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2018 Draft Prospects Thread

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So then there's no Prototype then......

Or the better question is what is the Prototype? Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers are my top 4 QB's and they are all completely different yet very successful. I think you can be successful if you can find a guy who compares favorably to one of these guys but you don't have to be limited to choosing from one of them.

Prototypical size is one thing, I'm the prototypical QB size at 6'3 240. That doesn't mean I have the ability to be an NFL QB. I'm horribly slow, my footwork is a mess and my ball velocity is somewhere in the low to mid 40s. :chuckle:
 
Prototypical size is one thing, I'm the prototypical QB size at 6'3 240. That doesn't mean I have the ability to be an NFL QB. I'm horribly slow, my footwork is a mess and my ball velocity is somewhere in the low to mid 40s. :chuckle:

Was he cute?
 
My two favorite prospects in Rosen & Darnold going head to head tomorrow night. USC should win since they're the better team, but definitely will be a fun game to watch for scouting purposes. Look for Rosen's "wow" throws from the pocket against Darnold's mobility and accuracy on the run.
 
Rosen is my guy in this draft. The personality thing doesn't bother me too much...yes he seems like a prick, but he doesn't necessarily seem selfish. From what I've read he's a big proponent of the social progressive movement and equal rights. Not that my political ideologies match up with this at all, but he was a huge Bernie Sanders guy. Doesn't sound like such a selfish, bigoted prick to me. More sounds like a guy who likes to get a rise out of people. That's just a maturity thing from a 20 year old kid imo.

My biggest worry with Rosen is that someone on here (maybe @Juice Is Loose) who apparently has some Browns connections says that the Browns are all but writing him off with character concerns. Hopefully that's not the case.
 
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1. Cleveland Browns: Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA. Even though DeShone Kizer has flashed at times, he’s not done enough to prove the Browns shouldn’t try someone else. Rosen looks like a very promising passer with major upside and has shown he can thrive despite a weak supporting cast. He would not be my choice but he’s the best fit of what the NFL types believe a franchise savior at QB should look like.

2. New York Giants: Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville. This is assuming Sam Darnold does not declare, which is the loud whisper on the scouting street right now. Jackson has improved his passing touch and anticipation, though the stats don’t reflect his upgrade. His dual-threat ability and easy confidence have star-level upside for a team—and city—desperate for the next great thing.

3. San Francisco 49ers: Minkah Fitzpatrick, DB, Alabama.Fitzpatrick is NFL-ready coming out of Alabama’s pro-style defense and has both the range and instincts to be very good right away. Similar to Jalen Ramsey two years ago, he can play anywhere in the secondary. The 49ers back end needs help, and Fitzpatrick pairing with impressive rookie Ahkello Witherspoon would solve a lot of problems.

4. Indianapolis Colts: Bradley Chubb, DE, North Carolina State. A dynamic pass rusher off the edge who also plays well in space, Chubb continues to impress with his all-around football ability. He’d make a nice fit for an Indianapolis defense that needs star power up front.

5. Cincinnati Bengals: Christian Wilkins, DT, Clemson. With the core of the defense aging, the Bengals could look to reinvigorate the front line with the dynamic Wilkins. He bears some athletic resemblance to J.J. Watt coming out of Wisconsin. Installing Wilkins next to Geno Atkins makes the Bengals DL a fearsome weapon once again.

6. Los Angeles Chargers: Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming. I’ll clear this up right away—I do not even consider Allen a draftable prospect. He’s been one of the worst passers and least efficient QBs in college football the last two years despite playing one of the lighter pass defense schedules in both seasons. But he’s got amazing physical attributes and a great story and that will blind some team to the fact he has no real discernible aptitude as a QB. Sorry, Chargers fans. Y’all had a nice run with Phillip Rivers.

7. Denver Broncos: Quenton Nelson, G, Notre Dame. This might seem high for a guard, but he’s as can’t-miss of a prospect as I can recall (sorry for the kiss of death!). Denver’s OL needs a stabilizing force, and Nelson with Garett Bolles at tackle can dramatically improve the offense. This might be my favorite pick of this mock.

8. Cleveland (from HOU): Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State. The buzz has died a little on Barkley, who has topped 75 yards rushing just once in his last six games. But the big-legged back has exceptional versatility and still maximizes yards with the ball in his hands. If Isaiah Crowell bolts Cleveland in free agency (and they might let him too) there is a crying need for a bigger RB to pair with Duke Johnson.

9. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Arden Key, DE, LSU. It’s always nice when prospects broaden their game over their college careers. Key has always had the outside rushing sizzle, but he’s added more stoutness and diversity to his repertoire. That makes him a higher-floor prospect to go with his very high ceiling as a pass rusher. The Bucs desperately need someone to impact the opposing QB, and Key fits the bill nicely.

10. Chicago Bears: Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama. Mitchell Trubisky needs weapons. Ridley, while older than ideal for a prospect, has proven he can catch, run and block even if the stats aren’t eye-popping. In a WR class that lacks distinction, being perceived as the best all-around talent could inflate his value this high.

11. New York Jets: Connor Williams, OT, Texas. The Jets need better long-term solutions than Brandon Shell and Kelvin Beachum at offensive tackle, and Williams can be that guy. He’s missed time this year with a knee injury but is expected to be back for the Longhorns this week. As long as he looks close to as good as he was last year, there is little doubt Williams will be a top 20 pick.

12. Arizona Cardinals: Orlando Brown, OT, Oklahoma. This is another case where thin supply at a critical position makes a team antsy and address something other than a primary need. Brown is a behemoth at tackle and has the ability to play on either the left or the right as a tone-setting presence. The Cardinals are okay at tackle if D.J. Humphries and Jared Veldheer are healthy, but they haven’t been healthy together often enough.

