2017-2018 Boston Celtics: No Irving! No Hayward! No Brooklyn Pick!

[Rich]

Exactly..Cavs should be getting a haul for KI including draft picks..Cavs should not shipping any picks out to anyone.

If you guys want draft picks then you need to give up on the notion of actually having a better team this year.

You aren't getting bonafide contributors like Bledsoe and MIddleton or something similar AND draft picks to boot.

 

[bigfoot5415]

Last night I was listening to national radio and the host brought up the point of younger NBA players sort of being over LBJ. He meant that he thinks the younger generation sees Lebron as an old timer and its not "cool" to be on his team anymore.

Putting Kyrie aside, does anyone else think the same way?

Secondly, Im pretty sure Kyrie has ties to a few younger guys...does anyone else think it may be an issue with a guy like Devon Booker? Superstar potential, I could see him being a target with Bledsoe, which IMO would improve our team in the log run. I also am fairly confident Kyrie has a relationship with him.

 

[The Red Viper]

Yeah, but I think he could exploit gsws weaknesses better than TT. He is still a terrible offensive player , but I always liked him.

I cant fucking type because of a damn shoulder surgery so i'll just continue to just read.

This is what happens when you don't respect Kev Love, Dom.

Seriously though, Take Care.

 

[bigfoot5415]

If you guys want draft picks then you need to give up on the notion of actually having a better team this year.

You aren't getting bonafide contributors like Bledsoe and MIddleton or something similar AND draft picks to boot.

In this case, yes. But I respectfully disagree depending on the situation.

PHX for example was trying to dump Bledsoe and attached a young talent or pick with his name. That was before Irving was even on the table. A team like that may take a flier on 2 years of Kyrie for a solid package + a pick.

Id simply ask for Bledsoe + Booker + the right to swap in 2018. Its a given we would get a higher pick, but also PHX would still have a 1st rounder.

 

[The Red Viper]

Last night I was listening to national radio and the host brought up the point of younger NBA players sort of being over LBJ. He meant that he thinks the younger generation sees Lebron as an old timer and its not "cool" to be on his team anymore.

Putting Kyrie aside, does anyone else think the same way?

Well, the human race is getting more idiotic as we evolve.

So, yeah, if they feel they would rather be lottery teams and get knocked out in the first round or so than be guarantee to play in the NBA Finals each year, good luck to them in life.

 

[NMCav]

Because we are also looking to compete this year and persuade LeBron to stay.

Murray is far from being ready. He has good talent offensively but defensively he is quite poor and against the Warriors, he would be exposed. So, he won't be a major factor against the Warriors. Harris is a good defender but he can't guard KD which is something we need to address as well. Chandler can be isn't a better defender or player than Middleton. The Denver core doesn't really move the needle at all to convince LeBron to stay.

The Bucks though is a different matter altogether. We can get Middleton + Brogdon + Thon Maker/one 1st rounder from the Bucks. In Middleton, we get a player who is better than any player Denver would be willing to give us. Then we can turn Brogdon + 1st rounder from the Bucks into Bledsoe.

So, essentially we would replace Kyrie with a very good PG, in Bledsoe who also plays good defense and in Middleton, a good 3&D wing who can handle the ball a bit and also guard KD. Offense, we get worse slightly but we improve our defense by a big margin. We address two of our biggest needs with Bledsoe + Middleton.

Also, both Bledsoe and Middleton are locked in at least for the next two years unlike Harris and Chandler who can be free-agents next summer. That is why I would anyday prefer the Bucks core of Brogdon, Middleton, 1st Rounder/Thon Maker over Murray, Harris and Chandler from the Bucks.

PHX ain't dealing Bledsoe unless they get Kyrie or potentially Love

And yes lets convince LBJ to stay by handing a division rival the best duo in the eastern conference

 

[The Red Viper]

In this case, yes. But I respectfully disagree depending on the situation.

PHX for example was trying to dump Bledsoe and attached a young talent or pick with his name. That was before Irving was even on the table. A team like that may take a flier on 2 years of Kyrie for a solid package + a pick.

Id simply ask for Bledsoe + Booker + the right to swap in 2018. Its a given we would get a higher pick, but also PHX would still have a 1st rounder.

Phoenix were never looking to "dump" Bledsoe.

They were looking to dump Knight.

Bledsoe, they were open to trade.

Forget the right to swap in 2018, no way Phoenix trades both Booker and Bledsoe for Kyrie. Josh Jackson instead of Booker is a good possibility, and I would be up for it.

 

[sleepmaster]

I'm starting to think Pritchard was playing multi-dimensional chess while everyone else was playing checkers.

Yeah, he nixed an agreed to deal at the 11th hour, and ended up with lesser talent on the deal, but look at the big picture: He may have precipitated the blow up of the #1 rival in the division a year early. Had he dealt PG to Cleveland, he's potentially seeing a re-signed George, re-signed LeBron and under contract Irving (this was prior to trade request, mind you) for the next 3-5 seasons.

Sending George to an also-ran out west may force James out of Cleveland (and out of the East?), where afterwards the Cavs would be shopping Irving and Love anyway (you know tank mode's coming if James leaves) and Indiana's timetable to move back up the division ladder is accelerated.

Well played, sir! Irving asking out is simply good luck added on.

With how the Cavs still have a chance to get George, Pritchard trading him to the Lakers was the best way to get Lebron to leave Cleveland.

