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2018 NBA Draft - June 21

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Decided to look at Trae Young's 43 point game vs Oregon today closer and see what he did good/bad (offense only).

Starting out with the good. The first thing that will stick out to you if you watch him is his 3 point shooting range. Super quick release. Catches guys off guard right in front of him constantly.

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The other aspect of his game that sets him apart is his passing ability. We will see if the number hold up, but so far his AST/TO rate of about 2.57 is solid, especially given his usage on this team. More importantly, he seems to be able to pass over the top of bigs without much trouble right now. None of his TO's in this game were by poor passes.

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Where he thrives the most is in transition. Despite his size, he can put some serious speed on his passes. Once he gets downhill in the open court, he routinely collapses the defenses and finds the open teammate. A guy his size isn't supposed to make this pass:

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Once downhill, knows where to dribble to in order to collapse the defense. Makes the right play.

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Note that all of these are off of dead-ball situations, not even considered to really be "transition", yet is still able to kill defenses.

He is very good at reading the defense while on the move, a skill many players struggle with. Threads the needle here to a moving target.

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So often you see him put a little extra zip on passes before defenses can react. Have to point out again that his turnovers in this game did not come off of passes.


Once he's downhill, he's able to create for himself too with an at least decent handle. He should be able to score when necessary in transition or in odd-man situations.

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A slight change in speeds off a miss on the other end creates a scoring opportunity and forces his defender to foul.

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Showed the ability to change directions in transition as well to get to the rim.

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Now onto the bad. Trae Young has one primary weakness, and it's huge. He has an extremely slow first step.

If he's not able to beat college bigs off the dribble, he's really going to struggle attacking in the NBA. Here he gets switched onto a big, gets cut off easily.

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Again, a big switches onto him and only gets halfway to the rim before just trying to flop for a foul call.

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Here he has a big all the way out completely above the 3 point line, and just barely gets enough space to the rim before getting the bail out foul.

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Unfortunately, you can't simply develop a quick first step over time... he's never going to have it. However, this play is one in which gives you hope that he can develop a handle good enough to compensate for the lack of quickness, as he again couldn't beat his man off the dribble but this time is able to get to an open look.

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Two things that I didn't mention or have clips of... His 3 point range is certainly one of the best in college right now, but his shot selection is very questionable. However, he's shooting 39.4% from three right now, so if that # holds up, then who am I to question those shots. Secondly, he shot 18 FTs. MANY of these were away from the ball, part of the game flow late.


There are a few things that I will be interested in at the end of the season:
1. AST/TO rate
2. Finishing at the rim
3. Floater shooting %

Mentioned the assist to turnover rate earlier. We will see if he keeps it up. I've liked what I've seen so far, but you just never know with smaller PGs with how well they can see teammates. Finishing at the rim is always huge for smaller guards as well. Without that, they've got no shot at the NBA. Lastly, a floater game is also needed. With the spaced floor in the NBA, if he's able to get into the paint he's going to have no chance finishing 1 on 1 at the rim against the likes of Gobert, Deandre Jordan, etc. By my count he was 2 for 4 on floaters in this game.

After this game I've seen people bringing up Steph Curry similarities on twitter. To me, he's actually got a similar transition to the NBA as Lonzo Ball on the offensive end. Lonzo is struggling with that right now. What I mean by this is that he's going to struggle some to score in the halfcourt setting. He's phenomenal in transition - just like Lonzo.

Also, Lonzo made it routine to take/make 3's well beyond the 3 point line in the NCAA. Naturally, defenders are not used to guarding guys that far out, and Lonzo would get these open, yet super deep 3's to fall 2-3 times a game. Trae Young is in the same circumstance. Those roughly 2-3 open shots won't be there in the NBA with the difference in 3 point line. Another downside to this comparison is that Lonzo is big enough to play off the ball in the half court. Young likely won't have that luxury, as there's only a handful of NBA teams with a solid creator off the bench that is a 2 guard or wing.

All and all if those 3 numbers above check out, I think he's worth a pick in the late first, early second at least right now. I just wouldn't be drafting him with the expectation he will be much more than a good backup or change of pace type of PG.

Lastly I saved this last one play that to me is the full Trae Young offensive experience. Fails to beat his big off the dribble, finds an open area, his an impossible fall away three.

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Final line:
11-22 FG, 4-11 3PT, 17-18 FT
43 PTS, 4 REB, 7 AST, 2 STL, 4 TO
 
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Jeez that post is long as shit. Sorry for those who don't care about Trae Young at all.

As the year goes on I may look at individual games really closely (especially during March Madness hopefully) and look at what the player does well/poorly.

It takes a good amount of time cutting up the highlight video into GIFs, but if people want to see more of that I can do it more.
 
Decided to look at Trae Young's 43 point game vs Oregon today closer and see what he did good/bad (offense only).