13. Oakland Raiders: DaRon Payne, DT, Alabama. An attack dog widebody inside who shows exceptional play recognition and finishing ability, Payne is a better athlete than credited too. He would bolster a youthful Oakland interior that has some talent but needs more impact.

14. Baltimore Ravens: Billy Price, C, Ohio State. Price has elevated his game in his senior season and has demonstrated skills that translate at center or guard. He would be a welcome force on the Baltimore interior line chronically battling injury woes.

15. Miami Dolphins: Derwin James, S, Florida State. It seems crazy that James could fall this far; he was a consensus top-5 talent entering the year. Other than the Clemson game the impact plays just aren’t there for the safety, who is athletically straight out of central casting. The Dolphins go best player available regardless of position here, and they happen to need his talents on the back end too.

16. Washington: Tarvarus McFadden, CB, Florida State. The lanky CB was better in ’16 but still projects as a first-round talent with his outstanding ball-in-air skills and confidence. He’d be a nice fit opposite Josh Norman.

17. Dallas Cowboys: Maurice Hurst, DT, Michigan. Hurst is a no-nonsense 3T Rod Marinelli would love on the defensive line in Dallas, where depth and impact have been in short order for years. He’s one of the best at winning leverage battles and getting off blocks.

18. Detroit Lions: Harold Landry, DE, Boston College. Detroit’s anemic pass rush desperately needs an upgrade, and the lithe Landry can provide instant impact. That he can also move well in space and blow up screens and quick slants is even tastier gravy. The Lions cannot enter 2018 with Anthony Zettel as the best pass rusher on the roster.

19. Atlanta Falcons: Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford. The Falcons continue the youthful overhaul of the defense by adding an underrated piece to the front in Phillips. He’s a bit of a schematic misfit but a higher-end talent than Stanford predecessor Henry Anderson. Might be the best tackling defensive lineman in college football, Atlanta can use that. Who couldn’t?

20. Green Bay Packers: Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State. The Buckeyes keep churning out impressive cover corners and Ward is the latest in line. He’s excellent before the pass and while the ball is in the air and scheme-diverse. This is a lot of draft capital for the Packers to spend on a position they’ve sunk so much into recently, but they need a No. 1 CB badly. Note I had WR Christian Kirk here in the initial draft before changing to a better overall player.

21. Buffalo Bills: Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma. The buzz continues to grow for Mayfield thanks to his Jeff Garcia-esque talents and pluck. The Bills have shown a willingness to roll the dice on QBs, and Mayfield has a lot more going for him than JP Losman or E.J. Manuel did. I suspect they’d prefer if Nathan Peterman proves this pick unnecessary, however.

22. Seattle Seahawks: Derrius Guice, RB, LSU. Some will say Guice is a better NFL prospect than former LSU backfield mate Leonard Fournette. They’re vastly different runners, and the style Guice plays fits Seattle’s offense nicely. He’s a violent speedster with great vision and balance. As is requisite with every Seattle RB, he does have some injury worries, but that’s also why they need him. I’d be very happy with his pick for the Seahawks.

23. Jacksonville Jaguars: Mark Andrews, TE, Oklahoma. The top TE prospect (IMO) can win from the slot or even flexed wide with his strong routes and athleticism in space. He’s not a great blocker but the Jaguars almost never use their TEs in pass protection. Another solid weapon for Blake Bortles.

24. Carolina Panthers: Ronnie Harrison, S, Alabama. The Panthers opt to continue building up the secondary with Harrison. He’s not optimal in coverage but doesn’t run himself out of position, and his dynamic run defense and closing ability on passes in front of him make him a major threat, something Carolina can use behind the speedy LBs.

25. Tennessee Titans: Clelin Ferrell, Edge, Clemson. Ferrell has an incredible first step off the edge, disruptive and consistent. He’s still learning to finish and stay in control at full burst, but making nice progress. Tennessee has underperformed on the pass rush front despite having some name talent, and Ferrell can remedy that problem.

26. Los Angeles Rams: Carlton Davis CB, Auburn. One of the most physical CBs in man coverage, Davis is a master of using his length and strength to disrupt routes. He’s also a great tackler in the run game. That’s a nice fit for a Rams team that seems to have the offense figured out but remains vulnerable on the outside defensively.

27. Buffalo (from KC): James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State.Washington is at his best outside the numbers and down the field, where he consistently gets open but can also win contested catches. He’s made an excellent speed complement to Kelvin Benjamin and Jordan Matthews for whomever is playing QB in Buffalo.

28. New Orleans Saints: Ryan Finley, QB, North Carolina State. It’s time for the Saints to draft Drew Brees’ successor-in-waiting, and Finley has the poise, accuracy and vision to run the same offense. He’s quietly emerging much in the way Mitchell Trubisky did a year ago.

29. Minnesota Vikings: Martez Ivey, OT, Florida. If he declares, the Gators' left tackle becomes the high-ceiling talent who can play either guard or tackle the Vikings sorely need up front. He’s improved his foot quickness as he kicked outside this season. He’s better than Florida’s offense has allowed him to show.

30. New England Patriots: Courtland Sutton, WR, SMU. Sutton is a polished receiver with excellent size and improved precision to his movement in ’17. He’s got a reputation for being a film junkie and tireless worker, as well as a nasty blocker on the outside. Sounds like the type of player who appeals to Bill Belichick, and he fills a need for a bigger weapon for Tom Brady.

31. Pittsburgh Steelers: Austin Bryant, DE, Clemson. The rich get richer as the Steelers add another formidable all-around talent to the defensive front in Bryant. His physicality and high motor while playing with talent all around him make him a safe pick, too.

