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2018 NBA Draft - June 21

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Glad I figured out how to cut out a specific play from those highlight videos. Will have to do that more.


Our guy Frankie Vision needs to upload these Ayton highlights from yesterday lol.

Heard he struggled with weakside defensive rotation again though, which the highlights probably won't show.
 
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If this kid enters the draft, I think he could go in the lottery. I'd put him ahead of Duval at this point. Just has the qualities that I want out of my PG, unlike Duval. I don't take this lightly in saying, but his offensive game is very similar to Stephen Curry for the High School level. I doubt he ever gets near Curry's ability of finishing at the rim, but the quick release shot + ball handling is phenomenal.

He's gunna need a couple years though, and may never be a positive/neutral defender. but I think his offensive upside is extremely extremely high.



Also I mentioned Kostas Antetokounmpo a few days ago, but DraftExpress put up scouting videos on him just now too.
 
Also, DX updated their top 100 finally.

1. Doncic
2. Bagley
3. Ayton
4. Bamba
5. Porter Jr

is the new top 5. Kevin Knox up to 10th from 14th. Jaren Jackson to 9th, I believe he was higher previously but may be wrong.

Just realized after my post about Simons that they added him in here too, at #19 just ahead of Diallo.
 
If this kid enters the draft, I think he could go in the lottery. I'd put him ahead of Duval at this point. Just has the qualities that I want out of my PG, unlike Duval. I don't take this lightly in saying, but his offensive game is very similar to Stephen Curry for the High School level. I doubt he ever gets near Curry's ability of finishing at the rim, but the quick release shot + ball handling is phenomenal.

He's gunna need a couple years though, and may never be a positive/neutral defender. but I think his offensive upside is extremely extremely high.



Also I mentioned Kostas Antetokounmpo a few days ago, but DraftExpress put up scouting videos on him just now too.
What's his deal? I read a story but couldn' figure our what he was doing? Was he a prep player who is not going to spend a year in college?
 
What's his deal? I read a story but couldn' figure our what he was doing? Was he a prep player who is not going to spend a year in college?

Rule is to be eligible for the draft, must be a year out of HS. So most guys go play in college. Recently some have played overseas for a paycheck. However, he has gone to IMG Academy, a post-graduate high school type of thing. Thon Maker took the same route 2 years ago and was deemed eligible for the draft.
 
Ayton didn't block a shot in his last two games, and hasn't blocked one yet tonight. Is he really that underwhelming on defense?
 
Ayton or Bagley would be great on a team just starting out rebuilding. If Lebron leaves, they would be very very fine type of pick. If Lebron comes back, then it is Bamba, Bridges or Doncic depending on where the Cavs are at.
 
Ayton didn't block a shot in his last two games, and hasn't blocked one yet tonight. Is he really that underwhelming on defense?

Blocked shots does not equal good defense.

But I'm guessing he is like most bigs who started playing basketball at a late age. Low basketball awareness who has relied on their size most of their playing career.

He needs to get coached up, always been that way.
 
If the Cavs decide to go wing or guard with the Nets pick, Mitchell Robinson could be an interesting option with their own pick (should they still have it). He's the kid that was supposed to go to WKU, but left and decided to prep all year for the draft.
 
Blocked shots does not equal good defense.

But I'm guessing he is like most bigs who started playing basketball at a late age. Low basketball awareness who has relied on their size most of their playing career.

He needs to get coached up, always been that way.

I'm aware, and to his credit I guess he did finish the game with a couple blocks. Just stands in stark contrast to Bamba, who appears to have transformed his team's defense overnight.
 
If Mo keeps this defensive dominance and the other top picks keep showing their flaws then i'm not sure he is there where we pick.

Rebuild with Bamba without Lebron is questionable, but Bamba with Lebron is probably going to tip the scales. It's so rare to see a player so dominant on the defensive end.

The Gobert comparisons are premature, because they are not a like other than the physical similarities. Gobert can't defend in space, Bamba can and does it pretty damn well. Bamba is more mobile and can cover more ground aswell. He is weaker and that's going to take some time, but i'm ecstatic about him.

As for Ayton, well, if Embiid can barely pull a positive impact on the offensive end, what makes you think Ayton is going to be able to do that ? Embiid is bigger and stronger, can shoot the the ball better from every range, better finisher and yet the advanced stats don't favour him still at the side of the ball even when he puts crazy raw stats every game.

League has changed, and if Ayton doesn't look like a much better defender later on, then it's a hard pass for me. No matter how physically dominant he is, he is just not going to have a great impact offensively as much as you would think. His shot looks good on paper, but it's a work in progress and he favours it way too much. Even in an interview, he said he sees himself as a 4 that plays from the outside. He doesn't want to view himself as this physical 5 that bullies his way inside and that's a problem.

