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2010 Cavs salary cap projections - based on the trades we might make this summer

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If you do all this garbage what kind of team will you have behind the starters? You'll have 5 starters and 0 bench because you've blown your stash on 1 guy. That team barely makes it out of the 2nd round and gets crushed in the conf finals. It's not a smart way to build a team. If you can land a similar type talent via trade you do that.
Mo Williams / Draft Pick (Or Vet min.. Earl Watson?)
Delonte West / Draft pick (Or Vet Min player... Stackhouse? Kinsey? Wally?)
LeBron James / Draft pick (Sam young?).. Vet min (Wally?)
Chris Bosh / JJ Hickson / Darnell Jackson
Varejao / Z


Sure, there's question marks, but bosh / lebron / Mo / Delonte is easily a 60 win team... with draft picks filling out the roster...

maybe one year lost... then 5 championships the next 5 years? lol...

That team is better than our current team...
 
Name me a 7 foot jump shooting C with no footspeed or defensive prowess that is going to be 36, that is making more than the vet min - much less multiple millions...


Also, the only reason to consider trading boobie is to get max contract value...

if you trade boobie, renounce all free agents, we should have enough to sign a max free agent, whether it be bosh, wade, joe johnson, brandon roy, aldridge.. - while staying competative this year...

Maybe instead of giving sasha we trade them boobie and ben for shaq?

Also, WHO is going to give Z that kind of money, when they must know he wants to stay here..

3 or 4 million for a big men is very reasonable if he is going to be considered someone that can play. Mcdyess will be 35 this offseason and will get a very nice contract, Battie is 34 and he makes 6 million a year, and Dampier is 34 and he makes a ridicoulous amount of money. Z will not be lornzen wright...he will have some use, 3 or 4 million is very reasonable to pay your back up center...which should be at that point...he might be our starting center next year. I dont think you guys are thinking clearly. You want to gut this team to sign another max player...but who? Maybe Bosh? And how much defense do we expect Bosh to have. We are beter using Boobie, draft picks, etc in a trade to aquire the players and then resing them to a max contract. Bosh and others will be worth much less when it becomes appearnat they are going to walk. I have said all along, if we are going to aquire another superstar,...it will be at this coming up trade deadline...not before. This summer we should bring in 2 solid rotational players. You dont gut and blow up a team that won 66 games....you tweak it.
 
3 or 4 million for a big men is very reasonable if he is going to be considered someone that can play. Mcdyess will be 35 this offseason and will get a very nice contract, Battie is 34 and he makes 6 million a year, and Dampier is 34 and he makes a ridicoulous amount of money. Z will not be lornzen wright...he will have some use, 3 or 4 million is very reasonable to pay your back up center...which should be at that point...he might be our starting center next year. I dont think you guys are thinking clearly. You want to gut this team to sign another max player...but who? Maybe Bosh? And how much defense do we expect Bosh to have. We are beter using Boobie, draft picks, etc in a trade to aquire the players and then resing them to a max contract. Bosh and others will be worth much less when it becomes appearnat they are going to walk. I have said all along, if we are going to aquire another superstar,...it will be at this coming up trade deadline...not before. This summer we should bring in 2 solid rotational players. You dont gut and blow up a team that won 66 games....you tweak it.

you named a bunch of players on bad contracts to justify signing someone. Nice argument.


Keeping 4/5 starters, and 5 rotational players, is not gutting a team...


Daniel Gibson
Tarence Kinsey (maybe)
Ben Wallace
Wally Szczerbiak
Joe Smith
Sasha Pavlovic
Lorenzin wright


Would be the players i'd get rid of to get bosh..

How many of those were gonna be on the team this year anyway... Joe, maybe, Gibson, Wally maybe?


Seriously if you think getting rid of boobie is 'gutting' the team, to get bosh, you're a moron.
 
you named a bunch of players on bad contracts to justify signing someone. Nice argument.


Keeping 4/5 starters, and 5 rotational players, is not gutting a team...


Daniel Gibson
Tarence Kinsey (maybe)
Ben Wallace
Wally Szczerbiak
Joe Smith
Sasha Pavlovic
Lorenzin wright


Would be the players i'd get rid of to get bosh..

How many of those were gonna be on the team this year anyway... Joe, maybe, Gibson, Wally maybe?


Seriously if you think getting rid of boobie is 'gutting' the team, to get bosh, you're a moron.

Seriously, if you think its easier to get Bosh by not signing any free agents, getting rid of some assets instead of using those assets to trade for him and have a mle player this year and next you are a moron. If you are not intteligent enough to get what I am saying that is fine, but please be above the petty name calling.

It is better to keep your mouth closed and have them think you are a fool than open your mouth and prove them right.
 
I used to lean in the direction of trying to create cap space for summer 2010 but I'm leaning in the other direction now. I do believe it makes more sense to go out and try to improve the roster and take advantage of opportunities that should be out there now rather than wait and hope while not being able to add quality long term talent now in order to not disrupt possible cap space.