32. Philadelphia Eagles: Rashaan Evans, LB, Alabama. The latest in a string of physical and smart off-ball LBs for Alabama, Evans has better range and fluidity in space than most of his predecessors. He’s a Jim Schwartz kind of OLB if the Eagles can keep their defensive coordinator locked up.
 
Kizer with the typical Browns QB late season hopeful game where we miss out on another QB the following year. Just like what Quinn, McCoy, Weedon and Johnny did.
 
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1. Cleveland Browns: Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA. Even though DeShone Kizer has flashed at times, he’s not done enough to prove the Browns shouldn’t try someone else. Rosen looks like a very promising passer with major upside and has shown he can thrive despite a weak supporting cast. He would not be my choice but he’s the best fit of what the NFL types believe a franchise savior at QB should look like.

2. New York Giants: Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville. This is assuming Sam Darnold does not declare, which is the loud whisper on the scouting street right now. Jackson has improved his passing touch and anticipation, though the stats don’t reflect his upgrade. His dual-threat ability and easy confidence have star-level upside for a team—and city—desperate for the next great thing.

3. San Francisco 49ers: Minkah Fitzpatrick, DB, Alabama.Fitzpatrick is NFL-ready coming out of Alabama’s pro-style defense and has both the range and instincts to be very good right away. Similar to Jalen Ramsey two years ago, he can play anywhere in the secondary. The 49ers back end needs help, and Fitzpatrick pairing with impressive rookie Ahkello Witherspoon would solve a lot of problems.

4. Indianapolis Colts: Bradley Chubb, DE, North Carolina State. A dynamic pass rusher off the edge who also plays well in space, Chubb continues to impress with his all-around football ability. He’d make a nice fit for an Indianapolis defense that needs star power up front.

5. Cincinnati Bengals: Christian Wilkins, DT, Clemson. With the core of the defense aging, the Bengals could look to reinvigorate the front line with the dynamic Wilkins. He bears some athletic resemblance to J.J. Watt coming out of Wisconsin. Installing Wilkins next to Geno Atkins makes the Bengals DL a fearsome weapon once again.

6. Los Angeles Chargers: Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming. I’ll clear this up right away—I do not even consider Allen a draftable prospect. He’s been one of the worst passers and least efficient QBs in college football the last two years despite playing one of the lighter pass defense schedules in both seasons. But he’s got amazing physical attributes and a great story and that will blind some team to the fact he has no real discernible aptitude as a QB. Sorry, Chargers fans. Y’all had a nice run with Phillip Rivers.

7. Denver Broncos: Quenton Nelson, G, Notre Dame. This might seem high for a guard, but he’s as can’t-miss of a prospect as I can recall (sorry for the kiss of death!). Denver’s OL needs a stabilizing force, and Nelson with Garett Bolles at tackle can dramatically improve the offense. This might be my favorite pick of this mock.

8. Cleveland (from HOU): Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State. The buzz has died a little on Barkley, who has topped 75 yards rushing just once in his last six games. But the big-legged back has exceptional versatility and still maximizes yards with the ball in his hands. If Isaiah Crowell bolts Cleveland in free agency (and they might let him too) there is a crying need for a bigger RB to pair with Duke Johnson.

9. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Arden Key, DE, LSU. It’s always nice when prospects broaden their game over their college careers. Key has always had the outside rushing sizzle, but he’s added more stoutness and diversity to his repertoire. That makes him a higher-floor prospect to go with his very high ceiling as a pass rusher. The Bucs desperately need someone to impact the opposing QB, and Key fits the bill nicely.

10. Chicago Bears: Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama. Mitchell Trubisky needs weapons. Ridley, while older than ideal for a prospect, has proven he can catch, run and block even if the stats aren’t eye-popping. In a WR class that lacks distinction, being perceived as the best all-around talent could inflate his value this high.

11. New York Jets: Connor Williams, OT, Texas. The Jets need better long-term solutions than Brandon Shell and Kelvin Beachum at offensive tackle, and Williams can be that guy. He’s missed time this year with a knee injury but is expected to be back for the Longhorns this week. As long as he looks close to as good as he was last year, there is little doubt Williams will be a top 20 pick.

12. Arizona Cardinals: Orlando Brown, OT, Oklahoma. This is another case where thin supply at a critical position makes a team antsy and address something other than a primary need. Brown is a behemoth at tackle and has the ability to play on either the left or the right as a tone-setting presence. The Cardinals are okay at tackle if D.J. Humphries and Jared Veldheer are healthy, but they haven’t been healthy together often enough.

13. Oakland Raiders: DaRon Payne, DT, Alabama. An attack dog widebody inside who shows exceptional play recognition and finishing ability, Payne is a better athlete than credited too. He would bolster a youthful Oakland interior that has some talent but needs more impact.

14. Baltimore Ravens: Billy Price, C, Ohio State. Price has elevated his game in his senior season and has demonstrated skills that translate at center or guard. He would be a welcome force on the Baltimore interior line chronically battling injury woes.

15. Miami Dolphins: Derwin James, S, Florida State. It seems crazy that James could fall this far; he was a consensus top-5 talent entering the year. Other than the Clemson game the impact plays just aren’t there for the safety, who is athletically straight out of central casting. The Dolphins go best player available regardless of position here, and they happen to need his talents on the back end too.

16. Washington: Tarvarus McFadden, CB, Florida State. The lanky CB was better in ’16 but still projects as a first-round talent with his outstanding ball-in-air skills and confidence. He’d be a nice fit opposite Josh Norman.

17. Dallas Cowboys: Maurice Hurst, DT, Michigan. Hurst is a no-nonsense 3T Rod Marinelli would love on the defensive line in Dallas, where depth and impact have been in short order for years. He’s one of the best at winning leverage battles and getting off blocks.

