2017-2018 Boston Celtics: No Irving! No Hayward! No Brooklyn Pick!

[Balto]

Regardless if its real or not it still seems like some of you think it is and are calling Lebron the bad guy for not commenting long term.

Why should he? Why would he not wait and see how the season goes? If the report is true....I give Lebron lots of credit for at least not lying and telling Cavs he would stay long term when he hasn't decided. Lebron could of really F'ed over the Cavs

This honestly should go on the owner and front office. You have the 2nd best team in the NBA, FACT! You make this trade and it gives you a better chance to beat the Warriors this season! FACT. So I look at it as they should of done the trade regardless because if it would of been enough to get another championship it would also of meant a better chance at Lebron staying long term. Now without the trade to make the team better you pretty much made Lebrons mind up for him.

 

[Green Lantern]

Speaking of which here is a Twitter interaction today with KD... Disclaimer I am not a Trump supporter at all...didn't vote and didn't like either candidate ...this was just to let KD know I thought he was a bitch

View: https://twitter.com/wremy/status/898586267935531008

View: https://twitter.com/KDTrey5/status/898586611209732097



View: https://twitter.com/wremy/status/898588135860383744

You should've told him LeBron doesn't want you dead(no more rings)...he wants you alive..you complete him...lol..then you should the Joker's face at him.

 

[shoes22]

Huh. Well guess a legit writer has spoken about it now...

“The final straw as to why [Kyrie] wants out of Cleveland… I’m told that the Cavaliers had a deal done heading into the draft.” […]

“Cleveland would send Kyrie to Phoenix, which does want Kyrie. (Suns owner) Robert Sarver wants Kyrie Irving. […] Phoenix would send Eric Bledsoe and the No. 4 pick back to the Cavaliers.

“The Cavaliers would send the No. 4 pick to Indiana for Paul George. So you’re getting Eric Bledsoe and Paul George for Kyrie Irving. Now, that was going to happen.

“Dan Gilbert goes to LeBron and goes, ‘Look, we’ve got this deal on the table. I’ll do it if you commit long-term to stay in Cleveland.’” […]

“But [LeBron] would not commit, so Dan Gilbert would not do the deal.

Read more at http://www.slamonline.com/nba/kyrie...n-james-wanted-trade-him/#oCyXMdr57okiKliu.99

But hey I'm sure you're The Arbiter we need of #FakeNews

You know an unsubstiantiated rumor when you see one, only now it's been substantiated. But hey maybe Chris Broussard isn't LEGIT enough for you.

whatever.

Just think people can form opinions on their own w/o you telling them who to trust or not.

Still alive on this hill, view is great, how you living?

It just...doesn’t make sense. Why is that trade dependent on LeBron committing? LeBron will stay wherever he has the best chance to win. So if making that trade gives us a better chance to win than anywhere else he could go, then you make the deal. No commitment necessary.

 

[Balto]

It just...doesn’t make sense. Why is that trade dependent on LeBron committing? LeBron will stay wherever he has the best chance to win. So if making that trade gives us a better chance to win than anywhere else he could go, then you make the deal. No commitment necessary.

Thank you! Exactly

 

[Chris Parker]

It just...doesn’t make sense. Why is that trade dependent on LeBron committing? LeBron will stay wherever he has the best chance to win. So if making that trade gives us a better chance to win than anywhere else he could go, then you make the deal. No commitment necessary.

Well the obvious answer would be having two guys on one year contracts who have both been linked to the Lakers may have felt like a shitty risk to Gilbert. If that makes the Cavs so good, why is it hard for LeBron to commit. It seems like that argument could go both ways. IDK, don't care. He'll do whatever he does, but glad Cavs have decided not to let their future team building be based on hope LBJ returns.

Apparently Kyrie thought enough about the rumor to be swayed by whomever he heard it from, assuming that what Broussard says is true, which is a disclaimer that should be implicit in EVERY rumor out there. But hey there are signs next to hot tubs not to dive, so...

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Huh. Well guess a legit writer has spoken about it now...

“The final straw as to why [Kyrie] wants out of Cleveland… I’m told that the Cavaliers had a deal done heading into the draft.” […]

“Cleveland would send Kyrie to Phoenix, which does want Kyrie. (Suns owner) Robert Sarver wants Kyrie Irving. […] Phoenix would send Eric Bledsoe and the No. 4 pick back to the Cavaliers.

“The Cavaliers would send the No. 4 pick to Indiana for Paul George. So you’re getting Eric Bledsoe and Paul George for Kyrie Irving. Now, that was going to happen.

“Dan Gilbert goes to LeBron and goes, ‘Look, we’ve got this deal on the table. I’ll do it if you commit long-term to stay in Cleveland.’” […]

“But [LeBron] would not commit, so Dan Gilbert would not do the deal.

Read more at http://www.slamonline.com/nba/kyrie...n-james-wanted-trade-him/#oCyXMdr57okiKliu.99

But hey I'm sure you're The Arbiter we need of #FakeNews

You know an unsubstiantiated rumor when you see one, only now it's been substantiated. But hey maybe Chris Broussard isn't LEGIT enough for you.

whatever.

Just think people can form opinions on their own w/o you telling them who to trust or not.

Still alive on this hill, view is great, how you living?

Are you serious right now?

Chris Broussard. Mr. "sauces said" himself...

He literally lost his job writing for ESPN, can't get another one anywhere legit(FS1 podcast doesn't count) , and is now a "motivational speaker" for money.

Enjoy that hill. Chris Broussard has been irrelevant for years now.

