJ4MVP said:
You don't punish someone extra because they have a disease.
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You do punish people if you think it will do them some good or discourage others from doing bad.

Joe's point is that sometimes you have to send a strong message to certain people to get through to them and force them to become serious about changing their life. That's fair, IMO, but we're in no position to judge whether that's the best course of action for Delonte ... and that's the bottom line.

Is taking Delonte away from basketball going to help him?

I don't think so. His problem didn't occur on a basketball court, it happened during the off season.

There's a lot of things that could potentially be done to help Delonte and prevent a re-occurrence, but they have to be evaluated by the parties involved.
 
LJ4MVP said:
it's extra because precedent says no jail time and a 3 to 7 game suspension, and you suggested jail time and a 10-15 game suspension because you think it might "do him good".

You don't punish someone extra because they have a disease.
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It's the whole situation that makes this unprecedented in NBA terms. Please enlighten me to the player before Delonte who was arrested under these circumstances. There just isn't anyone. My suggestion of 10-15 games isn't so much more than the previous 7 gamer that has been dished out that it's some mind blowing recalibration of the entire process. It simply reflects this specific matter. Delonte invoking all these thoughts of some Mad Max/Terminator vigilante is a new one for the NBA, like it or not.

As far as the jail time precedent, that's complete BS. 2-3 weeks in some county jail is by no means even close to the maximum penalty for what Delonte did.
 
JonFromVA said:
You do punish people if you think it will do them some good or discourage others from doing bad.

Joe's point is that sometimes you have to send a strong message to certain people to get through to them and force them to become serious about changing their life. That's fair, IMO, but we're in no position to judge whether that's the best course of action for Delonte ... and that's the bottom line.

Is taking Delonte away from basketball going to help him?

I don't think so. His problem didn't occur on a basketball court, it happened during the off season.

There's a lot of things that could potentially be done to help Delonte and prevent a re-occurrence, but they have to be evaluated by the parties involved.
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I agree with that for the most part, but none of the other gun charge induced NBA suspensions happened on the court, either. So, in that manner, this case should be no different. Most any law breaking induced NBA suspension happens off the court, including the offseason.

I hope the final outcome of this process is done with Delonte's health in mind, and not his pocketbook. It's a scenario all too well documented with today's celebrities/athletes.
 
SmknJoe7 said:
It's the whole situation that makes this unprecedented in NBA terms. Please enlighten me to the player before Delonte who was arrested under these circumstances. There just isn't anyone. My suggestion of 10-15 games isn't so much more than the previous 7 gamer that has been dished out that it's some mind blowing recalibration of the entire process. It simply reflects this specific matter. Delonte invoking all these thoughts of some Mad Max/Terminator vigilante is a new one for the NBA, like it or not.

As far as the jail time precedent, that's complete BS. 2-3 weeks in some county jail is by no means even close to the maximum penalty for what Delonte did.
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This is a pretty good precedent

Celtics guard Sebastian Telfair was arrested on a gun possession charge after the car in which he was driving was stopped for going 77 mph in Yonkers, N.Y., early Friday.

Telfair, a 21-year-old Brooklyn native, was charged with second-degree possession of a handgun and driving with a suspended license following the 3:53 a.m. stop on the Yonkers highway, Westchester County police said.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2844534
 
LJ4MVP said:
This is a pretty good precedent



http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2844534
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No it's not, imo. Delonte had 3 loaded guns on him on a trike and cut off a cop while speeding. He was outfitted like he was entering Thunderdome. I'd say Delonte more than one-upped Telfair here. As far as presedence goes, at most Telfair's situation simply lays the ground work for where to begin.
 
SmknJoe7 said:
It's the whole situation that makes this unprecedented in NBA terms. Please enlighten me to the player before Delonte who was arrested under these circumstances. There just isn't anyone. My suggestion of 10-15 games isn't so much more than the previous 7 gamer that has been dished out that it's some mind blowing recalibration of the entire process. It simply reflects this specific matter. Delonte invoking all these thoughts of some Mad Max/Terminator vigilante is a new one for the NBA, like it or not.

As far as the jail time precedent, that's complete BS. 2-3 weeks in some county jail is by no means even close to the maximum penalty for what Delonte did.
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I'd point to Sebastian Telfair's gun possession conviction and subsequent suspension as precedent, but....

That was Sebastian Telfair's second offense, this is Delonte's first.

The realistic expectations for the outcome of this case as it stands now are probation and a hefty fine, followed by a suspension of probably 3-5 games by either the Cavs or the league.

Also remember he was released without bail, he's been charged with wo misdemeanors, he cooperated with police, and it's his first offense.

I know you're trying to be realistic, but the police wouldn't release someone of unsound mind who had just been carrying three guns on his own recognizance if the charges were as serious as you're making them out to be.

Also remember that he did not get charged for carrying the shot-gun, and was completely within his rights to do so.

You're over-thinking/analyzing it, worrying too much,the penalties that will result from this case are going to be relatively minor.
 
The Telfair situation was one where he had a gun while in a hotel during the NBA season. It was in one of his bags that was traveling on the road with him. I don't think that Delonte will get any more than 5. I'm no expert, this is my personal opinion based on what I know.
 
InBoobieWeTrust said:
I'd point to Sebastian Telfair's gun possession conviction and subsequent suspension as precedent, but....