18. Detroit Lions: Harold Landry, DE, Boston College. Detroit’s anemic pass rush desperately needs an upgrade, and the lithe Landry can provide instant impact. That he can also move well in space and blow up screens and quick slants is even tastier gravy. The Lions cannot enter 2018 with Anthony Zettel as the best pass rusher on the roster.

19. Atlanta Falcons: Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford. The Falcons continue the youthful overhaul of the defense by adding an underrated piece to the front in Phillips. He’s a bit of a schematic misfit but a higher-end talent than Stanford predecessor Henry Anderson. Might be the best tackling defensive lineman in college football, Atlanta can use that. Who couldn’t?

20. Green Bay Packers: Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State. The Buckeyes keep churning out impressive cover corners and Ward is the latest in line. He’s excellent before the pass and while the ball is in the air and scheme-diverse. This is a lot of draft capital for the Packers to spend on a position they’ve sunk so much into recently, but they need a No. 1 CB badly. Note I had WR Christian Kirk here in the initial draft before changing to a better overall player.

21. Buffalo Bills: Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma. The buzz continues to grow for Mayfield thanks to his Jeff Garcia-esque talents and pluck. The Bills have shown a willingness to roll the dice on QBs, and Mayfield has a lot more going for him than JP Losman or E.J. Manuel did. I suspect they’d prefer if Nathan Peterman proves this pick unnecessary, however.

22. Seattle Seahawks: Derrius Guice, RB, LSU. Some will say Guice is a better NFL prospect than former LSU backfield mate Leonard Fournette. They’re vastly different runners, and the style Guice plays fits Seattle’s offense nicely. He’s a violent speedster with great vision and balance. As is requisite with every Seattle RB, he does have some injury worries, but that’s also why they need him. I’d be very happy with his pick for the Seahawks.

23. Jacksonville Jaguars: Mark Andrews, TE, Oklahoma. The top TE prospect (IMO) can win from the slot or even flexed wide with his strong routes and athleticism in space. He’s not a great blocker but the Jaguars almost never use their TEs in pass protection. Another solid weapon for Blake Bortles.

24. Carolina Panthers: Ronnie Harrison, S, Alabama. The Panthers opt to continue building up the secondary with Harrison. He’s not optimal in coverage but doesn’t run himself out of position, and his dynamic run defense and closing ability on passes in front of him make him a major threat, something Carolina can use behind the speedy LBs.

25. Tennessee Titans: Clelin Ferrell, Edge, Clemson. Ferrell has an incredible first step off the edge, disruptive and consistent. He’s still learning to finish and stay in control at full burst, but making nice progress. Tennessee has underperformed on the pass rush front despite having some name talent, and Ferrell can remedy that problem.

26. Los Angeles Rams: Carlton Davis CB, Auburn. One of the most physical CBs in man coverage, Davis is a master of using his length and strength to disrupt routes. He’s also a great tackler in the run game. That’s a nice fit for a Rams team that seems to have the offense figured out but remains vulnerable on the outside defensively.

27. Buffalo (from KC): James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State.Washington is at his best outside the numbers and down the field, where he consistently gets open but can also win contested catches. He’s made an excellent speed complement to Kelvin Benjamin and Jordan Matthews for whomever is playing QB in Buffalo.

28. New Orleans Saints: Ryan Finley, QB, North Carolina State. It’s time for the Saints to draft Drew Brees’ successor-in-waiting, and Finley has the poise, accuracy and vision to run the same offense. He’s quietly emerging much in the way Mitchell Trubisky did a year ago.

29. Minnesota Vikings: Martez Ivey, OT, Florida. If he declares, the Gators' left tackle becomes the high-ceiling talent who can play either guard or tackle the Vikings sorely need up front. He’s improved his foot quickness as he kicked outside this season. He’s better than Florida’s offense has allowed him to show.

30. New England Patriots: Courtland Sutton, WR, SMU. Sutton is a polished receiver with excellent size and improved precision to his movement in ’17. He’s got a reputation for being a film junkie and tireless worker, as well as a nasty blocker on the outside. Sounds like the type of player who appeals to Bill Belichick, and he fills a need for a bigger weapon for Tom Brady.

31. Pittsburgh Steelers: Austin Bryant, DE, Clemson. The rich get richer as the Steelers add another formidable all-around talent to the defensive front in Bryant. His physicality and high motor while playing with talent all around him make him a safe pick, too.

32. Philadelphia Eagles: Rashaan Evans, LB, Alabama. The latest in a string of physical and smart off-ball LBs for Alabama, Evans has better range and fluidity in space than most of his predecessors. He’s a Jim Schwartz kind of OLB if the Eagles can keep their defensive coordinator locked up.

Bruh...if we get Rosen and Barkley?! Super Bowl confirmed
 
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1. Cleveland Browns: Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA. Even though DeShone Kizer has flashed at times, he’s not done enough to prove the Browns shouldn’t try someone else. Rosen looks like a very promising passer with major upside and has shown he can thrive despite a weak supporting cast. He would not be my choice but he’s the best fit of what the NFL types believe a franchise savior at QB should look like.

2. New York Giants: Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville. This is assuming Sam Darnold does not declare, which is the loud whisper on the scouting street right now. Jackson has improved his passing touch and anticipation, though the stats don’t reflect his upgrade. His dual-threat ability and easy confidence have star-level upside for a team—and city—desperate for the next great thing.

3. San Francisco 49ers: Minkah Fitzpatrick, DB, Alabama.Fitzpatrick is NFL-ready coming out of Alabama’s pro-style defense and has both the range and instincts to be very good right away. Similar to Jalen Ramsey two years ago, he can play anywhere in the secondary. The 49ers back end needs help, and Fitzpatrick pairing with impressive rookie Ahkello Witherspoon would solve a lot of problems.