His elevation after a gather off of 2 legs is pretty bad for a guy with his athletic prowess. It's slow and unexplosive and his separation is pretty bad against College bigs. Had trouble finishing his shots after a gather and he got questionable foul calls in his favor.
I would expect a guy his size to dunk after a gather against college bigs so that's disappointing.

On defense he just has no defensive awareness. His off-ball defense is nonexistant and he doesn't defend outside of his zone. Even his rebounding is limited to his zone... he allows offensive rebounds mainly because he is out of position and he doesn't cover enough ground to offset that. He is an elite rebounder, but that doesn't translate to good reb% for the team in that case.

All in all, i'd pick Mo over Ayton without thinking twice. Just doesn't look like he understands the game yet and his love for the game is questionable.

If there isn't a big talent gap between two players, i'd go with the high IQ, high character guy that has an absurd ceiling every damn time on a team and city like the Cleveland. Ayton looks immature and if things don't go his way, watch out.
 
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Glad I figured out how to cut out a specific play from those highlight videos. Will have to do that more.


Our guy Frankie Vision needs to upload these Ayton highlights from yesterday lol.

Heard he struggled with weakside defensive rotation again though, which the highlights probably won't show.

Man, his shot has been really really rough. It doesn't look like there are glaring faults in his mechanics as well, he just has no idea where it's going. There's so much to like about his game, but I'm not sure you can take him over Doncic and the two centers if he's that far away from being a threat outside of 10 feet.

On the other hand, I'm amazed every time I see Bamba's shooting form. It's way better than a 7 footer with a 7'9" wingspan has a right to be and I'm pretty confident he can extend his range out to the NBA 3 given enough time and practice reps.

View: https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/933868136897458176


Also, can someone post this?

View: https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/933879902255714304
 
Man, his shot has been really really rough. It doesn't look like there are glaring faults in his mechanics as well, he just has no idea where it's going. There's so much to like about his game, but I'm not sure you can take him over Doncic and the two centers if he's that far away from being a threat outside of 10 feet.

On the other hand, I'm amazed every time I see Bamba's shooting form. It's way better than a 7 footer with a 7'9" wingspan has a right to be and I'm pretty confident he can extend his range out to the NBA 3 given enough time and practice reps.

View: https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/933868136897458176


Also, can someone post this?

View: https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/933879902255714304

1. The unicorn centers

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The case could easily be made that Deandre Ayton and Mohamed Bamba are the two most intriguing long-term prospects in the 2018 draft, given their tremendous physical profiles and developing modern skills. Like Karl-Anthony Towns, Joel Embiid and Kristaps Porzingis before them, Ayton and Bamba have unicorn potential.

Deandre Ayton | Arizona

Physical comparison: Greg Oden, Steven Adams, Brook Lopez

At 7-foot-½, with a shredded, proportionate, 261-pound frame and a 7-foot-5 wingspan, Ayton has some physical similarities to a healthy 19-year-old Greg Oden. Although different athletically, his measurements are also similar to those of Steven Adams and Brook Lopez.

Main intrigue: Franchise center potential

Ayton is the most physically dominant prospect in the class, and his ability to add value across the board makes him a potential franchise-caliber center. Although all of this hinges on his discipline (addressed below), there aren't many 7-footers in the NBA who are physically capable of guarding DeMarcus Cousins on one possession and Anthony Davis the next. He fits in the switch-heavy NBA on defense while showing the potential to pop to 3 on the other end.

He's a tremendous face-up player and a developing passer, and he has the length and explosiveness to space the floor vertically as a lob-catcher. When motivated, Ayton should also be the best rebounder on the floor most nights. Simply put, prospects with Ayton's physical dominance and budding skill don't come around often.

Swing skill: Discipline

Ayton will have to prove to NBA scouts that he can remain disciplined on both ends of the floor under head coach Sean Miller while channeling his outward emotions in a positive manner. Although he isn't overly mopey or sluggish, he often spends too much time floating on the perimeter, settling for flat jumpers and failing to screen, dive or crash when given the opportunity. His discipline also wavers as a rim protector, as he'll opt to leak out in transition rather than anchor the defense.

Those warts will be tested under the defensively focused Miller on a team with Final Four expectations, and if he passes, he figures to garner considerable interest as a potential top pick.

Mohamed Bamba | Texas

Physical comparisons: Rudy Gobert, Hassan Whiteside, Alexis Ajinca

At 7-foot with a 7-foot-9 wingspan and a 9-foot-6 standing reach, Bamba's closest physical comparison is Rudy Gobert. More fluid than Gobert at the same age, Bamba has quite a bit of untapped physical potential. With wide shoulders and long, thin legs, he's likely to fill out impressively in time and gain even more explosiveness as he strengthens his base.

