2016-2017 Around The NBA

[K1rieIrving>AllOtherPG's]

Saw a post on Reddit showing that Westbrook was out of defensive position in order to get rebounds 11 out his 13 defensive rebounds, literally the definition of stat padding.

I'm not saying the numbers are not impressive but it seems to me that Westbrook cares more about his stats & individual awards than leading his team, playing the right way & winning games.

Dude has been in the NBA for 8 years, not sure if its bad coaching or if this guy is just uncoachable, but he still hasn't shown the ability to run an modern successful NBA offense when everybody are touching the ball, its still the simple give the ball to westbrook & let him do what ever he wants gameplan, which is terrible & is the reason the Thunder are posting the lowest passing stats as a team in the NBA.

 

[Derek]

Saw a post on Reddit showing that Westbrook was out of defensive position in order to get rebounds 11 out his 13 defensive rebounds, literally the definition of stat padding.

I'm not saying the numbers are not impressive but it seems to me that Westbrook cares more about his stats & individual awards than leading his team & winning games.

Dude has been in the NBA for 8 years, not sure if its bad coaching or if this guy is just uncoachable, but he still hasn't shown the ability to run an modern successful NBA offense when everybody are touching the ball, its still the simple give the ball to westbrook & let him do what ever he wants gameplan, which is terrible & is the reason the Thunder are posting the lowest passing stats in the NBA.

He's doing something right because he's dragging that sad sack roster to an 11-8 record so far.

 

[FrontPageNews]

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2015...6-17&SeasonType=Regular Season&PerMode=Totals


Westbrook is giving up nearly 70% 6 feet or less at the rim. I'm not denying he's a good player but that's unacceptable. He's worse defensively than harden or Kyrie. It's no wonder he's getting so many rebounds, he's not even guarding his man when he gets in close. He's leaving his man to grab a rebound. That's the the kind of thing Kevin love use to do and would get killed for. But no one criticizes Russ because he puts up gotti box score stats.


And before anyone says it's because he has to carry the load on offense, he was almost as bad last year with KD.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201566/defense-dash/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular Season&PerMode=Totals


Westbrook is giving up nearly 70% 6 feet or less at the rim. I'm not denying he's a good player but that's unacceptable. He's worse defensively than harden or Kyrie. It's no wonder he's getting so many rebounds, he's not even guarding his man when he gets in close. He's leaving his man to grab a rebound. That's the the kind of thing Kevin love use to do and would get killed for. But no one criticizes Russ because he puts up gotti box score stats.


And before anyone says it's because he has to carry the load on offense, he was almost as bad last year with KD.

2k player... I do it all the time.

 

[Jordan]

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201566/defense-dash/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular Season&PerMode=Totals


Westbrook is giving up nearly 70% 6 feet or less at the rim. I'm not denying he's a good player but that's unacceptable. He's worse defensively than harden or Kyrie. It's no wonder he's getting so many rebounds, he's not even guarding his man when he gets in close. He's leaving his man to grab a rebound. That's the the kind of thing Kevin love use to do and would get killed for. But no one criticizes Russ because he puts up gotti box score stats.


And before anyone says it's because he has to carry the load on offense, he was almost as bad last year with KD.

In what universe is 62.5% closer to 70% than 60%?

I'm not saying Westbrook has been good defensively near the rim, he hasn't, but also look at what his opponents are averaging on the season on those same shots. Westbrook is giving up 6.5% worse on shots near the rim than his opponents' average. By no means is this good, however, it's not nearly as bad as you are making it out to seem, especially on less than three attempts per game. Context is always important, but especially so this early in the season, make sure you consider it when looking at these stats.

 

[David.]

In what universe is 62.5% closer to 70% than 60%?