4. Indianapolis Colts: Bradley Chubb, DE, North Carolina State. A dynamic pass rusher off the edge who also plays well in space, Chubb continues to impress with his all-around football ability. He’d make a nice fit for an Indianapolis defense that needs star power up front.

5. Cincinnati Bengals: Christian Wilkins, DT, Clemson. With the core of the defense aging, the Bengals could look to reinvigorate the front line with the dynamic Wilkins. He bears some athletic resemblance to J.J. Watt coming out of Wisconsin. Installing Wilkins next to Geno Atkins makes the Bengals DL a fearsome weapon once again.

6. Los Angeles Chargers: Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming. I’ll clear this up right away—I do not even consider Allen a draftable prospect. He’s been one of the worst passers and least efficient QBs in college football the last two years despite playing one of the lighter pass defense schedules in both seasons. But he’s got amazing physical attributes and a great story and that will blind some team to the fact he has no real discernible aptitude as a QB. Sorry, Chargers fans. Y’all had a nice run with Phillip Rivers.

7. Denver Broncos: Quenton Nelson, G, Notre Dame. This might seem high for a guard, but he’s as can’t-miss of a prospect as I can recall (sorry for the kiss of death!). Denver’s OL needs a stabilizing force, and Nelson with Garett Bolles at tackle can dramatically improve the offense. This might be my favorite pick of this mock.

8. Cleveland (from HOU): Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State. The buzz has died a little on Barkley, who has topped 75 yards rushing just once in his last six games. But the big-legged back has exceptional versatility and still maximizes yards with the ball in his hands. If Isaiah Crowell bolts Cleveland in free agency (and they might let him too) there is a crying need for a bigger RB to pair with Duke Johnson.

9. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Arden Key, DE, LSU. It’s always nice when prospects broaden their game over their college careers. Key has always had the outside rushing sizzle, but he’s added more stoutness and diversity to his repertoire. That makes him a higher-floor prospect to go with his very high ceiling as a pass rusher. The Bucs desperately need someone to impact the opposing QB, and Key fits the bill nicely.

10. Chicago Bears: Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama. Mitchell Trubisky needs weapons. Ridley, while older than ideal for a prospect, has proven he can catch, run and block even if the stats aren’t eye-popping. In a WR class that lacks distinction, being perceived as the best all-around talent could inflate his value this high.

11. New York Jets: Connor Williams, OT, Texas. The Jets need better long-term solutions than Brandon Shell and Kelvin Beachum at offensive tackle, and Williams can be that guy. He’s missed time this year with a knee injury but is expected to be back for the Longhorns this week. As long as he looks close to as good as he was last year, there is little doubt Williams will be a top 20 pick.

12. Arizona Cardinals: Orlando Brown, OT, Oklahoma. This is another case where thin supply at a critical position makes a team antsy and address something other than a primary need. Brown is a behemoth at tackle and has the ability to play on either the left or the right as a tone-setting presence. The Cardinals are okay at tackle if D.J. Humphries and Jared Veldheer are healthy, but they haven’t been healthy together often enough.

13. Oakland Raiders: DaRon Payne, DT, Alabama. An attack dog widebody inside who shows exceptional play recognition and finishing ability, Payne is a better athlete than credited too. He would bolster a youthful Oakland interior that has some talent but needs more impact.

14. Baltimore Ravens: Billy Price, C, Ohio State. Price has elevated his game in his senior season and has demonstrated skills that translate at center or guard. He would be a welcome force on the Baltimore interior line chronically battling injury woes.

15. Miami Dolphins: Derwin James, S, Florida State. It seems crazy that James could fall this far; he was a consensus top-5 talent entering the year. Other than the Clemson game the impact plays just aren’t there for the safety, who is athletically straight out of central casting. The Dolphins go best player available regardless of position here, and they happen to need his talents on the back end too.

16. Washington: Tarvarus McFadden, CB, Florida State. The lanky CB was better in ’16 but still projects as a first-round talent with his outstanding ball-in-air skills and confidence. He’d be a nice fit opposite Josh Norman.

17. Dallas Cowboys: Maurice Hurst, DT, Michigan. Hurst is a no-nonsense 3T Rod Marinelli would love on the defensive line in Dallas, where depth and impact have been in short order for years. He’s one of the best at winning leverage battles and getting off blocks.

18. Detroit Lions: Harold Landry, DE, Boston College. Detroit’s anemic pass rush desperately needs an upgrade, and the lithe Landry can provide instant impact. That he can also move well in space and blow up screens and quick slants is even tastier gravy. The Lions cannot enter 2018 with Anthony Zettel as the best pass rusher on the roster.

19. Atlanta Falcons: Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford. The Falcons continue the youthful overhaul of the defense by adding an underrated piece to the front in Phillips. He’s a bit of a schematic misfit but a higher-end talent than Stanford predecessor Henry Anderson. Might be the best tackling defensive lineman in college football, Atlanta can use that. Who couldn’t?

20. Green Bay Packers: Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State. The Buckeyes keep churning out impressive cover corners and Ward is the latest in line. He’s excellent before the pass and while the ball is in the air and scheme-diverse. This is a lot of draft capital for the Packers to spend on a position they’ve sunk so much into recently, but they need a No. 1 CB badly. Note I had WR Christian Kirk here in the initial draft before changing to a better overall player.

21. Buffalo Bills: Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma. The buzz continues to grow for Mayfield thanks to his Jeff Garcia-esque talents and pluck. The Bills have shown a willingness to roll the dice on QBs, and Mayfield has a lot more going for him than JP Losman or E.J. Manuel did. I suspect they’d prefer if Nathan Peterman proves this pick unnecessary, however.

