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2016 Draft: Top Prospects

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Rob said:
Here's to hoping the Celtics get the worst pick possible.
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And the Lakers falling outside of the top 3... just because it's the Lakers.

I'll be rooting for any of the Nuggets, Kings, Pelicans, Suns to jump into the top 3. Would be fine with the Sixers staying at 1 too.
 
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Still holding out hope the Cavs can purchase the last 1st rounder by Philly and select one of those talented Center's to replace Mozzy.

AJ Hammons
Stephen Zimmerman
Ante Zicic
Ivica Zubac

Or even that PF stud Ben Bentil
 
The Cavaliers are no longer in the early or mid-stages of the rebuild, they are essentially built and this is the end game. Now if a franchise builds the right way in the mid-moves and draft wisely, they have draft picks to reload the end of the bench. The Cavaliers aren't afforded this luxury because of draft mistakes and the ensuing trades to become a true contender. Their best hope is to attract bargains in free agency while the draft pick debt is paid. Nobody should be pulling for the Cavs to lose assets in the present to build for the future just yet.
 
You got to wonder if it is rigged. I never thought it was but I'm starting to wonder if it is possible.

For instance, look how terrible the East is. Two of the top three teams are not only in the East, but they happen to be big markets.

Philly and Boston. One of those teams in Boston is on the verge of being a contender. Boy the NBA needs that. They can't continue to have the piss poor Hawks and the Raptors of the world be relevant. It's not just a market thing. They're not that good. They have no appeal. No one wants to see these teams.

Then the other team is the darling Lakers.

Do I care its rigged, if it is? Not really, I don't to be honest. I'd prefer it wasn't.

If it is then we have the NBA to thank.

I don't think if it is rigged for malicious purpose to fuck over teams and allow the rich to get richer.

The NBA is a business and they want a functional product across the board.

Teams can still fuck that up though and there are always better players in the draft than anyone thought.

But the product in the NBA is watered down right now. There are a lot of really bad to mediocre teams this season.

I only count US, the Clippers, OKC, Spurs, and OKC as legit really good teams this year. The rest is garbage, below average, average, with maybe four slightly above average teams.
 
Can someone explain to me what Ben Simmons has done during a game, or during college, that makes people think he will be a superstar? Honestly, I would absolutely not draft him over Ingram, and moreover, would consider taking Hield over him too. Simmons' passing ability and size have made him incredibly overrated, in my opinion. But he is incredibly limited on offense and his defense has not been that great either.
 
jking948 said:
Can someone explain to me what Ben Simmons has done during a game, or during college, that makes people think he will be a superstar? Honestly, I would absolutely not draft him over Ingram, and moreover, would consider taking Hield over him too. Simmons' passing ability and size have made him incredibly overrated, in my opinion. But he is incredibly limited on offense and his defense has not been that great either.
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I've not followed NCAA much closely, but this seems like a weak class.

Boston might be the lucky ones. They're going to get Hield and he's going to be very good.

I wouldn't be surprised if ends up the best player in the draft.
 
godfather said:
I've not followed NCAA much closely, but this seems like a weak class.

Boston might be the lucky ones. They're going to get Hield and he's going to be very good.

I wouldn't be surprised if ends up the best player in the draft.
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Hield has a ton of potential. Scouts knocked him down because of his age. Idiotic to me. I think Simmons, Ingram, and Hield all have the potential to be franchise changing stars. With that said, I think the likelihood is much, much higher for the latter two than for the first.

Hield is a guy who should be able to come and make a contribution right away. He'd fit in great next to Thomas. At best he'll be a Dwyane Wade that can shoot 3s, at average he'll be a JR Smith/Kyle Korver shooter, and at worst I think you're looking at a rotation 3pt shooter.

Ingram, in my opinion, has the highest upside. At best, you're looking at Kevin Durant but with killer defense, i.e. a historically great player. At average I think you're seeing a Joe Johnson type player. But, the catch is, at worst I think he could be out of the league in a few years. If he doesn't put on muscle and improve his below-average basketball IQ, I think you'll see a James Jones type player that is not as valuable to his team.

Finally, Simmons. Everyone says that, at best, he will be the next LeBron. I'm here to tell you that is a load of horseshit. Simmons is an atrocious shooter who can make excellent, beautiful passes. The dilemma is his court vision is below-average for a player of his reputation. While he is incredibly, fast, strong, and athletic, at the same time, he gets easily distracted on defense. Have I mentioned how bad he is at shooting? It's abysmally bad. He simply does not make his teams significantly better. At best, you could end up with a Kawhi Leonard... Thing is I think the likelihood of that is by far the lowest of the four I'm about to give. More likely, but still a second best-case scenario, I think you are looking at a Rudy Gay-type player. I.E., an NBA starter that, in the right system, could actually be a very meaningful contributor. On average, my bet is Simmons becomes a Michael Kidd-Gilchrist type player. Or someone that does not contribute at all on offense but can be a solid defender who reads what teams are trying to do on both sides of the ball. At worst, and something I think is possible, you could be looking at Michael Beasley. Someone who has a lot of natural talent but never is able to put it to anything useful.

Just my read, though.
 
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What are the odds the cavs could make a move to get one of the Croatian centers or even thon maker ? I think either Croatian guy would be good for us as they can be draft and stashs
 
If anyone is interested in a new perspective for the NBA Draft this year, "The Vertical" on Yahoo Sports is conducting a live stream with a break-down of each pick and every trade by Woj.

Sounds like a better option than the talking heads. I don't know if I can go another year of hearing Jay Bilas talk about length.
 
The Lakers are trying to trade their pic. Doesn't anyone find it ironic they're trying to trade the Ingram/pic, and in 5 to 6 years they'll be trying to sign him in free agency.

Kupchak might be the worst GM in the NBA. I don't even like the Lakers, but his thought process pisses me off.

Draft and develop. Your team isn't ready to contend.
 
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godfather said:
The Lakers are trying to trade their pic. Doesn't anyone find it ironic they're trying to trade the Ingram/pic, and it 5 to 6 years they'll be trying to sign him in free agency.

Kupchak might be the worst GM in the NBA. I don't even like the Lakers, but his thought process pisses me off.

Draft and develop. Your team isn't ready to contend.
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I mean, I expected them to do this.

They could trade the pick for George, Butler or Cousins and then sign someone in Free Agency and become relevant instantly.

This is what the Lakers do, they aren't going to wait around for a team of rookies to develop.

Edit: The Lakers have almost 70 million in cap space, holy christ. They could trade for one of the above guys and still acquire 2 other all-stars...
 
Rob said:
I mean, I expected them to do this.

They could trade the pick for George, Butler or Cousins and then sign someone in Free Agency and become relevant instantly.

This is what the Lakers do, they aren't going to wait around for a team of rookies to develop.

Edit: The Lakers have almost 70 million in cap space, holy christ. They could trade for one of the above guys and still acquire 2 other all-stars...
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And teams have to be willing to do that.

George is pure fantasy. There's no way the Pacers are trading him. Unless the Lakers want to give them Russell, the number 2 pick, and future picks. That would be the asking price if I'm the Pacers to even entertain this.

I don't think they'd do it either way.

Cousins is a luny. I'm not sure I'd be willing to bank my future on him.

The Lakers were easily one of the worst two teams in the league. You got a rookie coach coming in. If you blow your cap space on two all-stars, not superstars (they're not getting two superstars), and it all goes bad.

Then you've just dug yourself in a big hole.

This rebuilding on an instant fly to make a contender doesn't work very well. Just ask the Knicks how that's gone.
 
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