2018 Cleveland Browns Off Season Thread

[sportscoach]

Duke will get 400-500 snaps during the season since he will once in awhile play as a slot reciever/4th receiver and will get a fair amount of the 3rd down snaps this season. Hyde will be one on the depth chart at the moment, the Duke then Chubb. Now that being said, it will be like 70-30 for the 1st and 2nd down snaps probably all season between Hyde and Chubb in year one. It may change throughout the season, but that would be my guess on the carries.

 

[CBBI]

I guess, I don't look at it as a Hyde/Chubb/Duke rotation beyond this season.

Hyde, a very good back, has a lengthy injury history. Chubb has been solid from a health perspective the past two years but has a massive injury he's just now fully recovered from. Duke has an entirely different skill-set.

I think the plan is for 2019 and beyond to be Chubb/Duke long term. Unless he sticks around as depth (and since we have so much cap room), I anticipate Hyde not being with this team beyond this season.

I understand Duke Johnson may or may not like his piece of the pie. I just think being a decent part of a very good offense is more worthwhile than being a bigger part of a very poor offense. I anticipate more snaps for this offense this year as we sustain drives and achieve success on that side of the ball.

Couple things...

1. Snap counts don't really fluctuate all THAT much from team to team. The Patriots had the No. 2 offense in the league and ran 1140 offensive plays, only about 80 more than the Browns. Comes out to like 5 plays a game.

2. I don't disagree with you at all on the point about the three man rotation being a short term thing. Hyde's not likely to stick around past this season. But NFL careers are fleeting. If Duke's touches drop by 30-40% from a year ago, his numbers inevitably are going to drop accordingly and it could cost him money in free agency. Considering this might be his only chance to really get paid, I'm sure he wants to put up the very best stats he can to maximize his dollars on his next contract.

 

[CBBI]

Duke will get 400-500 snaps during the season since he will once in awhile play as a slot reciever/4th receiver and will get a fair amount of the 3rd down snaps this season. Hyde will be one on the depth chart at the moment, the Duke then Chubb. Now that being said, it will be like 70-30 for the 1st and 2nd down snaps probably all season between Hyde and Chubb in year one. It may change throughout the season, but that would be my guess on the carries.

With the addition of Landry, I don't see many WR3/slot touches for Duke at all anymore.

So you're talking WR4 snaps and those guys just don't get all that many looks as is.

Would you rather have Duke (as good as he is as a pass catching RB, he still is a career 9.3 YPC guy) get WR snaps over Coleman and Callaway? Probably not.

 

[MD13]

Hue's usage of Njoku was criminal last year. There was the time he said Njoku was losing snaps because Hue said he needed to block better and then PFF came out with a stat that he was one of the best blocking TE's in the league over the last month, there was the time Hue admitted he needed to play him more only to play him in the lowest percentage of snaps on the year... The dude is legitimately one of the most athletic TEs in the league and an absolute matchup nightmare. Shouldn't be rocket science to give him all the snaps and experience he can handle.

 

[dark2332]

1. Snap counts don't really fluctuate all THAT much from team to team. The Patriots had the No. 2 offense in the league and ran 1140 offensive plays, only about 80 more than the Browns. Comes out to like 5 plays a game.

I’m not going to lie, this is something I should’ve looked up. That statistic shocks the absolute hell out of me, CBBI.

I just assumed that with the number of 3 and outs and lack of time of possession we’ve had the last few years, there’d be a few hundred snap difference if we became a competent team that possessed the football and sustained drives.

Interesting.

 

[sportscoach]

With the addition of Landry, I don't see many WR3/slot touches for Duke at all anymore.

So you're talking WR4 snaps and those guys just don't get all that many looks as is.

Would you rather have Duke (as good as he is as a pass catching RB, he still is a career 9.3 YPC guy) get WR snaps over Coleman and Callaway? Probably not.

He will be mixed in at WR once in awhile plus he could easily be in the game often times in 3rd down situations. You may even see some 2 RB sets as well. I guess I am saying we should switch up our offense some and he is a perfect scat back so we can do different looks and formations than we have been able to in the past.

Coleman doesn't have good history of staying healthy, Callaway needs to stay clean and people do get hurt. I have a hunch Duke will get about 120 actual touches this season being used in a variety of ways.

 

[CBBI]

I have a hunch Duke will get about 120 actual touches this season being used in a variety of ways.