Starting out with the good. The first thing that will stick out to you if you watch him is his 3 point shooting range. Super quick release. Catches guys off guard right in front of him constantly.

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The other aspect of his game that sets him apart is his passing ability. We will see if the number hold up, but so far his AST/TO rate of about 2.57 is solid, especially given his usage on this team. More importantly, he seems to be able to pass over the top of bigs without much trouble right now. None of his TO's in this game were by poor passes.

giphy.gif


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Where he thrives the most is in transition. Despite his size, he can put some serious speed on his passes. Once he gets downhill in the open court, he routinely collapses the defenses and finds the open teammate. A guy his size isn't supposed to make this pass:

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Once downhill, knows where to dribble to in order to collapse the defense. Makes the right play.

giphy.gif


Note that all of these are off of dead-ball situations, not even considered to really be "transition", yet is still able to kill defenses.

He is very good at reading the defense while on the move, a skill many players struggle with. Threads the needle here to a moving target.

giphy.gif


So often you see him put a little extra zip on passes before defenses can react. Have to point out again that his turnovers in this game did not come off of passes.


Once he's downhill, he's able to create for himself too with an at least decent handle. He should be able to score when necessary in transition or in odd-man situations.

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A slight change in speeds off a miss on the other end creates a scoring opportunity and forces his defender to foul.

giphy.gif


Showed the ability to change directions in transition as well to get to the rim.

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Now onto the bad. Trae Young has one primary weakness, and it's huge. He has an extremely slow first step.

If he's not able to beat college bigs off the dribble, he's really going to struggle attacking in the NBA. Here he gets switched onto a big, gets cut off easily.

giphy.gif


Again, a big switches onto him and only gets halfway to the rim before just trying to flop for a foul call.

giphy.gif


Here he has a big all the way out completely above the 3 point line, and just barely gets enough space to the rim before getting the bail out foul.

giphy.gif


Unfortunately, you can't simply develop a quick first step over time... he's never going to have it. However, this play is one in which gives you hope that he can develop a handle good enough to compensate for the lack of quickness, as he again couldn't beat his man off the dribble but this time is able to get to an open look.

giphy.gif


Two things that I didn't mention or have clips of... His 3 point range is certainly one of the best in college right now, but his shot selection is very questionable. However, he's shooting 39.4% from three right now, so if that # holds up, then who am I to question those shots. Secondly, he shot 18 FTs. MANY of these were away from the ball, part of the game flow late.


There are a few things that I will be interested in at the end of the season:
1. AST/TO rate
2. Finishing at the rim
3. Floater shooting %

Mentioned the assist to turnover rate earlier. We will see if he keeps it up. I've liked what I've seen so far, but you just never know with smaller PGs with how well they can see teammates. Finishing at the rim is always huge for smaller guards as well. Without that, they've got no shot at the NBA. Lastly, a floater game is also needed. With the spaced floor in the NBA, if he's able to get into the paint he's going to have no chance finishing 1 on 1 at the rim against the likes of Gobert, Deandre Jordan, etc. By my count he was 2 for 4 on floaters in this game.

After this game I've seen people bringing up Steph Curry similarities on twitter. To me, he's actually got a similar transition to the NBA as Lonzo Ball on the offensive end. Lonzo is struggling with that right now. What I mean by this is that he's going to struggle some to score in the halfcourt setting. He's phenomenal in transition - just like Lonzo.

Also, Lonzo made it routine to take/make 3's well beyond the 3 point line in the NCAA. Naturally, defenders are not used to guarding guys that far out, and Lonzo would get these open, yet super deep 3's to fall 2-3 times a game. Trae Young is in the same circumstance. Those roughly 2-3 open shots won't be there in the NBA with the difference in 3 point line. Another downside to this comparison is that Lonzo is big enough to play off the ball in the half court. Young likely won't have that luxury, as there's only a handful of NBA teams with a solid creator off the bench that is a 2 guard or wing.

All and all if those 3 numbers above check out, I think he's worth a pick in the late first, early second at least right now. I just wouldn't be drafting him with the expectation he will be much more than a good backup or change of pace type of PG.

Lastly I saved this last one play that to me is the full Trae Young offensive experience. Fails to beat his big off the dribble, finds an open area, his an impossible fall away three.

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Final line:
11-22 FG, 4-11 3PT, 17-18 FT
43 PTS, 4 REB, 7 AST, 2 STL, 4 TO
Great stuff man, keep em coming. Full disclosure, I haven't watched a minute of Trae Young this year. That said, how does he compare to a guy like Trey Burke, who had a lot of skills and was very well rounded in college? The problem with Burke was that he was slower, weaker and smaller than everyone else on the court and he couldn't get any easy shots in the pros. I mean, he struggled to get the ball up the court versus pressure.

