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Kenny Smith said that Kobe Bryant is still the best player in the league

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Just because the Cavs were outplayed in a series doesn't mean they weren't a contender. They had the POTENTIAL to at least go to the finals. I guess to some, a team isn't "legitimate" unless they win a title. So the rest of the teams that make the playoffs and those who make it as far as the Conference finals are worthless?

also... LOL @ anyone thinking the Lakers had a better bench last year/have one this year that's better than the Cavs' current bench. Freakin' ludicrous...
 
BruceBowensFoot said:
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Just because the Cavs were outplayed in a series doesn't mean they weren't a contender. They had the POTENTIAL to at least go to the finals. I guess to some, a team isn't "legitimate" unless they win a title. So the rest of the teams that make the playoffs and those who make it as far as the Conference finals are worthless?

also... LOL @ anyone thinking the Lakers had a better bench last year/have one this year that's better than the Cavs' current bench. Freakin' ludicrous...
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Dude, this is NOT Lebron's fault. This is team's fault that they got outplayed. Do you get it?

They did have potential. It has gone to waste due to their terrible play, lack of chemistry and bad coaching...Why is it so hard to understand?

Lakers don't need incredible bench, not in the playoffs. Just look at what Odom has done in the playoffs over the years. And tell me who on the Cavs bench last two years ever was at least as good as him.
 
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Ren said:
I want what you're smoking, and lots of it please.

There is absolutely NO FUCKING WAY that Larry Hughes (won't play next year), Sasha Pavlovic (won't play next year), Drew Gooden (might play next year) and Z(won't play next year) is better then Mo, Antawn, AP and Shaq. You're off your rocker.
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For the 2007 players what matters is how good they were then, not how good they are 3 years later.

Those guys built a more cohesive unit and had something that made the Cavs a terrific defensive team, the ability to make lots of switches defending the opponent backcourts. Plus they were highly effective hitting the backboards and with the exception of Hughes poor shooting (good ball-handler though) they could contribute offensively playing off a talent like LeBron.

In the 2010 team you have lots of guys who are better suited to be scoring punches of the bench, who don't play well off each other (especially Mo and Antawn have no idea how to play off a guy like Shaq) and who are very probably the worst defenders in the league at their positions at least among starters. Shaq, Jamison and Mo are awful defenders, Parker is a below average defender. Plus, Shaq is a pretty good (but not excellent) rebounder for his position, Parker iis decent but Jamison and Mo are poor. They need to be scoring a lot, and very efficiently, to make up for what they give on their non-scoring contributions. But playing all of them together pumps their weaknesses and hides their strength.

You keep that Mo+Parker+Jamison+Shaq core next season, you play them big minute and you don't win 20 games. The team will fall apart from their own deficiencies. I've been saying the entire year Varejao was the Cavs 2nd best player. Those scoring, defenseless role-players were wildly overrated.
 
BruceBowensFoot said:
I'd say it's looking like how a lot of people were calling Gasol soft after the Lakers lost to the C's in '08. Then they win the title the following year and suddenly everyone's championing him, saying he's easily Top 3 big men in the league. It's all perspective.

Bynum barely did anything in last year's playoffs (all of it). He's part of Kobe's awesome supporting cast, too. Sure, Kobe has had some bad games and his team has somehow managed to pick up the slack, but the lakers haven't had that great of a team either, you know. Besides Bynum, Fisher is a borderline joke due to his age. And other than Odom (who usually brings a solid contribution), their bench is pathetic. Name one player on that bench except him you could say something - anything - positive about.

What were the biggest complaints roster-wise after losing to the Magic last year?

Lack of a good second scoring option.
Lack of muscle at the C position.
Lack of a better bench
Length at the 2-spot
Better swing-men than Wally, Sasha and Kinsey

Looks to me like we improved on all of those to some degree. But I guess to some people we just didn't do it well enough...
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That's not how you build a team.

You can't just analyse the flaws you have and correct them at all costs. If it was that easy, every GM would build a contender in 2 years. You need to see what you may be losing in the process.

Sometimes you cover a hole just to open another one, a deeper one, in the same move.

That's what the Cavs did.
 
Anyone who says "Xxxxx couldn't do it without Xxxxxxx" needs to be banned from the site, for being a fucking retard.


And dont try to downplay Lebrons team, they had the best record in the league 2 years in a row. You dont get the #1 seed by luck.
 
woswill said:
Anyone who says "Xxxxx couldn't do it without Xxxxxxx" needs to be banned from the site, for being a fucking retard.


