2017 Browns Mock Draft Thread

[Kbiz]

I had a dream last night where we drafted Garret at #1, Trubisky at #15?, and then somehow managed to trade a pick to Washington to get Terrelle Pryor back.

 

[NtG]

I had a dream last night where we drafted Garret at #1, Trubisky at #15?, and then somehow managed to trade a pick to Washington to get Terrelle Pryor back.

My aunt is an expert in dream analysis; she says it means you're gay.

 

[chumpclassic]

Rotoworld did a write up on the Browns Draft needs. At the end of it they had a Mock for all of the browns picks with analysis.

Norris’ Mock Draft


Round 1 (1): EDGE Myles Garrett, Texas A&M - Locked in.



Round 1 (12): QB Deshaun Watson, Clemson - I’d be shocked if the Browns don’t exit the draft with a quarterback in the top two rounds. Maybe they are the ones driving the Davis Webb train? Maybe they trade up from this 12th spot? Watson has a much larger sample size than Mitchell Trubisky, a major part of analytics. It will be interesting to see if Hue Jackson makes the pick, the front office makes the pick, or a combination of the two. Cody Kessler’s selection surely seems to be analytics-driven, since he doesn’t fit Hue’s height threshold.



Round 2 (33): CB Sidney Jones, Washington - Jones had a chance of being the second corner off the board before his Achilles injury. Thanks to their abundance of picks, the Browns can plan for the future with this selection. Value, in terms of talent.



Round 2 (52): FS Eddie Jackson, Alabama - Jackson is a long-term starter who shined when moving to free safety. Malik Hooker will go off the board quickly, but Jackson might claim the second tier by himself. He will be cleared for offseason activities after healing from a broken leg that ended his season last fall.



Round 3 (65): DL Carlos Watkins, Clemson - College production was a major piece of the Browns’ 2016 draft. Watkins produced 10.5 sacks last season, a difficult feat for an interior defensive lineman.



Round 4 (108): TE Michael Roberts, Toledo - More collegiate production. Roberts scored 16 touchdowns last season. The staff ran a ton of 12 personnel in Mobile at the Senior Bowl, a possible hint at future plans.



Round 5 (145): T Aviante Collins, TCU - Along with athleticism, the Browns took shots on top athletes last year. Collins is one of those. He did not complete a full workout at the Combine, but when he does, expect high scores. He can compete on the right side.



Round 5 (175): WR Kenny Golladay, NIU - A combination of production and athleticism.



Round 5 (181): DB Lorenzo Jerome, St. Francis - A really fun small school player, who lined up at corner, safety and linebacker. Big hitter.



Round 6 (185): EDGE Ejuan Price, Pitt - Undersized, so he might not hit the thresholds the Browns look for, but ultra-productive and flexible. You can make those exceptions in the later rounds.



Round 6 (188): RB Joe Williams, Utah - Williams left his team before the season, then returned and rushed for 1,400 yards. He’s one of the fastest running backs in the class.


Full Article - http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/70882/71/nfl-draft-needs-browns

 

[AZ_]

I'll do one just for the sake of not having everyone and their mother give the Browns a QB at 12:


Rd 1 1 - Myles Garrett - EDGE - Texas A&M

Duh.

Rd 1 12 - Malik McDowell - DL - Michigan State

Elite athleticism in a length body designed to wreak havoc in a number of set-ups. Put on his tape against Notre Dame and you'll see the player he can become in the NFL. Destroys the run game, keeps his hips centered and closes holes.

Rd 2 33 - Marcus Williams - S - Utah

Just as a change of pace to Melifonwu, the Browns would do well to get a more experience version of Malik Hooker, who lacks a tick less range but makes up for it with intelligence and elite athleticism.

Rd 2 52 - Adam Shaheen - TE - Ashland - Something of a local product, the Browns can take him and give him a year of development behind Barnidge (who would make a great Big Brother). If they can get Shaheen to be a capable blocker, he and DeValve would be a great set of spacing TEs for the future.

Rd 3 65 - Joshua Dobbs - QB - Tennessee

Yeah, I'm pulling the trigger here. I just don't see what separates him from some of the guys being talked about earlier in the draft, especially Watson. He's a super-intelligent kid and will fit in well with that QB room.

Rd 4 108 - Howard Wilson - CB - Houston

Developed more under Todd Orlando on defense this year and looks like a guy who is flying well too far under the radar. He's got great size and knows how to play within a defense. Really popped on film during the Houston games I saw this season.

Rd 5 145 - Jamaal Williams - RB - BYU

There could be some excellent value later on in the draft at this position, since I couldn't get it earlier, I'm getting it now and hoping to develop for a year before Crowell departs.

Rd 5 175 - Nathan Gerry - S - Nebraska

One of those guys who always seems to be around the ball, could play closer to the LOS in Gregg Williams' defense and act as the Mark Barron role.

