2017 Draft Prospects Thread

[natedagg]

Not sure if he's been mentioned in here yet, and I haven't really hit on too many pass rushers because of my obsession with Myles Garrett, but Tak McKinley is going to be a Top 15 pick as well.

He's dirty:

This guy looks filthy. Want.

 

[AZ_]

Obi Melifonwu from UConn is a guy who checks off alot of boxes for me when thinking about what you want in a safety.

Big, fluid athlete who shows really good tackling mechanics and angles. Don't get to see him with his back to the ball much at all, but shows an OK hip turn and run in the passing game.

6'3, 220 pounds and is going to rip up a combine similar to Byron Jones a few seasons ago.

 

[ajz20]

Obi Melifonwu from UConn is a guy who checks off alot of boxes for me when thinking about what you want in a safety.

Big, fluid athlete who shows really good tackling mechanics and angles. Don't get to see him with his back to the ball much at all, but shows an OK hip turn and run in the passing game.

6'3, 220 pounds and is going to rip up a combine similar to Byron Jones a few seasons ago.

I really worry we don't have enough guys watching tape that have football experience to find guys in rounds 3 through 6. Not convinced Andrew Barry and shashi know what they are doing. I honestly truly think you would be better at creating a draft board then Shahi Briwn.

 

[MirORich]

I really worry we don't have enough guys watching tape that have football experience to find guys in rounds 3 through 6. Not convinced Andrew Barry and shashi know what they are doing. I honestly truly think you would be better at creating a draft board then Shahi Briwn.

You don't think Andrew Berry(who played football and has been groomed in personnel and scouting), the head scouts(Chisum Opara and Bobby Vega), and the coaching staff(after the season is over) is watching enough film?

Based on what? The fact that Sashi was a lawyer 10 years ago?

Not trying to be combative, but what basis do you have to make that claim?

 

[AZ_]

I really worry we don't have enough guys watching tape that have football experience to find guys in rounds 3 through 6. Not convinced Andrew Barry and shashi know what they are doing. I honestly truly think you would be better at creating a draft board then Shahi Briwn.

Idk man, appreciate the kind words. But I absolutely respect the Browns commitment to overhauling the scouting process under the new regime.

I'm hopeful they can get some good talent in the middle/later rounds.

I liked some of the guys they got later on this year, Corey Lemonier specifically.

That said, my record on middle/later round guys is pretty good over the years.


Still wish they drafted Mitch Morse two years ago.

 

[Pick6]

I really worry we don't have enough guys watching tape that have football experience to find guys in rounds 3 through 6. Not convinced Andrew Barry and shashi know what they are doing. I honestly truly think you would be better at creating a draft board then Shahi Briwn.

Whatever happened to the podcast this year?

 

[ajz20]

Whatever happened to the podcast this year?

My co host was not available, and no one else wanted to invest time in the Browns. May try again right before the draft.

 

[ajz20]

You don't think Andrew Berry(who played football and has been groomed in personnel and scouting), the head scouts(Chisum Opara and Bobby Vega), and the coaching staff(after the season is over) is watching enough film?

Based on what? The fact that Sashi was a lawyer 10 years ago?

Not trying to be combative, but what basis do you have to make that claim?

My concern is who is actually making the picks? Seems like Hue got to spend a third rounder on Kessler and then they were using SPARQ scores to try to identify players. The draft last year is an incomplete. Like others have stated we pased on several quality players over many rounds. After Coleman and ogbah I am pretty lukewarm about the rest. Still to early to make a final grade but seems like we drafted a few backups and some guys who are end of the roster type players. When you are building exclusively from the draft you can't waste picks like Kessler and shone Coleman. Guys like Ricardo Louis are also head scratchers when he was considered a major project. If Shashi is making the call and giving Hue a chance to pick guys here and there that to me is not a blueprint for a quality draft. I hope we knock it out of the park in April, but I do worry that Shashi and Hue are making the ultimate decisions on draft weekend.

 

[CBBI]

My concern is who is actually making the picks? Seems like Hue got to spend a third rounder on Kessler and then they were using SPARQ scores to try to identify players.

Where is the evidence of that? Idle speculation from Rotoworld? Coleman, Ogbah, Devalve and Louis fit the SPARQ darling profile in terms of drafted players, as does waiver pick up Tyrone Holmes.

But Kessler was 38th QB in SPARQ, Jordan Payton was the 71st WR, Rashad Higgins was the 172nd WR, Drango was the 101st OL, Joe Schobert was the 54th LB, Carl Nassib was the 42nd EDGE, Caldwell was the 54th CB, Kindred was the 23rd S, Wright III was the 123 LB. Boddy-Calhoun was also not highly regarded by SPARQ.

So basically 4 of 14 draft picks hit were picked off the SPARQ list?

The draft last year is an incomplete. Like others have stated we pased on several quality players over many rounds.

You can literally take any team in the NFL, swap out their 2-3 worst draft picks for guys they could have taken and dramatically increase the quality of their draft class. That's the nature of the beast when the actual percentage of good players to come out of a draft is so low compared to how many people get picked.

Coleman and ogbah I am pretty lukewarm about the rest. Still to early to make a final grade but seems like we drafted a few backups and some guys who are end of the roster type players.

That sounds like a pretty standard draft if you ask me. If the Browns find 8 contributors out of 14 picks, that would be a good haul given the percentages.

When you are building exclusively from the draft you can't waste picks like Kessler and shone Coleman. Guys like Ricardo Louis are also head scratchers when he was considered a major project.

