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2017-2018 Boston Celtics: No Irving! No Hayward! No Brooklyn Pick!

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Regrade the finalized trade

  • A+

    Votes: 20 8.0%

  • A

    Votes: 70 27.9%

  • B

    Votes: 74 29.5%

  • C

    Votes: 39 15.5%

  • D

    Votes: 18 7.2%

  • F

    Votes: 30 12.0%
  • Total voters
    251
Rich said:
They could have just traded Kyrie for George straight up. They passed.
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You seriously think so, when his name wasn't the one mentioned?
It was Love..and you really have to see it the way some know..Indy was not about to trade PG to the Cavs or the Celts or anyone in the EC.
 
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sailfish said:
I am actually encouraged by that article. It means that Dan Gilbert learned his lesson when LeBron 'took his talents to South Beach.' Without a long-term commitment from LeBron (even if there's a verbal one), the Cavs just cannot afford to cater to him and assume that he's going to be here beyond this season. In fact, assuming that he's leaving is absolutely the right approach.

Building for the future is also made easier by the juggernaut out west, known as the Golden State Warriors. Barring injury or trades, no one is beating that team in a seven game series for the foreseeable future.
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Not sure how it proves Gilbert has learned his lesson. If anything, it's the complete opposite. If Gilbert learned his lesson, he would be demanding an answer from LeBron on his future here. Not go in blind, and find out the day of, that LeBron is leaving again. Then Koby and Dan can move forward knowing what's next.

It would be pretty irritating if LeBron holds the whole organization hostage again, and we get nothing in return for him, again... I'm gonna go out on a limb and say we won't luck into #1 picks that have like a .02% chance of attainment. Especially when we pretty much have one asset (kyrie), and minimal picks for the next 5 years as it is. If our worst case scenario comes to fruition, then we will be walking in the Nets shoes for the next decade.
 
BrutX15 said:
Not sure how it proves Gilbert has learned his lesson. If anything, it's the complete opposite. If Gilbert learned his lesson, he would be demanding an answer from LeBron on his future here. Not go in blind, and find out the day of, that LeBron is leaving again. Then Koby and Dan can move forward knowing what's next.

It would be pretty irritating if LeBron holds the whole organization hostage again, and we get nothing in return for him, again... I'm gonna go out on a limb and say we won't luck into #1 picks that have like a .02% chance of attaining. Especially when we pretty much have one asset (kyrie), and minimal picks for the next 5 years as it is. If our worst case scenario comes to fruition, then we will be walking in the Nets shoes for the next decade.
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So they go to him, ask him what he's doing, he says "I don't know."

Now what.
 
buzzdog said:
Playing a brand of basketball that is completely dependent on one player out of five doesn't work whether that one player is Kyrie or Lebron.
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I don't know. I'd say it works pretty damned well provided that one player is Lebron James, of course. The straight finals appearances and one championship agree, too.
 
Rich said:
So they go to him, ask him what he's doing, he says "I don't know."

Now what.
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If he gives you no answer, then you blow the team up for youth/picks. Then that will prove Gilbert has learned his lesson. If LeBron leaves, the value of Kyrie, Love, etc goes into free-fall mode. Every team out there will know they are not staying for a rebuild. Melo did the right thing for the Nuggets, and George this year for the Pacers.

LeBron doesn't even have to give a definitive answer. Something as simple as "Yes, I plan on staying, IF the team continues to be constructed for championships." But nope, we have heard nothing from his camp, other than he will not waive his no-trade clause. Oh, and his subliminal messages he continues to put on social media.
 
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CBS article using WOJ article stating Porzingis is the #1 target for the Cavs... I mean you can spin that article a million different ways...there is no doubt in my mind the Cavs could get Murray and Chandler or Bledsoe with JJ of Pho moves JJ... Denver or Phoenix isn't missing out on Kyrie for either of those 2 veterans
 
Rich said:
They could have just traded Kyrie for George straight up. They passed.
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Yeah but the circumstances have totally and completely changed. ...

But at the time, Kyrie hasn't requested a trade and they also thought they had a great chance to get him.for Love.