Thanks for making my point for me, I guess?

If Duke gets 120 touches, which seems generous barring injuries/suspensions, that's roughly a 25% drop from what he got last year. I could see how that wouldn't be terribly pleasing to a guy heading into free agency.

 

[SixPACK]

A few things on this..

1) Didn't Duke say he wanted to spend his whole career as a Brown? The league is still leaning towards a RBBC/2&1 combo. He is a great pass catcher. I would love to see what he could do as a 2-down back, but even he has to know he's not a ground & pounder. Hyde is most likely a 1-year guy. Chubb will be replacing the Crow/Hyde roll as the 1-2 down guy. Pound the ball. He caught 31 passes in HIS WHOLE COLLEGE CAREER. I think Duke is safe to get a ton of action.

2) If we are bitching about Dukey's playing time because we may have too crowded of an offense, that is a situation we have not been in since when...? That is fantastic fucking news. Also, Hue may have the intelligence/attention span of my damn puppy, but Haley, Dorsey and the other FO has to know the importance of Duke in our offense as a 2-RB set, all pass catching plays, etc. So, he should and will be seeing the ball. Plus the dude has averaged over 4ypc the past 2 years, so it's not like he's a damn slouch carrying the ball.

3) Going back to Dorsey/Haley, they have to be dumb not to try and actually get that contract done. Especially w/Haley coming from probably the best RB in the NFL who is great at catching the ball, he has to know the value of bringing back Dukey. If he is asking for an absurd amount of $, then okay, hold off. But even if it is slightly above market for him, get it done and lock him up. We can pound Chubb (giggity) and use Duke in many roles for the next 4 years.

 

[AZ_]

If Duke isn't getting the majority of touches out of that backfield, the offensive coordinator and Hue Jackson are likely going to be a major disappointment as well.

He's the best player not named Josh Gordon on the offense. I don't care that he's "small," he's got 9 yards per catch and 4.6 per carry over the last two years.

Carlos Hyde and Nick Chubb can earn the other touches.

 

[dark2332]

If Duke isn't getting the majority of touches out of that backfield, the offensive coordinator and Hue Jackson are likely going to be a major disappointment as well.

He's the best player not named Josh Gordon on the offense. I don't care that he's "small," he's got 9 yards per catch and 4.6 per carry over the last two years.

Carlos Hyde and Nick Chubb can earn the other touches.

Are you his agent?

 

[Jack Brickman]

With the addition of Landry, I don't see many WR3/slot touches for Duke at all anymore.

So you're talking WR4 snaps and those guys just don't get all that many looks as is.

Would you rather have Duke (as good as he is as a pass catching RB, he still is a career 9.3 YPC guy) get WR snaps over Coleman and Callaway? Probably not.

Duke's YPC is in the upper tier for his position.

RB yards per catch numbers are going to be skewed, because almost all their catches are on screens and short routes. Hard to really puff your numbers when you never get any downfield work.

That said, I do want to see both Coleman and Callaway get a shot as well. I imagine we'll see some injuries on the offensive end that will open things up a bit. They always happen.

 

[Lee]

Duke's YPC is in the upper tier for his position.

RB yards per catch numbers are going to be skewed, because almost all their catches are on screens and short routes. Hard to really puff your numbers when you never get any downfield work.

That said, I do want to see both Coleman and Callaway get a shot as well. I imagine we'll see some injuries on the offensive end that will open things up a bit. They always happen.

If I was a betting man, I say Coleman breaks his hand?

 

[Sebastian]

If Duke isn't getting the majority of touches out of that backfield, the offensive coordinator and Hue Jackson are likely going to be a major disappointment as well.

He's the best player not named Josh Gordon on the offense. I don't care that he's "small," he's got 9 yards per catch and 4.6 per carry over the last two years.

Carlos Hyde and Nick Chubb can earn the other touches.

If Hyde is healthy he's better.

Better runner, great receiving back.

 

[sportscoach]

If Hyde is healthy he's better.

Better runner, great receiving back.

To me Hyde is a better overall back, but Duke is the better receiving back of the two. That being said Hyde is an every down style of back when healthy while Duke to me is a scatback/3rd down back. Duke's specialty is catching the ball out of the backfield (aka I feel he is like Darren Sproles in a lot of ways)

 

[FrontPageNews]

Lmao another shameless Huey leak.