22. Seattle Seahawks: Derrius Guice, RB, LSU. Some will say Guice is a better NFL prospect than former LSU backfield mate Leonard Fournette. They’re vastly different runners, and the style Guice plays fits Seattle’s offense nicely. He’s a violent speedster with great vision and balance. As is requisite with every Seattle RB, he does have some injury worries, but that’s also why they need him. I’d be very happy with his pick for the Seahawks.

23. Jacksonville Jaguars: Mark Andrews, TE, Oklahoma. The top TE prospect (IMO) can win from the slot or even flexed wide with his strong routes and athleticism in space. He’s not a great blocker but the Jaguars almost never use their TEs in pass protection. Another solid weapon for Blake Bortles.

24. Carolina Panthers: Ronnie Harrison, S, Alabama. The Panthers opt to continue building up the secondary with Harrison. He’s not optimal in coverage but doesn’t run himself out of position, and his dynamic run defense and closing ability on passes in front of him make him a major threat, something Carolina can use behind the speedy LBs.

25. Tennessee Titans: Clelin Ferrell, Edge, Clemson. Ferrell has an incredible first step off the edge, disruptive and consistent. He’s still learning to finish and stay in control at full burst, but making nice progress. Tennessee has underperformed on the pass rush front despite having some name talent, and Ferrell can remedy that problem.

26. Los Angeles Rams: Carlton Davis CB, Auburn. One of the most physical CBs in man coverage, Davis is a master of using his length and strength to disrupt routes. He’s also a great tackler in the run game. That’s a nice fit for a Rams team that seems to have the offense figured out but remains vulnerable on the outside defensively.

27. Buffalo (from KC): James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State.Washington is at his best outside the numbers and down the field, where he consistently gets open but can also win contested catches. He’s made an excellent speed complement to Kelvin Benjamin and Jordan Matthews for whomever is playing QB in Buffalo.

28. New Orleans Saints: Ryan Finley, QB, North Carolina State. It’s time for the Saints to draft Drew Brees’ successor-in-waiting, and Finley has the poise, accuracy and vision to run the same offense. He’s quietly emerging much in the way Mitchell Trubisky did a year ago.

29. Minnesota Vikings: Martez Ivey, OT, Florida. If he declares, the Gators' left tackle becomes the high-ceiling talent who can play either guard or tackle the Vikings sorely need up front. He’s improved his foot quickness as he kicked outside this season. He’s better than Florida’s offense has allowed him to show.

30. New England Patriots: Courtland Sutton, WR, SMU. Sutton is a polished receiver with excellent size and improved precision to his movement in ’17. He’s got a reputation for being a film junkie and tireless worker, as well as a nasty blocker on the outside. Sounds like the type of player who appeals to Bill Belichick, and he fills a need for a bigger weapon for Tom Brady.

31. Pittsburgh Steelers: Austin Bryant, DE, Clemson. The rich get richer as the Steelers add another formidable all-around talent to the defensive front in Bryant. His physicality and high motor while playing with talent all around him make him a safe pick, too.

32. Philadelphia Eagles: Rashaan Evans, LB, Alabama. The latest in a string of physical and smart off-ball LBs for Alabama, Evans has better range and fluidity in space than most of his predecessors. He’s a Jim Schwartz kind of OLB if the Eagles can keep their defensive coordinator locked up.

I think the Browns draft 2nd and 5th, versus 1st and 8... But assuming the draft order is right, do we trade down our 2nd pick? There inevitably will be someone who wants Saquon, Key, Ridley, etc., so will we? I think we won't do it. I think the Texans trade down was a very easy bet, although Watson was going to defy odds, but it was a bet you had to take, from the Browns' perspective... I digress...

This draft is all kinds of fucked up but I really want Minkah Fitzpatrick on this team. I think this guy is high with 4 OL's taken in the top 14, no matter how good they are, and Josh Allen won't be a 1st round pick. There were 8 DBs taken last year 1st round, and I think this year will be similar given the emphasis on passing now.
 
Yeah, Goff was our guy. Like everyone here wanted him. Sigh...
Still remember when we dismantled the also tanking 49ers at home which lost us Goff

I said it was one of the worst days for the Browns in many years. Many people called me over dramatic and assured me no one would trade up for Goff. AZ being one of them

Welp...turns out it really was one of the worst days in a long long time for the Browns
 
Still remember when we dismantled the also tanking 49ers at home which lost us Goff

I said it was one of the worst days for the Browns in many years. Many people called me over dramatic and assured me no one would trade up for Goff. AZ being one of them

Welp...turns out it really was one of the worst days in a long long time for the Browns

Not the first time AZ was wrong, won't be the last.

The best part is the Browns still could have salvaged that draft and chose not to. :) :) :) :) :)
 
Still remember when we dismantled the also tanking 49ers at home which lost us Goff

I said it was one of the worst days for the Browns in many years. Many people called me over dramatic and assured me no one would trade up for Goff. AZ being one of them

Welp...turns out it really was one of the worst days in a long long time for the Browns

It’s hard to say right now what they need to do since we need some wins, but also staying high in the draft is smart too. I’d like to see wins especially if we can get Mayfield at 20.

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1. Cleveland Browns: Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA. Even though DeShone Kizer has flashed at times, he’s not done enough to prove the Browns shouldn’t try someone else. Rosen looks like a very promising passer with major upside and has shown he can thrive despite a weak supporting cast. He would not be my choice but he’s the best fit of what the NFL types believe a franchise savior at QB should look like.

2. New York Giants: Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville. This is assuming Sam Darnold does not declare, which is the loud whisper on the scouting street right now. Jackson has improved his passing touch and anticipation, though the stats don’t reflect his upgrade. His dual-threat ability and easy confidence have star-level upside for a team—and city—desperate for the next great thing.