Plus if he were opting in specifically to come here next summer it would be with the understanding of a future commitment.
 
buzzdog said:
I see this as losing basketball. At least, based on how we've played in the past few years, that's what I've seen when we try to force feed Kyrie, and play a style of offense that is out of balance and too heavily dependent on Kyrie. Hell, Kyrie got tons of touches before Lebron came back, and we were a dismal failure of a team. Even with better talent it just doesn't work.

I want to see the Cavs play winning basketball with lots of ball movement, lots of player movement, the ball jumping around and lots of players touching the ball. Running offensive sets where Kyrie is ball dominant kills all of that.
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Bro, it's totally losing basketball... :chuckle:

But, the point is, it's how you can keep this band of players together long-term, and we might only need to do it for a season until Irving becomes DPE eligible and then we scale it back...

And, FWIW, if Irving can truly grow into a James Harden-like player, then it'd have been worth it as he could finally take the reigns from LeBron as he ages out of the role of best player in the league.

I look at it as an investment that will hopefully pay off... And I don't know that there's another player in the league, that we can still get, that I'd make such an investment in.
 
BrutX15 said:
If he gives you no answer, then you blow the team up for youth/picks. Then that will prove Gilbert has learned his lesson. If LeBron leaves, the value of Kyrie, Love, etc goes into free-fall mode. Every team out there will know they are not staying for a rebuild. Melo did the right thing for the Nuggets, and George this year for the Pacers.

LeBron doesn't even have to give a definitive answer. Something as simple as "Yes, I plan on staying, IF the team continues to be constructed for championships." But nope, we have heard nothing from his camp, other than he will not waive his no-trade clause. Oh, and his subliminal messages he continues to put on social media.
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Isn't that what they just said they're doing with Irving?

Looking at young players and not win-now, expensive vets?
 
It depends on what the Cavs can get for Kyrie, if they'd have anything left over after a George trade...but I don't think the chances of George opting in to play with a 33 year old LeBron, in Cleveland, without Kyrie, are terribly high.
 
It's not like Lebron is keeping the Cavs completely in the dark. Lebron uses social media to hint who he wants, Paul George, Josh Jackson, Hassan Whiteside. Get none of these guys and he walks. Get one and it's iffy. Get two and he probably stays. It's simple really. It seems obvious Lebron is trying to make the Cavs roster appealing enough to stay. And there's eleven months to make it happen so still plenty of time.
 
sleepmaster said:
It's not like Lebron is keeping the Cavs completely in the dark. Lebron uses social media to hint who he wants, Paul George, Josh Jackson, Hassan Whiteside. Get none of these guys and he walks. Get one and it's iffy. Get two and he probably stays. It's simple really. It seems obvious Lebron is trying to make the Cavs roster appealing enough to stay. And there's eleven months to make it happen so still plenty of time.
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Lol. Just that easy!

He can leave. He's not winning another title at this point anyway no matter where he is unless he heads to Golden State for the league minimum, or to Houston for the league minimum.
 
Rich said:
It depends on what the Cavs can get for Kyrie, if they'd have anything left over after a George trade...but I don't think the chances of George opting in to play with a 33 year old LeBron, in Cleveland, without Kyrie, are terribly high.
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It's easy to know what they have to do, and hard to execute it. If the Cavs get Josh Jackson first, I can see George sticking around to play with an older Lebron.

https://clutchpoints.com/thunder-rumors-odds-for-paul-george-re-signing-not-great/

The Thunder will potentially have a full season to persuade George to re-sign along with Westbrook. However, general manager Sam Presti has not been shy to trade away great players ahead of free agency if he believes they ultimately will not be able to re-sign them. If it does not work out, the Thunder were successfully able to get out of Victor Oladipo’s four-year, $84 million contract extension.
 
Rich said:
Isn't that what they just said they're doing with Irving?

Looking at young players and not win-now, expensive vets?
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No, I do not believe that. You really think they are just going to throw this year away, when they are still the favorites in the East, even without Kyrie? If they can get a win now vet, they will. Simply due to the fact that LeBron is an unknown. A deal with the Spurs would have been done already imo, if only the Spurs had any youthful assets at all. Murray ain't cutting it.
 
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