Any prospect with the physique of Young is usually a hard pass for me even before I watch him play. It's just such a long shot that they turn into good players.
 
Great stuff man, keep em coming. Full disclosure, I haven't watched a minute of Trae Young this year. That said, how does he compare to a guy like Trey Burke, who had a lot of skills and was very well rounded in college? The problem with Burke was that he was slower, weaker and smaller than everyone else on the court and he couldn't get any easy shots in the pros. I mean, he struggled to get the ball up the court versus pressure.

Any prospect with the physique of Young is usually a hard pass for me even before I watch him play. It's just such a long shot that they turn into good players.

Thanks. Yeah, I didn't think that a lot of people knew much about Young yet, and I was interested in learning more on him as well.

That's an interesting comp. I think Burke was much more shifty with his dribble, and his ball handling is what got him through defenders. That with his shooting is what made him such a great prospect... he could score in so many ways in college. Young's ball handling is not at that level yet. Neither has a good first step, but Young looks much quicker once he's downhill.

I think what made Burke bust was his shooting didn't translate to the NBA line. That + lack of quickness = bust. I'm not a shooting coach or anything close to it, but Young's release does look much quicker than Burke's did in college, and pretty effortless. I do remember Trey Burke hitting the super deep threes like Young has been taking, but I do think Young's shooting will translate to the NBA. Definitely a lot of similarities there though.
 
Just as a side note. Despite looking small, he does look 6'2 if Kyrie is 6'3.


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and an even better picture

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It'll be interesting to see if Young's crazy assist numbers stay in the neighborhood of 8-9 per game. That's pretty much unheard of for a freshman. I'm no expert, but it seems like high-velocity passing is really hard to teach, and guys who naturally pass that way have a big advantage that gets bigger when you go to the NBA level.
 
Last thing on Trae Young

DX posted a recap on the PK80. Here's what they had to say about Trae Young:

Young has the keys to the Sooners offense and has looked every bit of a potential first-round pick this season, despite questions about his defense, reliance on tough pull-ups and still improving finishing at the rim. For a freshman to average more than 30 points and 10 assists per 40 minutes through his first five games is fairly unheard of, and Young will have the freedom to continue producing at a high level as the sole source of Oklahoma's offense.

Can Young sustain his efficiency as the season continues? Teams will likely start blitzing ball screens and putting longer, more physical defenders on him moving forward. --MS

They've yet to have him in their top 100 this year, so it appears that he will certainly be in there the next time they update it.
 
Jeez that post is long as shit. Sorry for those who don't care about Trae Young at all.

As the year goes on I may look at individual games really closely (especially during March Madness hopefully) and look at what the player does well/poorly.

It takes a good amount of time cutting up the highlight video into GIFs, but if people want to see more of that I can do it more.

I dont see Trae Young doing much at next level, but that was a MVP like breakdown of his game. Im passionate about the prep to pro transition and those kinds of breakdowns are what I love.

Great work
 
Screw it. Here's who I have in the top-10, which is obviously subject to change:

1. Bagley
2. Ayton
3. Bamba
4. Porter (if his back checks out)
5. Doncic
6. Jaren Jackson
7. Robert Williams
8. Collin Sexton
9. Kevin Knox
10. Miles Bridges


It should be noted that I'm ranking these players based on their fit with the Cavs, and a combination of potential and immediate impact. This is not necessarily the rankings I would have if I were just straight ranking players.

The more I watch, the more I am totally comfortable with any of the guys in the top-8.
 
In case it went under the radar, Bagley went for 30/15 in back to back games against top competition. That's encouraging, to put it lightly.
 
In case it went under the radar, Bagley went for 30/15 in back to back games against top competition. That's encouraging, to put it lightly.

Just saw that. Now I have to watch some highlights.
 
In case it went under the radar, Bagley went for 30/15 in back to back games against top competition. That's encouraging, to put it lightly.

He was defended by a 6'5 guard during almost the entirety of the Florida game.
 
He was defended by a 6'5 guard during almost the entirety of the Florida game.

I get your point, but to be fair, he was defended by Bamba for most of the Texas game. Props for giving his team what it needed to win in both games.
 
I get your point, but to be fair, he was defended by Bamba for most of the Texas game. Props for giving his team what it needed to win in both games.

No he wasn't defended by Bamba in the Texas game... He was defended by Osetkowski. Bamba defended him for two possessions. In OT he was defended by a 6'4 SG after Bamba and Sims had fouled out.
 
No he wasn't defended by Bamba in the Texas game... He was defended by Osetkowski. Bamba defended him for two possessions. In OT he was defended by a 6'4 SG after Bamba and Sims had fouled out.

I definitely thought Bamba was on him more than that? Anyway, he had at least a few strong finishes over/around/through Bamba, which is no mean feat.
 

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