3. San Francisco 49ers: Minkah Fitzpatrick, DB, Alabama.Fitzpatrick is NFL-ready coming out of Alabama’s pro-style defense and has both the range and instincts to be very good right away. Similar to Jalen Ramsey two years ago, he can play anywhere in the secondary. The 49ers back end needs help, and Fitzpatrick pairing with impressive rookie Ahkello Witherspoon would solve a lot of problems.

4. Indianapolis Colts: Bradley Chubb, DE, North Carolina State. A dynamic pass rusher off the edge who also plays well in space, Chubb continues to impress with his all-around football ability. He’d make a nice fit for an Indianapolis defense that needs star power up front.

5. Cincinnati Bengals: Christian Wilkins, DT, Clemson. With the core of the defense aging, the Bengals could look to reinvigorate the front line with the dynamic Wilkins. He bears some athletic resemblance to J.J. Watt coming out of Wisconsin. Installing Wilkins next to Geno Atkins makes the Bengals DL a fearsome weapon once again.

6. Los Angeles Chargers: Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming. I’ll clear this up right away—I do not even consider Allen a draftable prospect. He’s been one of the worst passers and least efficient QBs in college football the last two years despite playing one of the lighter pass defense schedules in both seasons. But he’s got amazing physical attributes and a great story and that will blind some team to the fact he has no real discernible aptitude as a QB. Sorry, Chargers fans. Y’all had a nice run with Phillip Rivers.

7. Denver Broncos: Quenton Nelson, G, Notre Dame. This might seem high for a guard, but he’s as can’t-miss of a prospect as I can recall (sorry for the kiss of death!). Denver’s OL needs a stabilizing force, and Nelson with Garett Bolles at tackle can dramatically improve the offense. This might be my favorite pick of this mock.

8. Cleveland (from HOU): Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State. The buzz has died a little on Barkley, who has topped 75 yards rushing just once in his last six games. But the big-legged back has exceptional versatility and still maximizes yards with the ball in his hands. If Isaiah Crowell bolts Cleveland in free agency (and they might let him too) there is a crying need for a bigger RB to pair with Duke Johnson.

9. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Arden Key, DE, LSU. It’s always nice when prospects broaden their game over their college careers. Key has always had the outside rushing sizzle, but he’s added more stoutness and diversity to his repertoire. That makes him a higher-floor prospect to go with his very high ceiling as a pass rusher. The Bucs desperately need someone to impact the opposing QB, and Key fits the bill nicely.

10. Chicago Bears: Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama. Mitchell Trubisky needs weapons. Ridley, while older than ideal for a prospect, has proven he can catch, run and block even if the stats aren’t eye-popping. In a WR class that lacks distinction, being perceived as the best all-around talent could inflate his value this high.

11. New York Jets: Connor Williams, OT, Texas. The Jets need better long-term solutions than Brandon Shell and Kelvin Beachum at offensive tackle, and Williams can be that guy. He’s missed time this year with a knee injury but is expected to be back for the Longhorns this week. As long as he looks close to as good as he was last year, there is little doubt Williams will be a top 20 pick.

12. Arizona Cardinals: Orlando Brown, OT, Oklahoma. This is another case where thin supply at a critical position makes a team antsy and address something other than a primary need. Brown is a behemoth at tackle and has the ability to play on either the left or the right as a tone-setting presence. The Cardinals are okay at tackle if D.J. Humphries and Jared Veldheer are healthy, but they haven’t been healthy together often enough.

13. Oakland Raiders: DaRon Payne, DT, Alabama. An attack dog widebody inside who shows exceptional play recognition and finishing ability, Payne is a better athlete than credited too. He would bolster a youthful Oakland interior that has some talent but needs more impact.

14. Baltimore Ravens: Billy Price, C, Ohio State. Price has elevated his game in his senior season and has demonstrated skills that translate at center or guard. He would be a welcome force on the Baltimore interior line chronically battling injury woes.

15. Miami Dolphins: Derwin James, S, Florida State. It seems crazy that James could fall this far; he was a consensus top-5 talent entering the year. Other than the Clemson game the impact plays just aren’t there for the safety, who is athletically straight out of central casting. The Dolphins go best player available regardless of position here, and they happen to need his talents on the back end too.

16. Washington: Tarvarus McFadden, CB, Florida State. The lanky CB was better in ’16 but still projects as a first-round talent with his outstanding ball-in-air skills and confidence. He’d be a nice fit opposite Josh Norman.

17. Dallas Cowboys: Maurice Hurst, DT, Michigan. Hurst is a no-nonsense 3T Rod Marinelli would love on the defensive line in Dallas, where depth and impact have been in short order for years. He’s one of the best at winning leverage battles and getting off blocks.

18. Detroit Lions: Harold Landry, DE, Boston College. Detroit’s anemic pass rush desperately needs an upgrade, and the lithe Landry can provide instant impact. That he can also move well in space and blow up screens and quick slants is even tastier gravy. The Lions cannot enter 2018 with Anthony Zettel as the best pass rusher on the roster.

19. Atlanta Falcons: Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford. The Falcons continue the youthful overhaul of the defense by adding an underrated piece to the front in Phillips. He’s a bit of a schematic misfit but a higher-end talent than Stanford predecessor Henry Anderson. Might be the best tackling defensive lineman in college football, Atlanta can use that. Who couldn’t?

20. Green Bay Packers: Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State. The Buckeyes keep churning out impressive cover corners and Ward is the latest in line. He’s excellent before the pass and while the ball is in the air and scheme-diverse. This is a lot of draft capital for the Packers to spend on a position they’ve sunk so much into recently, but they need a No. 1 CB badly. Note I had WR Christian Kirk here in the initial draft before changing to a better overall player.

