2019 Browns Head Coach Candidates

[Los216]

I had to check.... Sporting News, not an official NFL award. Still, anyone really want to claim the NFL isn't looking for a playcalling edge? Many try every year. NFL plays don't look much like plays from one decade ago.

Not every experiment succeeds. Some fans expect the college game or at least experiments in the college game to translate to the NFL, but there's many reasons the NFL morphing of an offense is a slow one.

It's not that they aren't looking it's that they for whatever reason revert back to what they know instead of trying to create something different. I said last weekend watching the playoff games that NFL coaches are he worst in the coaching profession at making in game adjustments and making sound decisions. Sometimes watching an NFL coach mismanage the clock or totally botch replay challenges when all these resources are set up for you to be successful at them is infuriating.

In the NBA and MLB you can flat out win just by having better players period. It's hard to overcome talent deficiencies in those leagues. In the NFL you don't even have to have the best players at their respective positions to win. You can win having one or two elite players on your whole 53 man roster. You can win by having an inexperienced player at the most important position in the league and you can even win by having the worst players at the most important position in the league. It's just the coaching and player development that seems to have dropped off recently in the NFL. QB's aren't being coached and developed as good anymore. Coaches aren't utilizing their players properly. That shit gets you fired in the NBA and MLB and you'll b a bench coach/assistant that's just lucky to hang onto a job. In the NFL people will look around the whole league and settle on a guy that did something really cool 10 years ago.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Which is why it's funny that guys like Norv Turner, Jedd Fisch and company keep floating around the NFL as they refuse to adapt to changing landscape.

The teams who do it best are often the teams who find coaches who adapt best and view other schemes as an opportunity to learn.

You picked two guys out of the NFL last year, but I see your point. I just disagree with the hipster take on NFL that nobody tries anything new. It's lazy... even if watching Hue's conservative playcalling last season incorrectly led you to believe the whole NFL is like the Browns. The college coaches aren't in the business of developing players who will succeed in NFL offenses. That's why you see a learning curve in young offensive players while defenders adapt more seamlessly. That doesn't mean a college offense will succeed at the NFL level. That has been discussed to death around here... without a definite change in the answer.

 

[AZ_]

You picked two guys out of the NFL last year, but I see your point. I just disagree with the hipster take on NFL that nobody tries anything new. It's lazy... even if watching Hue's conservative playcalling last season incorrectly led you to believe the whole NFL is like the Browns. The college coaches aren't in the business of developing players who will succeed in NFL offenses. That's why you see a learning curve in young offensive players while defenders adapt more seamlessly. That doesn't mean a college offense will succeed at the NFL level. That has been discussed to death around here... without a definite change in the answer.

You call them hipsters, I call it straw men.


But nepotism and unwarranted jobs are rampant throughout any league. Football is no exception.

Football is probably worst among the three major leagues. Look no further than how people still argue over IT factor and “football guys”

 

[Randolphkeys]

You call them hipsters, I call it straw men.


But nepotism and unwarranted jobs are rampant throughout any league. Football is no exception.

Football is probably worst among the three major leagues. Look no further than how people still argue over IT factor and “football guys”

Football won't be hiding it's nepotism anytime soon. 2/3rds of the teams have a relative of the ownership family as highest ranking day to day operations. Better or worse than other sports? I wouldn't venture a guess, baseball isn't a model of modern thought either.

But using a lack of success of new offensive philosophies as proof the NFL doesn't try new things is simply a fallacy of logic.

 

[AZ_]

Football won't be hiding it's nepotism anytime soon. 2/3rds of the teams have a relative of the ownership family as highest ranking day to day operations. Better or worse than other sports? I wouldn't venture a guess, baseball isn't a model of modern thought either.

But using a lack of success of new offensive philosophies as proof the NFL doesn't try new things is simply a fallacy of logic.

Baseball is king of the mountain with regards to modern thought and analytics, and they still employ Ned Yost.

It’s prevalent everywhere, but for my money football is the worst.

 

[Los216]

One of the worst arguments in football right now is coaches and their systems. Hey guys we're bringing in this coach because of his system. No system is fool proof in the NFL yet every year you see teams running shit and calling plays that they had all offseason to come up with. As soon as shit goes south you start hearing about the system. WTF were you doing in the offseason? Trying to fit all of your players into your system instead of learning your players?

Hue Jackson has a system and because he has one he gets a free excuse to use whenever he wants when his team underperforms to say well guys just gotta learn the system. No dude. You need to learn your players. Maybe don't play Safeties 20 yards of the line and stop with you pre snap motions that always confuse your players. I'm sure the system is what kept calling for all of our slow developing routes with a bottom 5 receiving corps and the youngest QB in the league. See? The system was fucking us up. The system has us giving opposing receivers an 8 yard cushion while also blitzing more than any team in the league. That damn system again. Don't you just hate when the system calls for passing plays when you have the ball inside the 3 yard line behind one of the most expensive O-Lines in the league? Damn system is out of control I tell ya.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Baseball is king of the mountain with regards to modern thought and analytics, and they still employ Ned Yost.