I'm not saying Westbrook has been good defensively near the rim, he hasn't, but also look at what his opponents are averaging on the season on those same shots. Westbrook is giving up 6.5% worse on shots near the rim than his opponents' average. By no means is this good, however, it's not nearly as bad as you are making it out to seem, especially on less than three attempts per game. Context is always important, but especially so this early in the season, make sure you consider it when looking at these stats.

It's also apparently a statistic that is measured by who is guarding the rim and picking up your slack.

I'd really like to see the methodology of that statistic. It measures Chris Paul as an OK defender. Something is not adding up

 

[mhi]

Thanks God for league pass. There is always a better game in the next channel.

BKN vs LAC will be good for getting that Bucks game out of my taste.

 

[Jordan]

It's also apparently a statistic that is measured by who is guarding the rim and picking up your slack.

I'd really like to see the methodology of that statistic. It measures Chris Paul as an OK defender. Something is not adding up

They detailed the methodology on their site last year but removed it this season. Basically, if the designated assignment Player A had on one position was Player X, it tracks where Player X shoots, and then designates that as a make or miss. It's similar in a lot of ways to plus/minus in that, it definitely has some degree of explanatory merit, but should never be viewed as the sole explanation.

 

[K1rieIrving>AllOtherPG's]

The Cavs, Clippers, and Spurs lost to the Bucks, Nets, and Magic
Top 4 teams losing to sub 500. teams all on the same night, so weird lmao

Edit: "According to Basketball Power Index, there was less than a 1% chance for the Spurs, Clippers and Cavaliers to all lose tonight. From a Vegas perspective, a $100 3-team parlay on the Magic, Nets and Bucks would win $20,712"

 

[K1rieIrving>AllOtherPG's]

Apparently the Timberwolves have the NBA's most efficient 1st Half Offense.
Their 3rd quarters are the worst QT's for any team in the past 20 years, with a net rating of -30.

This is just bizarre, do they play with the 3rd stringers coming out of halftime or something lol

 

[The Process God]

Westbrook reminds me of Oscar Robertson right now with how similar their stat lines are. I've had a few conversations with Jerry Lucas, and Jerry called Oscar a stat stuffer. He said that if Oscar wasn't more than half way to his 32, 10, and 10 at half-time that they would lose the game because Oscar would be spending the rest of the game trying to get his. Jerry told me that his goal was to never let Oscar get a rebound.

Jerry was/is a pure genius. He literally, mathematically knew where the ball was going to go.

 

[Jordan]

On a slightly different note, I just finished an article about the Chicago Bulls. I tried to examine why they have had success this season.

http://sportsbystats.com/2016/11/30/fred-hoiberg-jimmy-butler-dwyane-wade-and-the-post-thibs-bulls/

 

[Jordan]

Wizards vs. Thunder should be a good one tonight. Wizards have won four out of their last five and OKC has won three straight. Wall vs. Westbrook, Beal playing well, Adams vs. Gortat, etc.

 

[KilgoreTrout]

In what universe is 62.5% closer to 70% than 60%?

I'm not saying Westbrook has been good defensively near the rim, he hasn't, but also look at what his opponents are averaging on the season on those same shots. Westbrook is giving up 6.5% worse on shots near the rim than his opponents' average. By no means is this good, however, it's not nearly as bad as you are making it out to seem, especially on less than three attempts per game. Context is always important, but especially so this early in the season, make sure you consider it when looking at these stats.

70% of the time, he gets dunked on 100% of the time...

 

[KilgoreTrout]

Westbrook reminds me of Oscar Robertson right now with how similar their stat lines are. I've had a few conversations with Jerry Lucas, and Jerry called Oscar a stat stuffer. He said that if Oscar wasn't more than half way to his 32, 10, and 10 that they would lose the game because Oscar would be spending the rest of the game trying to get his. Jerry told me that his goal was to never let Oscar get a rebound.

Jerry was/is a pure genius. He literally, mathematically knew where the ball was going to go.

People also MISSED a lot more, in the Big O's era. Lot more rebounds to go around...