21. Buffalo Bills: Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma. The buzz continues to grow for Mayfield thanks to his Jeff Garcia-esque talents and pluck. The Bills have shown a willingness to roll the dice on QBs, and Mayfield has a lot more going for him than JP Losman or E.J. Manuel did. I suspect they’d prefer if Nathan Peterman proves this pick unnecessary, however.

22. Seattle Seahawks: Derrius Guice, RB, LSU. Some will say Guice is a better NFL prospect than former LSU backfield mate Leonard Fournette. They’re vastly different runners, and the style Guice plays fits Seattle’s offense nicely. He’s a violent speedster with great vision and balance. As is requisite with every Seattle RB, he does have some injury worries, but that’s also why they need him. I’d be very happy with his pick for the Seahawks.

23. Jacksonville Jaguars: Mark Andrews, TE, Oklahoma. The top TE prospect (IMO) can win from the slot or even flexed wide with his strong routes and athleticism in space. He’s not a great blocker but the Jaguars almost never use their TEs in pass protection. Another solid weapon for Blake Bortles.

24. Carolina Panthers: Ronnie Harrison, S, Alabama. The Panthers opt to continue building up the secondary with Harrison. He’s not optimal in coverage but doesn’t run himself out of position, and his dynamic run defense and closing ability on passes in front of him make him a major threat, something Carolina can use behind the speedy LBs.

25. Tennessee Titans: Clelin Ferrell, Edge, Clemson. Ferrell has an incredible first step off the edge, disruptive and consistent. He’s still learning to finish and stay in control at full burst, but making nice progress. Tennessee has underperformed on the pass rush front despite having some name talent, and Ferrell can remedy that problem.

26. Los Angeles Rams: Carlton Davis CB, Auburn. One of the most physical CBs in man coverage, Davis is a master of using his length and strength to disrupt routes. He’s also a great tackler in the run game. That’s a nice fit for a Rams team that seems to have the offense figured out but remains vulnerable on the outside defensively.

27. Buffalo (from KC): James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State.Washington is at his best outside the numbers and down the field, where he consistently gets open but can also win contested catches. He’s made an excellent speed complement to Kelvin Benjamin and Jordan Matthews for whomever is playing QB in Buffalo.

28. New Orleans Saints: Ryan Finley, QB, North Carolina State. It’s time for the Saints to draft Drew Brees’ successor-in-waiting, and Finley has the poise, accuracy and vision to run the same offense. He’s quietly emerging much in the way Mitchell Trubisky did a year ago.

29. Minnesota Vikings: Martez Ivey, OT, Florida. If he declares, the Gators' left tackle becomes the high-ceiling talent who can play either guard or tackle the Vikings sorely need up front. He’s improved his foot quickness as he kicked outside this season. He’s better than Florida’s offense has allowed him to show.

30. New England Patriots: Courtland Sutton, WR, SMU. Sutton is a polished receiver with excellent size and improved precision to his movement in ’17. He’s got a reputation for being a film junkie and tireless worker, as well as a nasty blocker on the outside. Sounds like the type of player who appeals to Bill Belichick, and he fills a need for a bigger weapon for Tom Brady.

31. Pittsburgh Steelers: Austin Bryant, DE, Clemson. The rich get richer as the Steelers add another formidable all-around talent to the defensive front in Bryant. His physicality and high motor while playing with talent all around him make him a safe pick, too.

32. Philadelphia Eagles: Rashaan Evans, LB, Alabama. The latest in a string of physical and smart off-ball LBs for Alabama, Evans has better range and fluidity in space than most of his predecessors. He’s a Jim Schwartz kind of OLB if the Eagles can keep their defensive coordinator locked up.


If I am using this list as the main board for the Draft I am not drafting Rosen at 1, I am drafting Minkah at one, trading down from 8 to get Mayfield and trading up to get Sutton. We would still have the ability to draft three in the 2nd round to draft an RB like Chubb/Guice, another WR like Cobbs and then BPA between CB and RB.

A) Rosen, Barkley, plus 3 Second round players (2 WRs and a DB)

B) Minkah, Mayfield, Sutton, 3 second rounders (1 RB, 1 WR and 1 BPA)

I am going option B any day of the week.
 
Still remember when we dismantled the also tanking 49ers at home which lost us Goff

I said it was one of the worst days for the Browns in many years. Many people called me over dramatic and assured me no one would trade up for Goff. AZ being one of them

Welp...turns out it really was one of the worst days in a long long time for the Browns
Well remember the Titans originally had #1 (the great Marcus Mariota led them to it). I don't recall any talk of anyone trading for the pick the Rams did seemingly out of nowhere. Then AZ and some others tried to say they did it to take Wentz, not Goff.
 
Rosen and Barkley is objectively a franchise changing first round. A team with nothing worth watching on offense suddenly oozing potential in a balanced run and pass attack. Fitzpatrick is a horse and Sutton is my favorite receiving threat in the draft, but Rosen and Barkley behind that offensive line would rival the Cowboys 2016 draft.
 
Rosen and Barkley is objectively a franchise changing first round. A team with nothing worth watching on offense suddenly oozing potential in a balanced run and pass attack. Fitzpatrick is a horse and Sutton is my favorite receiving threat in the draft, but Rosen and Barkley behind that offensive line would rival the Cowboys 2016 draft.

With the fact Sutton could be available at 30, we have the assests to get up and get him as well. I am actually not afraid to swap next years first and 33 to get back into this year’s draft and get 4 first rounders either. So let’s see how this goes since this FO I think will go all in next season.
 
It depends on how he tests but I really don't see Sutton dropping to 30.
 

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