Rd 5 181 - Ryan Switzer - WR - North Carolina

Browns got a great look at him, given how closely they've studied Trubisky. They know he can make plays all over the field and in the return game, something they've sorely lacked.

Rd 6 185 - Steven Taylor - LB - Houston

The second Houston product on my board, this is another guy who really made plays every time you turn on the Cougars tape. Undersized, more of a Jaime Collins-type backer who makes his initial impact on special teams.

Rd 6 188 - Storm Nelson - OT - Toledo

Hope you can slip him through waivers and onto the Practice Squad, but he's got good enough size and bend to eventually play at this level.

 

[Triplethreat]

I'll be infuriated if we pick Dobbs.

He looks so fundamentally bad to me.

 

[Phills14]

I'll be infuriated if we pick Dobbs.

He looks so fundamentally bad to me.

Yet you like Mahomes don't you?

 

[Ohio]

Yet you like Mahomes don't you?

Got 'em!

 

[sportscoach]

I'll be infuriated if we pick Dobbs.

He looks so fundamentally bad to me.

I don't mind getting Dobbs, he is probably one of the smartest guys in general in this draft and is a very good athlete. All the guys in this draft are projects so I'd rather get a project guy day three, the media won't be over him to start. Now he does have a smaller hand size, so who knows how well that factors into things.

 

[getBUCKED]

I'll do one just for the sake of not having everyone and their mother give the Browns a QB at 12:


Rd 1 1 - Myles Garrett - EDGE - Texas A&M

Duh.

Rd 1 12 - Malik McDowell - DL - Michigan State

Elite athleticism in a length body designed to wreak havoc in a number of set-ups. Put on his tape against Notre Dame and you'll see the player he can become in the NFL. Destroys the run game, keeps his hips centered and closes holes.

Rd 2 33 - Marcus Williams - S - Utah

Just as a change of pace to Melifonwu, the Browns would do well to get a more experience version of Malik Hooker, who lacks a tick less range but makes up for it with intelligence and elite athleticism.

Rd 2 52 - Adam Shaheen - TE - Ashland - Something of a local product, the Browns can take him and give him a year of development behind Barnidge (who would make a great Big Brother). If they can get Shaheen to be a capable blocker, he and DeValve would be a great set of spacing TEs for the future.

Rd 3 65 - Joshua Dobbs - QB - Tennessee

Yeah, I'm pulling the trigger here. I just don't see what separates him from some of the guys being talked about earlier in the draft, especially Watson. He's a super-intelligent kid and will fit in well with that QB room.

Rd 4 108 - Howard Wilson - CB - Houston

Developed more under Todd Orlando on defense this year and looks like a guy who is flying well too far under the radar. He's got great size and knows how to play within a defense. Really popped on film during the Houston games I saw this season.

Rd 5 145 - Jamaal Williams - RB - BYU

There could be some excellent value later on in the draft at this position, since I couldn't get it earlier, I'm getting it now and hoping to develop for a year before Crowell departs.

Rd 5 175 - Nathan Gerry - S - Nebraska

One of those guys who always seems to be around the ball, could play closer to the LOS in Gregg Williams' defense and act as the Mark Barron role.

Rd 5 181 - Ryan Switzer - WR - North Carolina

Browns got a great look at him, given how closely they've studied Trubisky. They know he can make plays all over the field and in the return game, something they've sorely lacked.

Rd 6 185 - Steven Taylor - LB - Houston

The second Houston product on my board, this is another guy who really made plays every time you turn on the Cougars tape. Undersized, more of a Jaime Collins-type backer who makes his initial impact on special teams.

Rd 6 188 - Storm Nelson - OT - Toledo

Hope you can slip him through waivers and onto the Practice Squad, but he's got good enough size and bend to eventually play at this level.

Malik McDowell doesn't make sense to me at #12. Seems like an unnecessary risk given his character concerns and the talent that will be there at #12. Not to mention we just addressed DL at #1 with Mr. Garrett.

The rest of the mock looks nice, you certainly know the deeper players better than I do. I haven't heard of anybody after round 5 - Jamaal Williams.

 

[Triplethreat]

Yet you like Mahomes don't you?

The arm talent wins out.

Also, Dobbs is bad in so many more ways. He dips out of the pocket and uses his legs way too much. Mahomes doesn't have the luxury so he had to stay in the pocket.

 

[Lee]

I don't mind getting Dobbs, he is probably one of the smartest guys in general in this draft and is a very good athlete. All the guys in this draft are projects so I'd rather get a project guy day three, the media won't be over him to start. Now he does have a smaller hand size, so who knows how well that factors into things.

My Boss is a huge UTenn guy, graduated from there, also he is a huge sports nut. He hates Dobbs, watched him all 4 years at Tenn.

Not that he is a pro talent evaluate but i have asked his opinion since we are qb hungry.

PS, i am a Purdue alumni and knew Brees personally and didnt think he would be a good QB, so us alumni are not always right.