Main intrigue: Franchise center potential

Like Ayton, Bamba has franchise-changing tools and skills, yet he's in a bit of a different mold. Still growing into his frame, Bamba has the defensive range to eventually develop into one of the better rim protectors in the NBA. With impressive fluidity and one of the longest wingspans in the history of the DraftExpress Database, Bamba is what the NBA wants defensively, with his ability to switch and anchor. Bamba's tremendous reach and agility also give him immense potential on the glass.

On top of his Gobert-like defensive potential, Bamba can step out and shoot the ball from college 3, put it down on the dribble and pass with a sound feel for the game. He isn't as demonstrative a personality as Ayton, and the Texas freshman -- who has attended the Sloan Sports Analytics Conference at MIT twice -- is much more calculated in his approach. Like Ayton, Bamba figures to be in the mix at No. 1, as he possesses more physical upside than any other player in the draft.

Swing skill: Consistent energy

Playing hard consistently was the biggest question surrounding Bamba at the prep level, and he'll need to answer that night in and night out for NBA teams to feel comfortable drafting him early. Too often apathetic on the floor, Bamba can ease scouts' concerns by playing with more fire than he has shown in the past while having a regular impact on winning. Besides his motor and lack of physicality at times, there aren't many holes in Bamba's overall scouting file.
 
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2. The smooth power forwards
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Although different players in terms of skill set, both Michael Porter Jr. and Marvin Bagley III are fluid, 6-foot-10-plus athletes who figure to spend most of their NBA minutes at the 4. The two will likely always be linked, given their status as the No. 1 and No. 2 players in the 2017 high school class.

Marvin Bagley III | Duke

Physical comparisons: Ben Simmons, taller Marquese Chriss

Although not quite as wide-shouldered and a different style of athlete, Bagley has some physical similarities to Sixers rookie Ben Simmons, who measured 6-10, 240 pounds with a 7-0 wingspan as a 19-year-old. Simmons has bigger hands and a taller reach, but in terms of height, weight and wingspan the two aren't all that far off. At 6-foot-10½ with a 7-foot-½ wingspan, Bagley has nice size, average positional length and a solid yet slender frame for a PF/C. The last measurements we have on the 18-year-old Duke freshman are from the 2016 Nike Academy when Bagley was 17, and the Blue Devils now list him at 6-11, 234 pounds,

Main intrigue: Versatility

An effortless athlete, Bagley's ability to impact the game in a variety of ways at 6-foot-10½ is what makes him so intriguing. He moves like a wing, explodes off the floor with ease and has excellent instincts as a scorer, rebounder and shot blocker. He's smooth pushing in transition, he can straight-line drive going left from different spots on the floor, and he finishes with jump hooks and touch shots in the paint. Although he can improve as a passer and shooter, he has shown enough promise in those areas to spark optimism moving forward.

Defensively, Bagley has the feet and hips to guard multiple positions, and the quick leaping ability to add some value as a rim protector when at the small-ball 5. He gravitates to rebounds on both ends and has the quickness and agility you don't often see from a player his size. We're still learning more about Bagley, but his athletic profile and versatility make him an interesting fit in the modern NBA.

Swing skill: Shooting and physicality

Because he isn't freakishly long or physical, developing into a respectable spot-up 3-point shooter will be the key to unlocking Bagley's offensive game. He can make a standstill 3 with sound mechanics at this stage but has never been a prolific shooter, and he'll be hard-pressed to serve as a go-to scorer without a reliable jumper. If Bagley can make enough shots to force defenders into hard closeouts, he can use his fluidity and handle to attack off the bounce. Bagley can also stand to play with more physicality and vigor on occasion. The game comes so easily to him that it looks like he's floating at times, but he has improved in that area over the years.

Michael Porter Jr. | Missouri

Physical comparisons: Kyle Kuzma, Jared Jeffries

Porter has excellent size and reach for a perimeter-oriented, modern 4 at 6-10 with a 9-0 standing reach. While thin in the lower body (weighing 216 pounds), Porter's upper body should fill out nicely in time. The 19-year-old has average length relative to his height with a 7-0 wingspan but makes up for it with his extension and leaping ability. While further ahead at the same stage, Porter has similar dimensions to a 21-year-old Kyle Kuzma, who bloomed late and measured 6-9½, 223 pounds with a 7-0 wingspan and a 8-11½ standing reach at the 2017 combine.

Main intrigue: Scoring ability at 6-foot-10

Porter's scoring versatility at 6-foot-10 makes him a great fit in today's NBA. He can space the floor to 3 with soft touch, attack a closeout in space, rise up over smaller defenders in midpost spots and even catch lobs as a roller when motivated. He's a very good athlete who, like Bagley, can push the break and finish above the rim explosively. Although he doesn't always play the most efficient game, Porter's ability to get to his jump shot at will gives him potential as a three-level scorer.

