His rebound numbers on the other hand...look out, lol.
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2018 NBA Draft - June 21
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His rebound numbers on the other hand...look out, lol.
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I hate the fact that I don't want to take Doncic because I love his game so much and he looks like a stud.
Honestly, I would almost feel better if the Bulls picked 1 and the Cavs picked 2 or 3. Let them take Doncic and we get Porter of Bagley.
But the only worry is...when it comes down to it is any NBA team really going to pass up the ultra athletic Porter/Bagley type for Doncic, stats be damned?
I dunno. If Porter looks good this yet I'm pretty keyed in on him. Bagley is a close second but I think he'd really have to look athletically and mentally dominant (could happen) for me to be willing to pass on the super-athletic 6'10 wing with a handle, a and a smooth jumper off the dribble.
I wish Bagley played anywhere but Duke. Maybe my Duke bias is clouding me on him. Who knows. Lol. They provided such a pure douche human being in Kyrie Irving...I dunno I am not the biggest coach K guy.
Honestly, I would almost feel better if the Bulls picked 1 and the Cavs picked 2 or 3. Let them take Doncic and we get Porter of Bagley.
But the only worry is...when it comes down to it is any NBA team really going to pass up the ultra athletic Porter/Bagley type for Doncic, stats be damned?
I dunno. If Porter looks good this yet I'm pretty keyed in on him. Bagley is a close second but I think he'd really have to look athletically and mentally dominant (could happen) for me to be willing to pass on the super-athletic 6'10 wing with a handle, a and a smooth jumper off the dribble.
I wish Bagley played anywhere but Duke. Maybe my Duke bias is clouding me on him. Who knows. Lol. They provided such a pure douche human being in Kyrie Irving...I dunno I am not the biggest coach K guy.
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So I reserve my final take until I get to see them play a bunch, but I think Bagley could be an absolutely transcendent player in transition. He seems like the prototypical 5 man in today's game if his shot develops, since he's absolutely mobile and athletic enough to switch 1-5 and a constant threat to grab the ball and go on the fast break. While Porter may have the scoring skills of a guard, watching vids of Bagley makes me think he moves more like a guard than any big we've seen in a long time. That said, we really don't know how developed his skills are when he can't out-athletic everyone else on the court.
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Dukes are busts man, it's scary af.
Ingram, Parker, Ball, Rivers, Singler... then you have Sheldan Williams. Duke players scare me.
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I agree. Don't forget Jahlil Okafor.
Kyrie ended up being great but he was one of the surest things I ever remember seeing and he only played like 13 games at Duke. Got hurt, came back and dropped 30 in the tourney loss while freezing out the rest of his team(they weren't that good though)and getting shredded defensively(some things never change) while Derrick Williams killed his big men all night so badly that I was worried Dan would panic draft him at #1
Realistically, Kyrie could have probably came straight from HS and won ROY with 20/5.
Bagley to his credit is probably a better prospect than all those guys, maybe even Kyrie, and is at least physically in a completely different league. So he should be fine. I worry that he won't be properly used in Dukes system and therefore evaluating him might prove a bit difficult.
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Okafor ofcourse.
Why did he have to go to Duke for crying out loud? They also have a tendency make worse players look better than they really are, while at the same time marginalizing better players according to their needs.
Duke players are unscoutable and have a high bust rate because of that bs.
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That will definitely effect his scoring volume. Things ill be looking at:
Rebounds per 100, blocks per 100, steals per 100 and scoring efficiency. Those things shouldn't be effected by a smaller role.
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It can be looked as a positive actually if he assumes a smaller role, because if Lebron stays then that's the role that's going to be projected for him atleast in his 1st year. If he finds ways to be highly efficient and effective judging by raw stats and advanced numbers then it's a pretty good info to rely on.
Also, smaller role means he is going to focus more on defense, which again is something that is going to be great for our team.
Also, smaller role means he is going to focus more on defense, which again is something that is going to be great for our team.
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Each player is evaluated on his own merit.
This used to be the view of spread QB's and then guys like Brees, Rodgers, etc. emerged.
Going to Duke doesn't exclude you from being a good NBA player.
If you look at modern examples....guys taken in the top 5, the Duke track record isn't THAT bad.
92: Christian Laettner (long NBA career)
94: Grant Hill (Star)
99: Elton Brand (long NBA career)
02: Mike Dunleavy (long NBA career)
02: Jayson Williams (Injured)
06: Shelden Williams (Bust)
11: Kyrie Irving (Star)
14: Jabari Parker (Injured)
15: Okafor (Verging on Bust)
16: Ingram (TBD)
Most have had good NBA careers IMO. Hill and Irving are the stars (20%)...but Brand, Laettner, Dunleavy all had good NBA careers........does a school really have a better percentage than that (20% star rate?) If yes, I can't think of one.
I'd also consider that many of these players were pre 1-and-done at Duke. So while they were great college players, Coach K wasn't necessarily picking guys who had immediate NBA talent, he was looking to find guys like Laettner, who would be great college players who STAYED for multiple years, making it easier to sustain that coaching success.
Starting with Kyrie, that's when you should be judging guys IMO. So out of 4 top 5 picks, Irving is a star, Parker could be one if he could ever stay healthy (doubtful), Okafor is meh and the jury is at least still out on Ingram.
Again, in the world of scouting, a 25% hit rate on a star isn't awful. I don't love Duke players but the only true dud out of that group was Williams.
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I don't think he's stiff, I think he's just maturing athletically. It's pretty tough to be that big already at 16 / 17 / 18 years old.
Porter has really started to catch up with his body though and he was noticeably smoother as an athlete the last 12 months.
I think Porter will exit college with a lot of the knocks Durant had (sketchy handle, seems too laid back, will go through stretches where he drifts a little and doesn't demand the ball) but he has the unteachable trio of length, athleticism and shooting stroke.
Barnes doesn't seem like an apt comparison to me because he never reached his potential as a shooter. I think Porter will be far more refined, with more size and an attainable ceiling. If Barnes were a better shooter, he'd have an easier time creating. Teams will have to respect Porter's jumpshot far more, which should he mask some of his deficiencies at creating off the dribble.
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This is so ridiculous. Three potential generational freak level athlete bigs in the same draft.
View: https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/921563168211533824
View: https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/921563168211533824
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Let’s not forget the LAC lottery position when we got KI...
Watching Giannis last night, despite what don Luka is doing, Porter if his head and foot work are elite, I want him. I watched some workout videos of Porter and he just is unbothered by defense. Now if he is able to defend and create some offense for others, this is where I will ask you for help... Will he do that?
Watching Giannis last night, despite what don Luka is doing, Porter if his head and foot work are elite, I want him. I watched some workout videos of Porter and he just is unbothered by defense. Now if he is able to defend and create some offense for others, this is where I will ask you for help... Will he do that?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=470&v=7JQdFlcy9vo
His defense is meh, but offensively he looks like a beast.
As for Porter, he isn't really comparable to Giannis imo. He isn't going to score and attack like Giannis.
His defense is meh, but offensively he looks like a beast.
As for Porter, he isn't really comparable to Giannis imo. He isn't going to score and attack like Giannis.
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Guys that size shouldn't be able to get off the floor as quickly as he does, he'll be a beast on the O-boards from day 1. Just to show how stacked the top of this draft class is, Ayton could easily cement himself as the #1 overall prospect of the last several drafts combined if his skillset is as large as people think it is and he just plays with intensity every night. And that's coming from the consensus #4 prospect in this draft right now!
Sean Miller even made a comment in the last few days about how the gap between Markkonen's shooting and Ayton's "isn't as large as people think." Just ridiculous upside.