A quick search of his recent work includes "Broussard explains why LBJ isn't recruiting free agents"

Yet we know for a fact LeBron has recruited multiple guys.


His credibility is shot. And has been for a long time.

 

[Gus Zing]

Thank you! Exactly

It just...doesn’t make sense. Why is that trade dependent on LeBron committing? LeBron will stay wherever he has the best chance to win. So if making that trade gives us a better chance to win than anywhere else he could go, then you make the deal. No commitment necessary.

Also LeBron not committing was probably because at the time Paul George seemed set on being in LA next year. So no Kyrie and a possible no Paul George..... yea LeBron wasn't going to commit anything. He'd just hope they win a championship and hope that he can convince George to stay.


The more I think about it that would have been a very good trade. Basically would have added two guys capable of playing good defense and scoring 20+.

Oh well. Part of me is just hoping Kyrie just has a change of heart now.

 

[Simon]

Are you serious right now?

Chris Broussard. Mr. "sauces said" himself...

He literally lost his job writing for ESPN, can't get another one anywhere legit(FS1 podcast doesn't count) , and is now a "motivational speaker" for money.

Enjoy that hill. Chris Broussard has been irrelevant for years now.

A quick search of his recent work includes "Broussard explains why LBJ isn't recruiting free agents"

Yet we know for a fact LeBron has recruited multiple guys.


His credibility is shot. And has been for a long time.

He also think the guy from the Cleveland Scene had a legit source too lol. Pretty sure that trade from the Cleveland Scene guy has been shot down multiple times, even by national people.

 

[sleepmaster]

Also LeBron not committing was probably because at the time Paul George seemed set on being in LA next year. So no Kyrie and a possible no Paul George..... yea LeBron wasn't going to commit anything. He'd just hope they win a championship and hope that he can convince George to stay.


The more I think about it that would have been a very good trade. Basically would have added two guys capable of playing good defense and scoring 20+.

Oh well. Part of me is just hoping Kyrie just has a change of heart now.

Lebron not committing and George leaving for LA was not an issue for the George-Love trade like it was for the Kyrie-George-Bledsoe trade. That indicated George was not as deadset on LA as was portrayed.

Lebron and George are a team. I'd love to find a bookie that takes bets on them ending up together without knowing what team that will be.

If it's an older Lebron plus Bledsoe and Love, two injury-prone late 20-somethings, LA becomes more appealing for George, especially if he can bring Lebron with him.

If there's instead some other young stud on the Cavs roster like a Kyrie or a quickly-improving Josh Jackson, they will be more likely to favor the Cavs.

I was glad the Kyrie for Bledsoe+George trade didn't go through due to the risk of Lebron and George leaving the Cavs high and dry.

Of course after the failed Love for George trade and then Kyrie wanting out, the situation changed. In hindsight though I still think the risk of Lebron and George ditching Love and Bledsoe for LA was too great(unless Bledsoe can get his own offense against Golden State with Klay Thompson on him.)

 

[Benedict_Boozer]

The more I think about it that would have been a very good trade. Basically would have added two guys capable of playing good defense and scoring 20+.

Yup. That team would have been absurd on both sides of the ball.

I would have pulled the trigger.

 

[shoes22]

I’d love to see BOTH LeBron and Paul George leaving to go to the same team and not have that look terrible. *That* is something that has never been done before. We would not be the bad guys in that situation.

Talk about building up a legacy and goodwill just to ruin it again.

 

[Rich]

It just...doesn’t make sense. Why is that trade dependent on LeBron committing? LeBron will stay wherever he has the best chance to win. So if making that trade gives us a better chance to win than anywhere else he could go, then you make the deal. No commitment necessary.

I guess if the Cavs front office believes Kyrie is, indeed, going to be an MVP player and didn't want to move him for George who was telling everyone Lakers or bust. We have plenty of fans who feel that way.

 

[sleepmaster]

How Paul George seemingly preferred to play with Kyrie in addition to Lebron was similar to Melo who took the Cavs off his list after Kyrie wanted out.

That's another thing that makes me think Gilbert made the right call to not go through with it.

 

[billmac91]

It just...doesn’t make sense. Why is that trade dependent on LeBron committing? LeBron will stay wherever he has the best chance to win. So if making that trade gives us a better chance to win than anywhere else he could go, then you make the deal. No commitment necessary.

I posted after game 2 of Finals to be on the lookout of Paul George to CLE rumors. That was from within Cavs organization....

The deal didn't get done...

I was told only that Dan wasn't willing to trade long-term contracts for short term deals because of fear of losing says assets for guys who immediately bail.

I think Broussard's story makes perfect sense. It lines up exactly with what I had been told....

I don't fault LeBron a single bit, but when he wouldn't commit long-term to franchise, Gilbert has to go into "protection mode". The best way to protect franchise is to keep long-term assets and avoid short-term "risk".

 

[Rich]

I posted after game 2 of Finals to be on the lookout of Paul George to CLE rumors. That was from within Cavs organization....

The deal didn't get done...

I was told only that Dan wasn't willing to trade long-term contracts for short term deals because of fear of losing says assets for guys who immediately bail.

I think Broussard's story makes perfect sense. It lines up exactly with what I had been told....

I don't fault LeBron a single bit, but when he wouldn't commit long-term to franchise, Gilbert has to go into "protection mode". The best way to protect franchise is to keep long-term assets and avoid short-term "risk".

Except it doesn't make sense now considering the Suns are not willing to do that very deal.

That's what you can't get around. If they offered Bledsoe and 4 then why aren't they offering it now?