It’s prevalent everywhere, but for my money football is the worst.

Back to the original point, meritocracy and nepotism are opposites. That's the quality of writing we are getting from the hipster side of the discussion.

The Browns front office is as strong or stronger than it was when Ernie Accorsi turned everything over and Ozzie was groomed to be the next GM in waiting. I feel good about that in 2018 into 2019. I'm not ready to assume next season will be a disaster.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

One of the worst arguments in football right now is coaches and their systems. .

The NFL has always been a copycat league, and if any one "system" was that much superior to every other, they'd all be running it because every damn game is on film.

The difference isn't how good "the system" is. The difference is how good each coach is at running whatever system it is they're using

 

[AZ_]

Back to the original point, meritocracy and nepotism are opposites. That's the quality of writing we are getting from the hipster side of the discussion.

The Browns front office is as strong or stronger than it was when Ernie Accorsi turned everything over and Ozzie was groomed to be the next GM in waiting. I feel good about that in 2018 into 2019. I'm not ready to assume next season will be a disaster.

Nor am I, but I certainly have no higher expectations given their inability to hold Hue Jackson accountable for inarguably bad decisions.

Also, Dave Gettleman walking into a new GM job was another notch on the belt for those who think there’s a bit to much “old boys club” shit going on.

 

[billmac91]

View: https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/951132626340974592

View: https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/951132747690541056

Cam Newton never even really had a chance.....I guess with great coaching, maybe he'd have been more consistent, but starting with Mike Shula, and now getting put into a Norv Turner offense.....you just wonder who the hell thinks this is a good idea?

 

[MirORich]

Nor am I, but I certainly have no higher expectations given their inability to hold Hue Jackson accountable for inarguably bad decisions.

Also, Dave Gettleman walking into a new GM job was another notch on the belt for those who think there’s a bit to much “old boys club” shit going on.

But aren’t Dorsey and Gettleman atypical in that they were FA/fired GMs who’s teams had been very successful in their time there?

It’s not like they were successful 12 years ago and then bombed with a second team and are now getting a third chance “because ‘football guys’ old boys club”

Nor did they have early success and then have their teams bottom out.

They’re two hyper qualified guys who hit the market in unusual circumstances and who helped build and maintain a winning culture and multiple winning seasons during there tenures prior to being let go.

So to me, the “old boys network” tag does not apply at all to either.

 

[AZ_]

But aren’t Dorsey and Gettleman atypical in that they were FA/fired GMs who’s teams had been very successful in their time there?

It’s not like they were successful 12 years ago and then bombed with a second team and are now getting a third chance “because ‘football guys’ old boys club”

Nor did they have early success and then have their teams bottom out.

They’re two hyper qualified guys who hit the market in unusual circumstances and who helped build and maintain a winning culture and multiple winning seasons during there tenures prior to being let go.

So to me, the “old boys network” tag does not apply at all to either.

I actually had my initial statement backwards.

Meant to say Marty Hurney and not Dave Gettleman, whom replaced Gettleman when Carolina let him go.

Gettleman is fine as a GM candidate.

 

[Jack Brickman]

The NFL has always been a copycat league, and if any one "system" was that much superior to every other, they'd all be running it because every damn game is on film.

The difference isn't how good "the system" is. The difference is how good each coach is at running whatever system it is they're using

I hate that so few coaches are willing to adapt their system to the personnel. It's idiotic to expect the team to be structured around a coaching system when coaches are so expendable. I mean, if you're Bill Belichick you can do that because you're one of the few coaches with legitimate job security, but your average fresh coaching hire should be smart enough to build his system around the guys he's got. So few are, though.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Nor am I, but I certainly have no higher expectations given their inability to hold Hue Jackson accountable for inarguably bad decisions.

Also, Dave Gettleman walking into a new GM job was another notch on the belt for those who think there’s a bit to much “old boys club” shit going on.

Let's take a step back then. It seems people are arguing against retreads, correct? If there is a different thesis, I'd like a specific statement people stand for rather than general bitching. I can understand a specific thesis.

If the argument is against retreads, I agree to a certain degree. Norv Turner as an OC had his last truly great coaching year carrying an average Miami offense in 2003, yet he is getting another chance.

At the same time, are you keeping track of all the young position coaches who get promoted to OC and aren't ready? It would be a long list, including Zampese in Cincy and Downing in Oakland. Sometimes they grow into the new role, sometimes no.

If you look at the success rate of college coaches getting a pro job, they usually spend a year as a position coach before getting playcalling or coordinator duties. That is because the speed and size of NFL defenses is such a huge leap from college to the pros. Members have explained the vast difference between the college game before - wider hash marks, larger rosters, grown men instead of college kids, etc.

 

[BimboColesHair]

Cam Newton never even really had a chance.....I guess with great coaching, maybe he'd have been more consistent, but starting with Mike Shula, and now getting put into a Norv Turner offense.....you just wonder who the hell thinks this is a good idea?

7 step drops with Matt Kalil at LT.

That couldn’t possibly fail...