In order to clear enough room to re-sign LeBron and add a top tier talent in free agency 2010 the Cavs can't add any contracts now of decent size that run past this coming season. They also can't re-sign Varejao. They can't use the MLE this offseason unless it's for a 1 year deal and I'm not sure that's even possible. They would also have to renounce all their own FA's other than LeBron after the coming season.
Since they'd be under the cap they couldn't use the MLE in 2010 since that's an exception for teams over the cap.

I'd hate to have to take all these steps and then not end up with one of the top of the 2010 FA's. If the Cavs go in this direction they have to be guaranteed to get a Bosh level player.
 
I used to lean in the direction of trying to create cap space for summer 2010 but I'm leaning in the other direction now. I do believe it makes more sense to go out and try to improve the roster and take advantage of opportunities that should be out there now rather than wait and hope while not being able to add quality long term talent now in order to not disrupt possible cap space.

In order to clear enough room to re-sign LeBron and add a top tier talent in free agency 2010 the Cavs can't add any contracts now of decent size that run past this coming season. They also can't re-sign Varejao. They can't use the MLE this offseason unless it's for a 1 year deal and I'm not sure that's even possible. They would also have to renounce all their own FA's other than LeBron after the coming season.
Since they'd be under the cap they couldn't use the MLE in 2010 since that's an exception for teams over the cap.

I'd hate to have to take all these steps and then not end up with one of the top of the 2010 FA's. If the Cavs go in this direction they have to be guaranteed to get a Bosh level player.

And because of a lack of interrior presence, I am not sure Bosh is the guy to put us over the top anyways. I am glad someone has been listening to me rant for the last 2 years, lol
 
Seriously, if you think its easier to get Bosh by not signing any free agents, getting rid of some assets instead of using those assets to trade for him and have a mle player this year and next you are a moron. If you are not intteligent enough to get what I am saying that is fine, but please be above the petty name calling.

It is better to keep your mouth closed and have them think you are a fool than open your mouth and prove them right.

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Toronto won't trade bosh to us, the only assets we have, are expiring contracts, and jj hickson... multiple teams can beat that offer. plus bosh is an expiring himself...

The ONLY way for the cavs to get someone of the caliber of Bosh is through free agency, you're not improving your stature in my eyes with your ridiculous arguments..

Mo Delonte LeBron Bosh Andy > Any line-up you can aquire through trade...
 
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Toronto won't trade bosh to us, the only assets we have, are expiring contracts, and jj hickson... multiple teams can beat that offer. plus bosh is an expiring himself...

The ONLY way for the cavs to get someone of the caliber of Bosh is through free agency, you're not improving your stature in my eyes with your ridiculous arguments..

Mo Delonte LeBron Bosh Andy > Any line-up you can aquire through trade...

Bosh is not the missing piece anyways, he plays poor post defense. I would rather have a healthy amare and teach him defense....all that said, you dont seem to get (alot of fans dont though) how next to impossible it will be to get a bosh/wade/amare level player through free agency. That summer we wont have the cap room,. and we are buyers not sellers. We do your plan and we have a great shot of Lebron just leaving after the cavs have a disapointing year and he looks around at how bare the cubbards are.

We cant resign andy and have enough cap space. 60% of our cap will go to 2 players. 60% because a max contract to a 7 year players is 30%. 30% X 2 = 60%. Mo is on the books for 10, delonte 5...so thats another 15 mill. If the cap is 55 mill that leaves 22 for mo, delonte and others. We have a cap hold for 12 players. We will have those 4 plus rookies....not even enough room for the min rookie salary much less hickson, jackson, etc....

So one last time, you have to ask yourself, is it worth having Bosh, Lebron, Mo, West and 11 rookie/vet min players. I say hell no. Cubbards too bare, Lebron looks around and doesnt like it, gives his buddy Jay Z a call....and leaves

Draft and trades is how you get your key players, free agency is for complimentary players if you are a contender. The exception is for aging vets who are ring chasing. Bosh is not ring chasing yet.
 
Bosh is not the missing piece anyways, he plays poor post defense. I would rather have a healthy amare and teach him defense....all that said, you dont seem to get (alot of fans dont though) how next to impossible it will be to get a bosh/wade/amare level player through free agency. That summer we wont have the cap room,. and we are buyers not sellers. We do your plan and we have a great shot of Lebron just leaving after the cavs have a disapointing year and he looks around at how bare the cubbards are.

We cant resign andy and have enough cap space. 60% of our cap will go to 2 players. 60% because a max contract to a 7 year players is 30%. 30% X 2 = 60%. Mo is on the books for 10, delonte 5...so thats another 15 mill. If the cap is 55 mill that leaves 22 for mo, delonte and others. We have a cap hold for 12 players. We will have those 4 plus rookies....not even enough room for the min rookie salary much less hickson, jackson, etc....

So one last time, you have to ask yourself, is it worth having Bosh, Lebron, Mo, West and 11 rookie/vet min players. I say hell no. Cubbards too bare, Lebron looks around and doesnt like it, gives his buddy Jay Z a call....and leaves

Draft and trades is how you get your key players, free agency is for complimentary players if you are a contender. The exception is for aging vets who are ring chasing. Bosh is not ring chasing yet.

