2010 Cavs salary cap projections - based on the trades we might make this summer

[jvpertz]

So basically we need to figure out a way to get rid of Daniel Gibson.

If we can get his deal off the books then we open up a whole host of possibilities in 2010.

 

[D-westfan]

So basically we need to figure out a way to get rid of Daniel Gibson.

If we can get his deal off the books then we open up a whole host of possibilities in 2010.

Which teams are over the cap post 2010 that have expiring contracts next year?

or teams under the cap that would be willing to absorb his contract?


Cavs 2011 first rounder + Daniel gibson to memphis?

Daniel Gibson + 3m + this years first rounder + Jawad, TK to memphis for darko?

we could always not re-sign andy, and sign someone like villa for the MLE..

 

[bigtyme]

Joel... By not listing it are you saying Bosh is not a feasible option?

RJ/CV is the only option up there that gives a legit shot at multiple chips.

 

[mixman]

darko sucks. Please don't ever bring up Darko. A decrepit old Ben Wallace is 3x the player Darko is. Get that weak stuff outta here.


If we were able to move boobie to free up cap room then yeah, we could free up some space. But our bench would also be lighter than it already is. It's a tricky give and take.

 

[D-westfan]

darko sucks. Please don't ever bring up Darko. A decrepit old Ben Wallace is 3x the player Darko is. Get that weak stuff outta here.


If we were able to move boobie to free up cap room then yeah, we could free up some space. But our bench would also be lighter than it already is. It's a tricky give and take.

Darkos an expiring contract and the trade outlined would allow us to get rid of boobie without having to get rid of 2011 first rounder.. (by saving them money this year, allowing them to maximize their cap space... (roughly 20 million?)

EDIT:
It appears salaries wont work in that trade anyway, but just outlining ways to get rid of boobie..

Boobie for Chucky Atkins?

 

[cavs fan92]

I think they are planning on re-signing Z arn't they?

 

[D-westfan]

I think they are planning on re-signing Z arn't they?

probably to a minumum contract so it would hardly effect space.

 

[mixman]

probably to a minumum contract so it would hardly effect space.

1.) Cap hold is last contract plus 25%, up to the max deal. So we'd have to renounce his rights to do anything.

2.) If we did renounce his rights and resign him for vet min, vet min is still 1.5 million at that age.

 

[D-westfan]

1.) Cap hold is last contract plus 25%, up to the max deal. So we'd have to renounce his rights to do anything.

2.) If we did renounce his rights and resign him for vet min, vet min is still 1.5 million at that age.

its 1.5 but im pretty sure it only counts towards the cap for around 700k..

 

[mixman]

its 1.5 but im pretty sure it only counts towards the cap for around 700k..

Really? Interesting....

 

[Lee]

probably to a minumum contract so it would hardly effect space.

If you think a 7'3 guy who can shoot is going to get the vet min you dont know basketball contracts. He will give us a home discount, but aging big men who can shoot still have value. He will get 3 or 4 million a year at that point.

Getting rid of boobie for nothing is a very bad idea. He is on a very friendly contract for what he brings. He had a bad year, but he is still an excellent shooter. Either he learns from the bad year, or MB goes back to using him in his previous limmited role...as a shooter off the bench. I think Boobie will have a good year coming up....8-10 points, over 40% from 3.

As far as getting under the cap....why? We are not getting any big time free agents. We are best served if we use our assets this year, remain over the cap and then have the use of the mle.

There are many free agents next year, the superstars will remain with their current franchise...Yao, Lebron, Dirk, Wade, etc...but then it will get interesting. Rarshard Lewis level players do leave...and get over paid. We will see numurous teams eat up all their cap space to sign players, teams will start panicking. Ferry is known for being patient...he has shown that in the past. After the feeding frenzy, some quality free agents will remain without contracts and with no one with any cap space. There the cavs will sit and have our choice of about 4 or 5 quality players that will have to settle for the mle...who one can only speculate....Travis Outlaw, Amir Johnson, Al Harington, Jamal Crawford....etc... All solid pieces, all we have to fight for the scrap that remains of the free agency money.

If ever their was an off season and wait and get value its 2010. This isnt the most popular among fans, but it is the most prudent. Numerous teams will be handcuffed for years for the bad contracts they do sign. Larry Hughes or Ben Wallace anyone? Those type contracts do not have any value until they become expiring contracts.

 

[D-westfan]

Really? Interesting....

Not positive about that, but i remember hearing something like that.. might have just heard that you can trade a minimum salary player and he doesnt count towards the cap..


Regardless- if we renounce Z, we dont have to re-sign him till after we use our cap room...

 

[D-westfan]

If you think a 7'3 guy who can shoot is going to get the vet min you dont know basketball contracts. He will give us a home discount, but aging big men who can shoot still have value. He will get 3 or 4 million a year at that point.