The Cavs won't get equal value for Kyrie, especially offensively, which forces the Cavs to go the defensive route. I think if the Cavs front office sells James on being the team that has the best matchup against the Warriors in Bledsoe-Jackson-Lebron-George(three defenders to put on Durant, two friends of James) or Bledsoe-Jackson-Lebron-Cousins(one James friend if OKC won't trade George but Cousins and Bledsoe are friends), they have a decent chance to retain James. They can say to James their defense is good enough, certainly better than the Rockets or Lakers, with potential to have enough offense to beat the Warriors with that defense, especially if Jackson develops a shooting stroke.

 

[sailfish]

Biyombo's contract is just too damn unbearable. Can't bring a bad contract like that back for Irving.

Biyombo is two years younger and is making only slightly more than Thompson. Their per 48 minute stats are very similar, although Biyombo averages 0.5 more rebounds and 0.7 more blocks. I'd consider including Thompson & Biyombo in the deal.

As one who lives in Florida and usually attends 7-8 Magic games per year, I can attest that the franchise is stuck in a rut and in need of a kickstart. Florida fans are fickle and they desperately need a star player, like Kyrie, to connect with. That said, I believe the Magic would trade anyone from their roster, with the possible exception of Isaac. Aaron Gordon is a guy who intrigues me. They tried to make him a three-point shooting small forward and that's just not a good fit for him. He's an energy player, not unlike Draymond Green, who is best on the break and gobbling up rebounds.

I'd consider trading Kyrie & Thompson for Biyombo, Terrence Ross, Gordon, Elfrid Payton, & an unprotected 1st round pick. Our defense improves significantly with that deal. Payton is atheltic and a very good defender. He'd be a great third guard off the bench for a good team.

 

[MediumBaller]

Last night I was listening to national radio and the host brought up the point of younger NBA players sort of being over LBJ. He meant that he thinks the younger generation sees Lebron as an old timer and its not "cool" to be on his team anymore.

Putting Kyrie aside, does anyone else think the same way?

Secondly, Im pretty sure Kyrie has ties to a few younger guys...does anyone else think it may be an issue with a guy like Devon Booker? Superstar potential, I could see him being a target with Bledsoe, which IMO would improve our team in the log run. I also am fairly confident Kyrie has a relationship with him.

I don't buy that for a second, unless the younger generation doesn't think playing in the finals every year is cool. He's this generation's Jordan. They grew up watching him dominate so I highly doubt they don't want to play with him.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

This is what happens when you don't respect Kev Love, Dom.

Seriously though, Take Care.

Thanks.. it's fucking terrible. Just stopped taking Percocet .. seems like I have aged so terribly quick since I started taking the meds lol.

I was complimenting Love nonstop towards the end though.. I think it's probably because of Irving this time.

 

[Rich]

In this case, yes. But I respectfully disagree depending on the situation.

PHX for example was trying to dump Bledsoe and attached a young talent or pick with his name. That was before Irving was even on the table. A team like that may take a flier on 2 years of Kyrie for a solid package + a pick.

Id simply ask for Bledsoe + Booker + the right to swap in 2018. Its a given we would get a higher pick, but also PHX would still have a 1st rounder.

I've never heard of Phoenix trying to "dump" Bledsoe, and it doesn't make sense that they would.

He's a good player. His contract isn't crazy. They aren't even close to the salary cap, let alone the luxury. What's the benefit of giving away assets to move him?

I don't buy that.

PHX ain't dealing Bledsoe unless they get Kyrie or potentially Love

Based on? Just pull this out of thin air, or have any evidence to back this up whatsoever?

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Biyombo is two years younger and is making only slightly more than Thompson. Their per 48 minute stats are very similar, although Biyombo averages 0.5 more rebounds and 0.7 more blocks. I'd consider including Thompson & Biyombo in the deal.

As one who lives in Florida and usually attends 7-8 Magic games per year, I can attest that the franchise is stuck in a rut and in need of a kickstart. Florida fans are fickle and they desperately need a star player, like Kyrie, to connect with. That said, I believe the Magic would trade anyone from their roster, with the possible exception of Isaac. Aaron Gordon is a guy who intrigues me. They tried to make him a three-point shooting small forward and that's just not a good fit for him. He's an energy player, not unlike Draymond Green, who is best on the break and gobbling up rebounds.

I'd consider trading Kyrie & Thompson for Biyombo, Terrence Ross, Gordon, Elfrid Payton, & an unprotected 1st round pick. Our defense improves significantly with that deal. Payton is atheltic and a very good defender. He'd be a great third guard off the bench for a good team.

Gotta het isaac back. If we get Isaac and Gordon we could potentially look to trade Love if they pan out. Now im really done .. typing kills my damn shoulder.

 

[Green Lantern]

If you guys want draft picks then you need to give up on the notion of actually having a better team this year.

You aren't getting bonafide contributors like Bledsoe and MIddleton or something similar AND draft picks to boot.

Like I always say lets see what happens and who they trade with and what they get.
Then people say we'll get this and that or won't get this and that..but usually when you get a star player someone gives up something of value.
I know no picks were giving up with George to OKC but that was Indy's determination to ship him out of the EC.

 

[sailfish]

Gotta het isaac back. If we get Isaac and Gordon we could potentially look to trade Love if they pan out. Now im really done .. typing kills my damn shoulder.

Isaac might not be a deal killer, but I really doubt that you would get the unprotected 1st if he is included. If Isaac were included we would also have to throw someone like Frye or Shumpert in the deal. So, then the deal would be Irving, Thompson, Frye or Shumpert -for- Biyombo, Terrence Ross, Gordon, Elfrid Payton, & Jonathan Isaac. Cavs get back ALOT of young talent and their defense improves drastically.