And dont try to downplay Lebrons team, they had the best record in the league 2 years in a row. You dont get the #1 seed by luck.
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Yeah, because regular season is such a great indicator how teams do in the playoffs...

*sigh*
 
Had to come back for another round. Just more silliness in this thread to address.

BruceBowensFoot said:
Just because the Cavs were outplayed in a series doesn't mean they weren't a contender. They had the POTENTIAL to at least go to the finals.
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...and? Potential is one thing. Doing it is another.

BruceBowensFoot said:
I guess to some, a team isn't "legitimate" unless they win a title. So the rest of the teams that make the playoffs and those who make it as far as the Conference finals are worthless?
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Not what anyone was saying. But some teams are more playoff-ready than others. The Cavs didn't have that as much as Boston did.

BruceBowensFoot said:
also... LOL @ anyone thinking the Lakers had a better bench last year/have one this year that's better than the Cavs' current bench. Freakin' ludicrous...
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Um, if we did, we'd probably still be playing right now. Try again.

woswill said:
Anyone who says "Xxxxx couldn't do it without Xxxxxxx" needs to be banned from the site, for being a fucking retard.


And dont try to downplay Lebrons team, they had the best record in the league 2 years in a row. You dont get the #1 seed by luck.
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Typing in 7 bold font makes you look smarter.
 
LBJ23MJ said:
Had to come back for another round. Just more silliness in this thread to address.
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You got that right. And you're the one posting it.
LBJ23MJ said:
...and? Potential is one thing. Doing it is another.

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Not what anyone was saying.
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You kind of contradicted yourself right there. I'm sure it doesn't seem that way to you, though.

LBJ23MJ said:
Um, if we did, we'd probably still be playing right now. Try again.
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I don't know who "we" is supposed to be, since I was talking about the Lakers' bench mostly, but I assume you meant "if we had a better bench than the Lakers, we'd still be in the playoffs".

If that's the case, then let me get this straight. People actually think that

Odom
Walton
Shannon Brown
Josh Powell
Sasha Vujacic
Adam Morrison
Mbenga
and Farmar

is better overall as a bench than

Andy
West
Moon
Boobie
Powe
Hickson
Z

:thumbdown
 
BruceBowensFoot said:
You got that right. And you're the one posting it.
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Clever! I'll give you a point for that one. It's gonna be the only thing you'll get credit from me today though, because you're not really saying much else otherwise.

BruceBowensFoot said:
You kind of contradicted yourself right there. I'm sure it doesn't seem that way to you, though.
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Not at all. The Cavs had a good team, and one that could certainly win if everyone played like they did in the regular season (notice the bold there). They simply didn't, and ran into a team that was clicking on all cylinders (and you can ask the Magic about that one).

BruceBowensFoot said:
I don't know who "we" is supposed to be, since I was talking about the Lakers' bench mostly, but I assume you meant "if we had a better bench than the Lakers, we'd still be in the playoffs".

If that's the case, then let me get this straight. People actually think that

Odom
Walton
Shannon Brown
Josh Powell
Sasha Vujacic
Adam Morrison
Mbenga
and Farmar

is better overall as a bench than

Andy
West
Moon
Boobie
Powe
Hickson
Z

:thumbdown
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We can go look at their playoff production right now if you want. But it wouldn't do any good for your argument, and so you'd probably dismiss it as nonsense. Right?
 
Lamar Odom is averaging double double in 28 minutes per game and shoots 50% from the field. What's more, he is basically outplaying Amare freaking Stoudemire in the WCF.

Varejao AND West had 12.4 ppg and 8.4 rpg combined and both shot under 42% from the field. Our two most important bench pieces, Varejao being our best overall big in the regular season. Jordan Farmar and Shannon Brown score more than that on better %.

That's reality.
 
CzBron said:
Lamar Odom is averaging double double in 28 minutes per game and shoots 50% from the field. What's more, he is basically outplaying Amare freaking Stoudemire in the WCF.

Varejao AND West had 12.4 ppg and 8.4 rpg combined and both shot under 42% from the field. Our two most important bench pieces, Varejao being our best overall big in the regular season.

That's reality.
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So what you are saying is Kobe makes his teammates better?
 
Kobe will never get respect until he wins a ring 1 v 5 , just like what MJ, Duncan, Shaq, Magic, and all those other legends did

:rolleyes:
 
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