Getting rid of boobie for nothing is a very bad idea. He is on a very friendly contract for what he brings. He had a bad year, but he is still an excellent shooter. Either he learns from the bad year, or MB goes back to using him in his previous limmited role...as a shooter off the bench. I think Boobie will have a good year coming up....8-10 points, over 40% from 3.

As far as getting under the cap....why? We are not getting any big time free agents. We are best served if we use our assets this year, remain over the cap and then have the use of the mle.

There are many free agents next year, the superstars will remain with their current franchise...Yao, Lebron, Dirk, Wade, etc...but then it will get interesting. Rarshard Lewis level players do leave...and get over paid. We will see numurous teams eat up all their cap space to sign players, teams will start panicking. Ferry is known for being patient...he has shown that in the past. After the feeding frenzy, some quality free agents will remain without contracts and with no one with any cap space. There the cavs will sit and have our choice of about 4 or 5 quality players that will have to settle for the mle...who one can only speculate....Travis Outlaw, Amir Johnson, Al Harington, Jamal Crawford....etc... All solid pieces, all we have to fight for the scrap that remains of the free agency money.

If ever their was an off season and wait and get value its 2010. This isnt the most popular among fans, but it is the most prudent. Numerous teams will be handcuffed for years for the bad contracts the do sign. Larry Hughes or Ben Wallace anyone? Those type contracts do not have any value until they become expiring contracts.

Name me a 7 foot jump shooting C with no footspeed or defensive prowess that is going to be 36, that is making more than the vet min - much less multiple millions...


Also, the only reason to consider trading boobie is to get max contract value...

if you trade boobie, renounce all free agents, we should have enough to sign a max free agent, whether it be bosh, wade, joe johnson, brandon roy, aldridge.. - while staying competative this year...

Maybe instead of giving sasha we trade them boobie and ben for shaq?

Also, WHO is going to give Z that kind of money, when they must know he wants to stay here..

 

[Phills14]

If you think a 7'3 guy who can shoot is going to get the vet min you dont know basketball contracts. He will give us a home discount, but aging big men who can shoot still have value. He will get 3 or 4 million a year at that point.

Getting rid of boobie for nothing is a very bad idea. He is on a very friendly contract for what he brings. He had a bad year, but he is still an excellent shooter. Either he learns from the bad year, or MB goes back to using him in his previous limmited role...as a shooter off the bench. I think Boobie will have a good year coming up....8-10 points, over 40% from 3.

As far as getting under the cap....why? We are not getting any big time free agents. We are best served if we use our assets this year, remain over the cap and then have the use of the mle.

There are many free agents next year, the superstars will remain with their current franchise...Yao, Lebron, Dirk, Wade, etc...but then it will get interesting. Rarshard Lewis level players do leave...and get over paid. We will see numurous teams eat up all their cap space to sign players, teams will start panicking. Ferry is known for being patient...he has shown that in the past. After the feeding frenzy, some quality free agents will remain without contracts and with no one with any cap space. There the cavs will sit and have our choice of about 4 or 5 quality players that will have to settle for the mle...who one can only speculate....Travis Outlaw, Amir Johnson, Al Harington, Jamal Crawford....etc... All solid pieces, all we have to fight for the scrap that remains of the free agency money.

If ever their was an off season and wait and get value its 2010. This isnt the most popular among fans, but it is the most prudent. Numerous teams will be handcuffed for years for the bad contracts they do sign. Larry Hughes or Ben Wallace anyone? Those type contracts do not have any value until they become expiring contracts.

Z will either take a reasonable contract from us or he will retire. If we are willing to only give him the vet min of 1.5 mil than he will have a decision to make as to keep playing or hang em up. I think Z has some miles left on his legs, maybe not as a starter anymore but he'd be a deadly reserve. He's made his money already so he won't be looking to break the bank again.

 

[Phills14]

Name me a 7 foot jump shooting C with no footspeed or defensive prowess that is going to be 36, that is making more than the vet min - much less multiple millions...


Also, the only reason to consider trading boobie is to get max contract value...

if you trade boobie, renounce all free agents, we should have enough to sign a max free agent, whether it be bosh, wade, joe johnson, brandon roy, aldridge.. - while staying competative this year...

Maybe instead of giving sasha we trade them boobie and ben for shaq?

Also, WHO is going to give Z that kind of money, when they must know he wants to stay here..

If you do all this garbage what kind of team will you have behind the starters? You'll have 5 starters and 0 bench because you've blown your stash on 1 guy. That team barely makes it out of the 2nd round and gets crushed in the conf finals. It's not a smart way to build a team. If you can land a similar type talent via trade you do that.