 

[AZ_]

The arm talent wins out.

Also, Dobbs is bad in so many more ways. He dips out of the pocket and uses his legs way too much. Mahomes doesn't have the luxury so he had to stay in the pocket.

Man, I'm not sure who this is a worse evaluation of.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Mahomes, fundamentally, is solid most of the time. It looks funky as hell, but hes really got a good sense of fundamentals. Mahomes consistently is throwing from a good base. Now he needs to stop backpeddling away from pressure, but other than that? I really like his fundamentals.I dont see a ton of flaws the others do. He throws the ball with power and accuracy, why try and change him?

 

[Triplethreat]

Man, I'm not sure who this is a worse evaluation of.

Interesting. Elaborate?

 

[Phills14]

Mahomes, fundamentally, is solid most of the time. It looks funky as hell, but hes really got a good sense of fundamentals. Mahomes consistently is throwing from a good base. Now he needs to stop backpeddling away from pressure, but other than that? I really like his fundamentals.I dont see a ton of flaws the others do. He throws the ball with power and accuracy, why try and change him?

I don't think I could disagree with this any more. I think his fundamentals are crap. He's an athletic kid with an A+ arm, and he knows it. He plays outside of structure because he wants to make the big time, flashy play. Taking the designed play or the play the defense gives him is clearly the 2nd option in his mind. In that way, he has a lot of Johnny Manziel like qualities. I think he is going to struggle at the next level because coaches will get very frustrated with him playing outside of their system. Unlike Manziel, he has the physical attributes to do some of those unstructured things at the NFL level but he's going to create a lot of unnecessary negative plays because he thinks he can do something great on every play.

My problem isn't with Mahomes' talent. He has what you look for physically in a QB. He is going to take his lumps like all young QBs do in the league. I am just not sold on him mentally changing who he is to fit the NFL game. Guys that play that "backyard" "draw plays in the dirt" type of game are guys that are looking to impress people and show just how great they are to others instead of doing what is best for the team. Keep in mind his Dad, who also has his name, was a major league pitcher for 12 years. There is probably something in his head that he has to outshine his Dad or impress his Dad somehow.

I think he can learn the systems and learn from coaches, I'm just not sold he can transfer what he learns and override his natural instincts to do the opposite once he gets on the field. Very similar football concerns I had with Manziel.

This is my opinion but much of what I'm saying is also the opinion of some professional scouts.

Dane Brugler
WEAKNESSES: Messy mechanics, footwork and body motion and his technique needs rebuilt from the ground up…drifts in the pocket and throws with an unbalanced base…narrow, irregular steps in his drops…holds the ball too long in the pocket with undeveloped pocket awareness, not feeling pressure round him…indecisive reads and doesn’t always trust his eyes or anticipation…careless with the football and makes too many throws that should never leave his hand…responsible for six fumbles in 2016…quick-footed athlete, but not a dynamic rush threat…teams want to see a more button-up, business-like approach…baseball was his first love – drafted in the 37th round of the 2014 MLB Draft by the Detroit Tigers and considered signing…tends to brace for contact as a runner instead of finishing forward…lacks ideal body armor and battled through several injuries the past two seasons – sprained the MCL in his left knee (Sept. 2015) that required a brace; multiple shoulder injuries, including an AC joint sprain in his throwing shoulder (Sept. 2016); injured the scaphoid bone in his left wrist and required surgery (Dec. 2016).

NFL.com write up
WEAKNESSES
Can be inconsistent in his approach. Needs to play inside the offense and show more discipline. Too eager to go big game hunting. Ravenous appetite for the explosive play can also bring unwanted trouble. Willingness to default to playground style appears to limit his ability to get into a consistent rhythm. Needs to improve anticipatory reads and learn to take what the defense gives him. Decision making can go from good to bad in a moment's notice. Operates from a narrow base and allows his upper body and arm to race ahead of his feet. Has a dip and wind-up in his standard release. Explosive delivery and follow-through causes some throws to sail. Needs better touch on intermediate and deep balls. Carries ball a little low in the pocket. Impatient. Will leave pocket prematurely rather than standing in and winning in rhythm. Better as a scrambler than pure runner. Looked a little less mobile in the open field this season.
SOURCES TELL US
"He's got a great arm, big balls and he's mobile. He is going to drive his head coach crazy for the first couple of years and there is no getting around that. If it clicks for him and he's coachable, I think he could become a special quarterback." - NFC executive
NFL COMPARISON
Jay Cutler
BOTTOM LINE
Mahomes is a big, confident quarterback who brings a variety of physical tools to the party, but he's developed some bad habits and doesn't have a very repeatable process as a passer. Mahomes' ability to improvise and extend plays can lead to big plays for his offense, but he will have to prove he can operate with better anticipation and be willing to take what the defense gives him in order to win from the pocket. Mahomes will be a work in progress, but he's a high ceiling, low floor prospect.

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