You're right in some aspects, wrong in others; there's a cap hold up to 12 players, not for 15 players..

I'm not saying its guaranteed that we can get bosh, but its better than getting long contracts that are small upgrades.. if we trade, it better be worth it, thats all im saying..


But if we manage finances correctly (e.g. maximize cap space in 2010) we can have all the cap space we need.. and if not, we fall short by 1-2 million, there's still joe johnson, ray allen, lamarcus aldridge, brandon roy, etc we can offer that to... hell, bosh may take a small pay cut to come play with lebron... (15 million in cleveland or 16 million in new york...)


Also -

Mo, LeBron, Delonte, Andy, Bosh, JJ, Darnell (3rd yr players), 4 draft pick, Vet Min player, then we can fill out the team (because you can use hte MLE as long as your over the cap before the first day of the season)

is so much better than you're making it out to be...
 
Bosh is not the missing piece anyways, he plays poor post defense. I would rather have a healthy amare and teach him defense....all that said, you dont seem to get (alot of fans dont though) how next to impossible it will be to get a bosh/wade/amare level player through free agency. That summer we wont have the cap room,. and we are buyers not sellers. We do your plan and we have a great shot of Lebron just leaving after the cavs have a disapointing year and he looks around at how bare the cubbards are.

We cant resign andy and have enough cap space. 60% of our cap will go to 2 players. 60% because a max contract to a 7 year players is 30%. 30% X 2 = 60%. Mo is on the books for 10, delonte 5...so thats another 15 mill. If the cap is 55 mill that leaves 22 for mo, delonte and others. We have a cap hold for 12 players. We will have those 4 plus rookies....not even enough room for the min rookie salary much less hickson, jackson, etc....

So one last time, you have to ask yourself, is it worth having Bosh, Lebron, Mo, West and 11 rookie/vet min players. I say hell no. Cubbards too bare, Lebron looks around and doesnt like it, gives his buddy Jay Z a call....and leaves

Draft and trades is how you get your key players, free agency is for complimentary players if you are a contender. The exception is for aging vets who are ring chasing. Bosh is not ring chasing yet.

I think this years team is close to win title. You will basically have improved Mo,Delonte,Andy,Gibson,JJ,DJ,Lebron and replace Ben,wally,sasha for Bosh. That team will be much better then current one.
Mo,Delonte,Gibson can play PG-SG positions for total 48 minutes. With signing Jason Kidd type ring chasers and Lebron, you simply lock 1-2-3 positions. A loyal Z will sign vet min for championship, that makes Z,Bosh,Andy,JJ,DJ for frontcourt.
Summary:That team will be incredible.
 
I appreciate anyone willing to put in that much research for a message board post. Thanks.
 
In order to clear enough room to re-sign LeBron and add a top tier talent in free agency 2010 the Cavs can't add any contracts now of decent size that run past this coming season. They also can't re-sign Varejao. They can't use the MLE this offseason unless it's for a 1 year deal and I'm not sure that's even possible. They would also have to renounce all their own FA's other than LeBron after the coming season.
Since they'd be under the cap they couldn't use the MLE in 2010 since that's an exception for teams over the cap.

I'd hate to have to take all these steps and then not end up with one of the top of the 2010 FA's. If the Cavs go in this direction they have to be guaranteed to get a Bosh level player.

First of all, who said they can't re-sign Varejao..why not a 1-year deal? That'd make sense for both parties: pay Varejao a high salary number, see if he earns it; on the other side Fegan and Co. can capitalize on the big summer of 2010 and see if they can get more money... Even if they did re-sign Varejao to a big deal (say $8 million per) then we'd only have around $28 million committed to next year's cap, which would mean we'd have around $21 million (after draft picks)...

Can't use the MLE? Sure we can... Using my figure above, means we could add a MLE type player and still have around $15 million left to use on a player like Bosh... But with the players we seem to be looking at, one-year deals don't seem like too far out of the question but rather the preferred option..

And you're right we couldn't use the MLE but I'd much rather have the room to go after Bosh then use the MLE on some average role player..

You're guaranteed of nothing, which is scary, but like I mentioned before the class is so deep that missing on Bosh and having the cap space isn't going to kill you because you still could get 1 or 2 more quality players...

I truly believe we can get the right pieces that would make it okay to go after Bosh in 2010 and still be competitive now--it's completely possible..

Plus: you really think LeBron would be okay with acquiring a Kaman, Villanueva, Jamison, etc., at the expense of our 2010 cap room? I don't...
 
And we CAN use the MLE in 2010 AFTER we fill out our first 12 roster spots...(as long as it puts us over the salary cap that is)
 
And we CAN use the MLE in 2010 AFTER we fill out our first 12 roster spots...(as long as it puts us over the salary cap that is)

No, we have to renounce the rights to it, because it counts against the cap.
 

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