That was Sebastian Telfair's second offense, this is Delonte's first.

The realistic expectations for the outcome of this case as it stands now are probation and a hefty fine, followed by a suspension of probably 3-5 games by either the Cavs or the league.

Also remember he was released without bail, he's been charged with wo misdemeanors, he cooperated with police, and it's his first offense.

I know you're trying to be realistic, but the police wouldn't release someone of unsound mind who had just been carrying three guns on his own recognizance if the charges were as serious as you're making them out to be.

Also remember that he did not get charged for carrying the shot-gun, and was completely within his rights to do so.

You're over-thinking/analyzing it, worrying too much,the penalties that will result from this case are going to be relatively minor.
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Like I said previously, I'm well aware that Delonte will most likely get less than what I am saying. My concern all along is that this does not turn into some slap on the wrist BS. My whole argument all along has been that a stiffer penalty than what we've seen may just help Delonte more in the long run than some probation gig with a 3 game suspension could ever do. By reading your post I'd make a guess that you did not read all of my posts.

Btw, police release people of unsound mind every single day. Just sayin.
 
SmknJoe7 said:
Like I said previously, I'm well aware that Delonte will most likely get less than what I am saying. My concern all along is that this does not turn into some slap on the wrist BS. My whole argument all along has been that a stiffer penalty than what we've seen may just help Delonte more in the long run than some probation gig with a 3 game suspension could ever do. By reading your post I'd make a guess that you did not read all of my posts.

Btw, police release people of unsound mind every single day. Just sayin.
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I'm not sure a stiff penalty will do anything. I think the only thing that will help Delonte is the support of the people close to him, the support of the team, and the support of the fans. He's not some thug trying to act tough, he's got real, emotional problems that will only be escalated by a few weeks in jail and a few weeks away from the one thing that seems to keep him relatively in check(the team).

The Cavs need to handle the situation carefully, and they need to put their foot down, but I don't think two weeks in jail and a two week suspension does anything productive for Delonte. Two weeks of jail really doesn't do anything productive for anyone.
 
SmknJoe7 said:
No it's not, imo. Delonte had 3 loaded guns on him on a trike and cut off a cop while speeding. He was outfitted like he was entering Thunderdome. I'd say Delonte more than one-upped Telfair here. As far as presedence goes, at most Telfair's situation simply lays the ground work for where to begin.
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so just ignore that the shotgun was legal? Or that Delonte told police he had a gun while they had to find Telfair's? Telfair was going 77 in a 45 zone and driving with a suspended license, so how did delonte more than one up him? Telfair got a 3 game suspension for that.

And that was his second gun incident. His first was a 2 game suspension for carrying a loaded gun on an airplane.

Anything more than 2 to 3 games would be extra punishment for his disease. He needs treatment, he doesn't need to have his job taken away for an extended amount of time.
 
LJ4MVP said:
so just ignore that the shotgun was legal? Or that Delonte told police he had a gun while they had to find Telfair's? Telfair was going 77 in a 45 zone and driving with a suspended license, so how did delonte more than one up him? Telfair got a 3 game suspension for that.

And that was his second gun incident. His first was a 2 game suspension for carrying a loaded gun on an airplane.

Anything more than 2 to 3 games would be extra punishment for his disease.
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I personally believe a loaded gun on airplane trumps in stupidity 2 loaded concealed weapons on a trike any day of the week.

Joe, none of us are saying its not concerning knowing Delonte's mental illness issues, we are just saying that further punishing him more than others have in simular situations is unfair and unjust. The big thing will be to have Delonte get the help he needs and continue to work on his mental health. This is not an easy battle for Delonte, and this appears to be one road bump that he hit, but make no mistake, this is a road bump and just show delonte has alot more work to do...this doesnt make him a bad person though.
 
DougHeil said:
Oh no. 10 to 15 games? Other players in the past never had that harsh of treatment. You don't help Delonte with his problems by punishing him like that. Heck; you actually help him by allowing him to play the damn games. All we need is to make him more depressed and more sorry. He needs a short suspension of a few games and get right back on the court, along with daily medical help and advice.
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Agree. But a short suspension is probably unavoidable.

I do think the mandatory treatment idea is along the right track.
 
SmknJoe7 said:
No it's not, imo. Delonte had 3 loaded guns on him on a trike and cut off a cop while speeding. He was outfitted like he was entering Thunderdome. I'd say Delonte more than one-upped Telfair here. As far as presedence goes, at most Telfair's situation simply lays the ground work for where to begin.
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Youre crazy. It is legal to own guns. It is legal to drive with guns. 2 pistols on you is as reasonable as having 1 pistol on you. Having a shotgun strapped to your back might sound funny, but if you had to carry a shotgun on a bike, what would be a safer way?

If delonte was some fat hillybilly redneck headin out to shoot a dear with 2 pistols and a shotgun, you wouldnt be making Thunderdome references. Its not like he was about to Tomb Raiding and had 1000s of rounds of ammo on him.
 
West made the SNL Thursday show.

Should be on Hulu or youtube by tomorrow.
 
MYoung23 said:
West made the SNL Thursday show.

Should be on Hulu or youtube by tomorrow.
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Seen it ~ at 1st I thought they would really rip him to shreds but it was actually kind of funny :chuckles:
 
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