I'll give you Kessler. That was the one pick I was really not pleased with at the time. Drafting a guy in the top 100 picks that is most likely going to end up being a backup long-term is not a good use of assets. Beyond that, every pick was either right in line with where it was supposed to be or late enough in the process where it's fine to roll the dice on a guy you like.

Generally speaking, I don't think you understand how many picks actually bust. The reason the Browns are stockpiling so many picks is not because they expect to hit on every one, that's unrealistic. But if you think of draft picks essentially like lotto tickets, then it makes sense (especially when you have the roster means to do so, aka you don't mind losing games while you evaluate rookies) to have as many tickets as possible to increase your odds of finding a winning ticket.

 

[AZ_]

 

[natedagg]

Where is the evidence of that? Idle speculation from Rotoworld? Coleman, Ogbah, Devalve and Louis fit the SPARQ darling profile in terms of drafted players, as does waiver pick up Tyrone Holmes.

But Kessler was 38th QB in SPARQ, Jordan Payton was the 71st WR, Rashad Higgins was the 172nd WR, Drango was the 101st OL, Joe Schobert was the 54th LB, Carl Nassib was the 42nd EDGE, Caldwell was the 54th CB, Kindred was the 23rd S, Wright III was the 123 LB. Boddy-Calhoun was also not highly regarded by SPARQ.

So basically 4 of 14 draft picks hit were picked off the SPARQ list?



You can literally take any team in the NFL, swap out their 2-3 worst draft picks for guys they could have taken and dramatically increase the quality of their draft class. That's the nature of the beast when the actual percentage of good players to come out of a draft is so low compared to how many people get picked.



That sounds like a pretty standard draft if you ask me. If the Browns find 8 contributors out of 14 picks, that would be a good haul given the percentages.



I'll give you Kessler. That was the one pick I was really not pleased with at the time. Drafting a guy in the top 100 picks that is most likely going to end up being a backup long-term is not a good use of assets. Beyond that, every pick was either right in line with where it was supposed to be or late enough in the process where it's fine to roll the dice on a guy you like.

Generally speaking, I don't think you understand how many picks actually bust. The reason the Browns are stockpiling so many picks is not because they expect to hit on every one, that's unrealistic. But if you think of draft picks essentially like lotto tickets, then it makes sense (especially when you have the roster means to do so, aka you don't mind losing games while you evaluate rookies) to have as many tickets as possible to increase your odds of finding a winning ticket.

As far as the non-Kessler stuff, you nailed it. Acquire darts, aim at general direction of the dart board, throw...

It's not just you, but what's the beef with Kessler? That a rookie is missing throws? That he isn't Dak? With a shitty team, horrible defense (making our play calling on offense more predictable), patchwork OL, #1 WR never saw the field, #1 draft pick hurt for a bit, best WR was a QB, RB's get a pass because the rest of the team is awful, this kid comes in and has a 92 rating, 66% completion percentage, 6/2 TD/INT.

His biggest problem is that he was drafted in the 3rd. If it was the 2nd or the 1st, people would have more patience in the "investment". If it were the 4th on, it would be seen as a bonus to do as well as he has. Instead, he's been written off.

I am sure that he's missed throws, I am sure the ball doesn't get there quick enough, and I am sure he's a rookie. I am also sure that I don't watch the games, so if he can't stretch the field and it's costing us, then all of my analysis goes out the window.

 

[NorthCoastBias]

View: https://twitter.com/DKizer_14/status/808372932791726082

 

[Chris]

I want Kizer, but not with a top ten pick. Sadly I think he is unattainable by us without drastically overdrafting. I think he'd be a good guy to try to develop.

 

[CBBI]

As far as the non-Kessler stuff, you nailed it. Acquire darts, aim at general direction of the dart board, throw...

It's not just you, but what's the beef with Kessler? That a rookie is missing throws? That he isn't Dak? With a shitty team, horrible defense (making our play calling on offense more predictable), patchwork OL, #1 WR never saw the field, #1 draft pick hurt for a bit, best WR was a QB, RB's get a pass because the rest of the team is awful, this kid comes in and has a 92 rating, 66% completion percentage, 6/2 TD/INT.

His biggest problem is that he was drafted in the 3rd. If it was the 2nd or the 1st, people would have more patience in the "investment". If it were the 4th on, it would be seen as a bonus to do as well as he has. Instead, he's been written off.

I am sure that he's missed throws, I am sure the ball doesn't get there quick enough, and I am sure he's a rookie. I am also sure that I don't watch the games, so if he can't stretch the field and it's costing us, then all of my analysis goes out the window.

The beef with Kessler isn't so much with how he's done. It's the fact the Browns used a top 100 pick on a player that doesn't seem to have the ability to be a long-term starter.

It's not dissimilar to the Rams using a 3rd on Sean Mannion and then turning around and picking Goff the next year.

You won't find many people who are comfortable with Kessler as the long-term answer at the position. If they address that spot with a higher pick in 2017, then where does that leave Kessler? A backup.

Ideally you'd want more out of a top 100 pick than long-term backup.

 

[I'mWithDan]

I want Kizer, but not with a top ten pick. Sadly I think he is unattainable by us without drastically overdrafting. I think he'd be a good guy to try to develop.

Assuming Garrett goes #1, the Browns are in a position to overdraft thanks to the Eagles absolutely sucking down the stretch.

This is all dependent on how much we like any of these QB's but Garrett + one of the top 2-3 QB's would be something I'm sure anyone would have taken 6 months ago.

I've kinda gone lukewarm on all these signal callers but I'd understand the strategy there. Hue is an offensive guy and he deserves someone with talent at that position to try to build around.

My stance softens significantly if Garrett has already been selected. I don't want them wasting picks but I would get it, given the amount of remaining draft captial.