2012 Draft

[Mdog1]

i think it's funny that people think that the cavs base their analysis on hollinger's ratings.

the cavs are a data-centric team. hollingers ratings are like the duplo version of those metrics. i am sure there is some overlap, but it's not like the cavs are reading espn insider to get their data analysis.

Why in the hell not? Insider is only like 5 or 6 bucks. Think of the money we could save.

 

[Futuredome]

Maybe they will make a movie about the Cavs "moneyball" type system after they capture multiple titles. It will start with the "decision" and then move onto the process of building the NBA's next dynasty. Go through the 2014 playoffs when the Cavs beat the Heat onto the first ring.

 

[Witz]

Probly posted but what the hell, new light on Sullinger's injury sounds extremely painful :chuckles:

[video=youtube;EdXgDEohW-A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdXgDEohW-A&feature=player_embedded[/video]

 

[NarlCavs]

Bothers me a little that after using the #4 overall pick last year on a PF and trading 3 picks to move up 7 spots this year for a C, the Cavs still aren't at all set at either of those positions long term. They still need talent there and actually need a big time major talent who can be a 17-20 point a night scorer at one of those positions.

 

[Surge]

Bothers me a little that after using the #4 overall pick last year on a PF and trading 3 picks to move up 7 spots this year for a C, the Cavs still aren't at all set at either of those positions long term. They still need talent there and actually need a big time major talent who can be a 17-20 point a night scorer at one of those positions.

Narl, I agree with you. But I think that given the proper coaching (which we have), and with steady development, Zeller could be a really good scorer. He has a good looking jumpshot, finishes well around the rim, and shoots 80% from the stripe.

I don't see 20ppg from him, but 13-16 doesn't seem unrealistic to me, even if not this year.

 

[wuck]

Other than taking on Azubuike's contract last night, I was a little surprised that the Cavs didn't throw Gilbert's money around a bit. For example, a couple low draft picks were sold. They are being especially cautious (prudent?) about contract-lengths, fit, and so on. And I hope they're that reserved during FA, but Gilbert's bank account seemed like one thing they didn't take as much advantage of last night. I guess it could be argued that they spent his $ early (absorbing Walton's contract in the Sessions deal) instead of last night to get #24 in the first place.

What they were able to get by acquiring #24 was pretty good, all things considered, but buying back in to the draft would have been a nice luxury.

 

[daddywags]

Very anticlimatic draft following weeks/months of build up. I can't critique the Waiters pick because I never bothered to focus on him during the season and since nobody on that team was thought to be a lottery pick, I never really watched them all that much. Never noticed Waiters that I can recall, though. From the few videos posted it seems he's got an NBA body (although I would be concerned about weight gain) and is really aggressive attacking the basket. I like that because it's necessary in the NBA. Since I really wasn't in love with anybody beyond Davis, I'm okay with the Waiters pick.

I don't like the Zeller pick because whenever I watched him he looked like a guy who'll get pushed around a lot in the NBA, even by shorter, stockier, PFs. Plus, his game didn't seem terribly refined for a 4 year player at UNC.

All in all, if the draft fell the way it did and we were able to trade up to 17 (which I think generally was a good move), I would have taken Drummond at 4 and Tony Wroten, probably, at 17. A little high for both, for sure, but I like that combo better than Waiters/Zeller. but what the heck do I know? On to training camp! Can't wait to watch them play!

 

[TrueCavsFan2]

Can people stop complaining before we've even seen them play. We probably trade Andy for a SF or pick mid season due to the fact we Drafted Zeller. Deal with it. Happened and it's over. Make the best of it now.

 

[wuck]

Can people stop complaining before we've even seen them play.

Good luck with that. :chuckles:

 

[Alec]

I liked someone's comment about now having a complete frontcourt player (Z's offense, TT's defense).

Next year's pick (or the pick Varejao yields) should be used to take that complete player who can play both ways.

 

[TitleTown]

Other than taking on Azubuike's contract last night, I was a little surprised that the Cavs didn't throw Gilbert's money around a bit. For example, a couple low draft picks were sold. They are being especially cautious (prudent?) about contract-lengths, fit, and so on. And I hope they're that reserved during FA, but Gilbert's bank account seemed like one thing they didn't take as much advantage of last night. I guess it could be argued that they spent his $ early (absorbing Walton's contract in the Sessions deal) instead of last night to get #24 in the first place.

What they were able to get by acquiring #24 was pretty good, all things considered, but buying back in to the draft would have been a nice luxury.

After reading Windhorsts article, and watching the post-draft presser, they seemed completely convinced that they didn't want more than 2 rookies coming out of this draft.

While I wish we would have taken a shot at Quincy Miller or Draymond Green in the 2nd round, I like that our FO has a clear game plan that they are sticking to.

 

[TrueCavsFan2]

Agreed. Should they have thrown in cash and kept a second rounder, sure... But if they feel that 2 rookies is enough, than let them figure it out. We should just watch and hope, and let the FO work. Who are we to judge picks and players.

And, this also annoys me. People say "we could have had them and them and them.." If the FO knew those players (the ones that people name) would be there, do you think if they had interest they would trade away those picks. Q.Miller going 38 is a mystery!! How did he drop? Our FO wouldn't know before the trade. They wouldn't know PJ3 fell as far as he did either. So to say we could have got so and so, put your self in their shoes. Would you have done the same at that point assuming (like they did, and should have) that the players would be gone?

 

[wuck]

After reading Windhorsts article, and watching the post-draft presser, they seemed completely convinced that they didn't want more than 2 rookies coming out of this draft.

While I wish we would have taken a shot at Quincy Miller or Draymond Green in the 2nd round, I like that our FO has a clear game plan that they are sticking to.

Yeah, it sounded like was about a philosophy (2 rookies, 3 max) rather than money. I do like they that they have a game plan, just would like some injections of risk when the cost isn't as high. I mean, they're willing to bring up 5 D-League players every year for peanuts after all. No risk to that, virtually no money either. Can't complain too much when Gilbert is willing to pay Walton every month.

 

[Cavatt]

I was underwhelmed at 4. I don't think T-robb is an allstar talent. If Waiters even has a chance, then I am down.

Zellers is interesting to me because he is so good in transition. It is obvious to me what type of team they want to build. They want guys that can move. I understand Zellers is not strong enough, who knows if he can put on the muscle necessary. However, his positioning looks great. He blocks out, and he has good hands. Good enough.

 

[wuck]

According to Colangelo (Toronto GM), Toronto was offered $1.75M for the 37th pick in the draft (1 pick before Q. Miller was taken) and decided to hold on to the pick because they liked their options. They picked Quincy Acy, also from Baylor.