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2012 Presidential Election

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Who Will Win the 2012 Presidential Election?

  • Barack Obama

    Votes: 70 60.9%
  • Mitt Romney

    Votes: 42 36.5%
  • Electoral College Tie

    Votes: 3 2.6%

  • Total voters
    115
  • Poll closed .
One of the greatest things written by human hands about the history of U.S. presidents:


http://faceintheblue.wordpress.com/...ery-american-president-who-would-win-and-why/

Enjoy!

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John Adams
is going out early. Nothing against the man, but portly well-spoken lawyers bring lampoons to a knife fight. It doesn’t end well.
Woodrow Wilson -
A brilliant mind and a delicate physique. Dead very early.
Jimmy Carter
and a knife fight is a comical thought to me. Among the first dead would be my suspicion.


For look as to historical rank,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States
 
If you want to know who the greatest presidents were according to the court historians, and therefore the history books, they are always the ones who killed the most people.
 
So true. I consider Lincoln our greatest leader. My grandfather and I talk about Lincoln and his policies every time we are in the same room. Ohio has traditionally been Republican because of these critical years, but that was 150+ years ago. I doubt Lincoln would have been considered in a Democratic primary, let alone the Republican primary, in our society today. He was deeply opinionated and didn't bow down to rich influences easily. He was deeply principled.

Look at how both Romney and Obama were forced to shape who they were around surveys and polls... I doubt America will see someone like Lincoln in the POTUS role again.

We could see someone like Lincoln again. There's just going to have to be some serious campaign finance reform first.
 
We could see someone like Lincoln again. There's just going to have to be some serious campaign finance reform first.

What campaign finance reform do we need?

I know the answer will probably be "get big money out of it", and to a point I agree. In a perfect world, I would like to see (example, random numbers) a cap of $100 per person donation to the Presidential campaign, $25 to a Senate campaign, $20 to a House campaign and $10 to a state or local campaign. Donations could only be made to your potential representatives, not sending $25 to the Senator in Idaho when I am in Florida. In practice that sounds great.

The two problems are 1) those caps prohibit my freedom of speech. If I want to donate $100,000 to a candidate I should be able to. Don't like it, give $100,000 to your candidate. Have it be in the open instead of hiding it behind some group with a patriotic sounding name. and 2) every "reform" creates more of a mess and unintended consequences. If there wasn't a ban for years on outside interests or corporations form contributing/advertising and Citizens United didn't have to sue, we probably wouldn't have all these Super PACswith multi-million budgets that we do now. At least they wouldn't be so centrally organized. Corporations would still send lobbyists to Washington to gain political favors.

What we really need is more debating. Three scripted debates don't do anything to show what the candidates really stand for, just sound bites being thrown back and forth. I would like a debate every two weeks from the end of conventions until the elections. Two hours each debate. Little moderation, more like Lincoln-Douglas. Any candidate that is on a majority of state ballots would be included. After every third debate, America could have a call in vote via phone or text message, and if a candidate/party didn't get 5% of that total, they aren't invited to the next round of debates. The Green, Socialist, Libertarians and anyone who can get on a majority of state ballots for President would be in the first series.
 
What campaign finance reform do we need?

I know the answer will probably be "get big money out of it", and to a point I agree. In a perfect world, I would like to see (example, random numbers) a cap of $100 per person donation to the Presidential campaign, $25 to a Senate campaign, $20 to a House campaign and $10 to a state or local campaign. Donations could only be made to your potential representatives, not sending $25 to the Senator in Idaho when I am in Florida. In practice that sounds great.

The two problems are 1) those caps prohibit my freedom of speech. If I want to donate $100,000 to a candidate I should be able to. Don't like it, give $100,000 to your candidate. Have it be in the open instead of hiding it behind some group with a patriotic sounding name. and 2) every "reform" creates more of a mess and unintended consequences. If there wasn't a ban for years on outside interests or corporations form contributing/advertising and Citizens United didn't have to sue, we probably wouldn't have all these Super PACswith multi-million budgets that we do now. At least they wouldn't be so centrally organized. Corporations would still send lobbyists to Washington to gain political favors.

What we really need is more debating. Three scripted debates don't do anything to show what the candidates really stand for, just sound bites being thrown back and forth. I would like a debate every two weeks from the end of conventions until the elections. Two hours each debate. Little moderation, more like Lincoln-Douglas. Any candidate that is on a majority of state ballots would be included. After every third debate, America could have a call in vote via phone or text message, and if a candidate/party didn't get 5% of that total, they aren't invited to the next round of debates. The Green, Socialist, Libertarians and anyone who can get on a majority of state ballots for President would be in the first series.

Excellent points. Campaign finance reform means nothing. The only way to keep special interests from buying politicians is to take away the government's power to grant them favors. That would also take away their ability to centrally plan the economy though, so people have been indoctrinated not to like that idea.
 
Israel going after Hamas, Libya interrogations, CIA scandal, falling stock market, "fiscal cliff," large debt. Fun times.
 
This thread has taken a noticeable nose dive sense the election. I used to be to get on here and have a good discussion on important points. It has turned into this is my view, and shove it down everyone throat.

Israel going after Hamas, Libya interrogations, CIA scandal, falling stock market, "fiscal cliff," large debt. Fun times.

These are the issues we should be talking about. This fiscal cliff is the real deal, who knows what is going to happen in Israel. The rest of this year, and 1st Q next year could be very rocky, and bad for the country. I hope Obama is ready to be the mediator we need in congress, and push both sides to meet in the middle and give on both sides. SO far it has seemed like his approach is, my way, or I will lead the country to the cliff. I hope I am wrong, and both sides get their heads out of their ass and do whats best for the long-tern of this country.

I am also getting annoyed, that 250K/year is the sticking point for who is rich and who is not rich. I think taxes should only increase on those over 500K and up. 250K for a family is not much for a middle class family in NY, or Cali.
 
Israel going after Hamas, Libya interrogations, CIA scandal, falling stock market, "fiscal cliff," large debt. Fun times.

Yeah, but, we can totally get free birth control from the Government! That alone triumphs over everything!

This thread has taken a noticeable nose dive sense the election. I used to be to get on here and have a good discussion on important points. It has turned into this is my view, and shove it down everyone throat.



These are the issues we should be talking about. This fiscal cliff is the real deal, who knows what is going to happen in Israel. The rest of this year, and 1st Q next year could be very rocky, and bad for the country. I hope Obama is ready to be the mediator we need in congress, and push both sides to meet in the middle and give on both sides. SO far it has seemed like his approach is, my way, or I will lead the country to the cliff. I hope I am wrong, and both sides get their heads out of their ass and do whats best for the long-tern of this country.

I am also getting annoyed, that 250K/year is the sticking point for who is rich and who is not rich. I think taxes should only increase on those over 500K and up. 250K for a family is not much for a middle class family in NY, or Cali.
Don't you understand? Every rich person is Bill Gates rich. What do you think the rich people do with that money? Own a business employing people? Think about the social issues like free weed man!

But on the reals, if I had enough money I wouldn't miss, I would go in on LULU, PVH, and VFC.
 
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i could live more than comfortably with 250k split between me and a wife in ca.
 
Damnit DaveK, I dropped some stock market knowledge on the last page, and now you are your non existent wife blocked it.
 
chardon, you regurgitate underdeveloped talking points that follow the right to a "t". It shan't be missed
 
Can someone tell me why Obama is traveling all over Asia? Shouldn't his focus be on OUR country?
 

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