In addition to averaging 33.2 points per 40 minutes over 49 games in the DraftExpress Database, Porter has potential on the glass and as a defender given his tools. He was an excellent rebounder at the EYBL level and should be able to switch onto guards comfortably. He's arguably the most offensively gifted and accomplished prep player in the draft.

Swing skill: Toughness and feel

Porter's ability to play in traffic and think the game on the move remain two of the biggest questions about the Missouri star. He's best suited at the 4 offensively but has had his ups and downs defending stronger players and rebounding in traffic in the past. Porter, who plays the game a bit too tall, also gets knocked off-balance on his way to the rim quite often. Improving his ability to punish switches, finish drives, rebound in a crowd and defend stronger bigs would certainly make scouts more comfortable with him as a potential No. 1 overall pick. Often settling for off-balance jump shots, Porter can sharpen his decision-making by becoming a more instinctual passer and shot-taker in the half court.

3. The lob-catching shot-blocker
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Robert Williams | Texas A&M

Williams is arguably the most explosive athlete of the bunch and the most likely to make an impact as a rim runner, finisher and shot-blocker.

Physical comparisons: Bismack Biyombo

If the measurements provided to us by Texas A&M's coaching staff are accurate, Williams has elite physical tools for an NBA center at 6-foot-10, 240 pounds with a 7-foot-5½ wingspan and a 9-foot-4 standing reach. In 2015 as a 17-year-old, Williams measured 6-foot-8½, 208 pounds with a 7-foot-4 wingspan. Watching him this summer at Adidas Nations, it was clear that he has made strides physically even since last season, so it isn't out of the question that he could compare favorably to a physical specimen such as Biyombo.

Main intrigue: Rim protection and lob-catching

Williams' initial NBA value will come as a rim protector and lob-catcher. He can switch ball screens, he covers ground fluidly, and he's incredibly quick off of his feet. Among returning players in the DraftExpress Top 100, Williams finished second in blocks per 40 minutes with 3.8. Offensively, he's at his best when he's diving hard and finishing lobs thanks to his massive catch radius.

According to Synergy Sports, Williams scored 1.44 points per possession at the rim in the half court last season, 30th in the NCAA among players with at least 125 attempts, ahead of 2017 first-rounders John Collins and Jarrett Allen. Williams is an excellent offensive rebounder who could turn into an elite glass-cleaner on both ends with improved discipline.

Swing Skill: Discipline

A late-bloomer, Williams lacks a degree of discipline offensively and defensively. He can be erratic in his decision-making, trying to prove he's a skill big rather than sticking to his strengths as a long, energetic athlete. Williams has made great strides as a passer, which will serve him well in short roll situations, but he is no stranger to risky deliveries or contested jump shots early in the clock. He finished in the bottom 25 in the NCAA in jump shot efficiency last season, with an effective field goal percentage of 21.3 on 47 attempts. His tools are tremendous, but he's a bit jumpy defensively and can do a better job of finding a man on the defensive glass.

4. The throwback
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Wendell Carter Jr. | Duke

Carter Jr. is the old-school big of the group, doing most of his damage from inside 15 feet and on the offensive glass.

Physical comparisons: Carlos Boozer, Emeka Okafor, Al Jefferson

At 6-foot-10 in shoes with a developed 257-pound frame and a 7-foot-3 wingspan, Carter has some physical similarities to a 21-year-old Emeka Okafor, though not quite as long.

Main intrigue: Interior scoring and rebounding

Carter is the most polished interior scorer of the bunch. He has soft hands and is at his best operating with his back to the basket or in midpost face-up situations, usually looking for a right-shoulder fallaway. He carves out space with his 257-pound frame, dropping in jump hooks with either hand. Carter, who considered attending Harvard, is a smart passer out of the post who can also pick and pop to midrange comfortably. He also adds tremendous value on the glass when fully motivated, using his strength, length and deceptive athleticism to beat opponents to the ball, especially on the offensive end. Based on the 61-game sample in the DraftExpress Database, Carter averaged an impressive 15.8 rebounds per 40 minutes.

Swing skill: 3-point shooting and consistency

Because he doesn't project as a regular lob-catcher and post scoring is taking a back seat in the NBA, becoming a more consistent threat from 3 will be important for Carter. Like Al Horford has done, Carter should be able to develop into an NBA 3-point shooter in time as he possesses nice touch and mechanics in midrange spots. Becoming more consistent with his energy is also a priority for Carter. Not a vocal defender, Carter has his peaks and valleys in terms of engagement, looking uninterested at times. He's long with sound shot-blocking instincts and deceptive quickness for his size but doesn't have the elite range to coast on that end of the floor and remain effective.
 

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