2019 Browns Head Coach Candidates

[Soda]

I don't care how bad you think the talent level on this team is, coaches can LUCK into more than 1 win in 22 games in the NFL.

That, combined with the regression from week to week, the head scratching play calling/decision making, and this lands on Hue more than the F.O.

I disagree. The make-up of the team is the primary issue. I don't see how you can luck into wins when all of your guys are brand-new and continue to make concentration mistakes. Some of that is laid upon the coach, as they're supposed to keep guys focused. Some of it should be coached out, but this batch of young players is fairly unprecedented in the NFL. Execution comes with experience; everyone with experience outside the OL has been jettisoned.

 

[The Oi]

What about Bernie Kosar?

 

[Soda]

I think Hue likely had a very prominent role in QB evaluations. So I put most of that on him rather than the FO.

A role in evaluations, yes. A role in choosing "the guy"? No.

Hue was just warm on Trubisky; the FO thought highly enough of him to take him at #1 for a bit. Hue's first choice was Pat Mahomes; he was also higher on Watson than the FO. Remember, Hue wasn't allowed in the war-room during the draft.

 

[Kiddo]

Jim Brown??

 

[CBBI]

What about possibly going with a real out of the box option, like Jim Tressel or Urban Meyer?

Jim Tressel is 64 years old. He's been out of coaching for seven years and has never coached a minute in the NFL. Hardest of hard passes.

The Browns could offer Urban 10M a year and a piece of the team and he would laugh in Jimmy's face and hang up the phone before Haslam could even finish his pitch.

 

[The Oi]

Hue wasn't allowed in the war-room during the draft.

Are other coaches allowed in? Sounds like a kid getting kicked out of the living room while his parents watch a movie.

 

[The Oi]

The Browns could offer Urban 10M a year and a piece of the team and he would laugh in Jimmy's face and hang up the phone before Haslam could even finish his pitch.

My concern is that anyone that’s super desirable would- and should- do the same.

 

[CBBI]

My concern is that anyone that’s super desirable would- and should- do the same.

At the end of the day, there are only 32 of these jobs out there. Of the 23 guys I listed in the original post, I'd be willing to bet at least 10-12 of them would accept the job no questions asked.

I really don't have any concern with the Browns finding a quality candidate. There were SIX open jobs in 2016 and the Browns got the guy most considered to be the very best guy available in Hue.

But guys that already have great head coaching gigs like Saban or Meyer - or cushy and lucrative television gigs like Gruden or Cowher - certainly aren't going to leave the comfort of those roles for the Browns.

 

[Soda]

Are other coaches allowed in? Sounds like a kid getting kicked out of the living room while his parents watch a movie.

Not sure if there's a hard & fast rule. It seems like coaches are very involved & even call some of the picks to let them know they've been picked.

At the time, I thought, "good, Sashi should own the whole thing if he's going to play 53-man roster President." It would either validate him, or isolate his evaluation/rationale for decision making. Sashi's quality when he got the job was "consensus maker"; however, making a consensus isn't the issue. It's how the consensus is made-up (i.e. group-think based on who Haslam wants is a bad organizational opinion). I think he leans towards the opinions of suits too much.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

A role in evaluations, yes. A role in choosing "the guy"? No.

Sure - the actual selections are made by the FO, but Hue was involved in the evaluations. That's my point.

Hue was just warm on Trubisky; the FO thought highly enough of him to take him at #1 for a bit. Hue's first choice was Pat Mahomes; he was also higher on Watson than the FO.

I don't know what "take him at No.1 for a bit" even means, or how we would even know that to be true rather than just a rumor.

Remember, Hue wasn't allowed in the war-room during the draft.

So? In a properly run organization, the necessary evaluations and discussions should be done and in the can before that anyway. If you're doing seat of the pants player evaluations for any picks in the first three rounds, you're doing something wrong.

Remember what Hue told us about Kessler?

 

[The Oi]

What is Kessler doing? Is he alive?

 

[Steve_424]

What about possibly going with a real out of the box option, like Jim Tressel or Urban Meyer?

Ohhhh Buckeye homers...

 

[I'mWithDan]

I don't have the energy to document all the awful coaching decisions but there are enough that we can all agree that losses piling up is not merely a symptom of youth.

I get the "let's not make a change crowd" ...as far as where you are coming from. I just have completely lost confidence in this staff the last few weeks.

The "bench Kizer to let him reset" is honestly a line of bullshit to me. Plenty of QB's have had horrendous rookie years. Being horrendous as a rookie doesn't mean you will be horrendous forever. But part of taking that beating is a player receiving a vote of confidence from a franchise that HE is the GUY and will be supported through the growing pains of getting better. Then working through those growing pains and exiting that black hole as a better player, who feels like the franchise is behind him.

Wentz effectively went through this last season, where he hit a stretch where he was GOD AWFUL. Through weeks 2-13 last year, look at his accumulative stats:

Weeks 2-13 (11 Games):

2530 yards (230 PYPG), 7 TD's, 13 INT's

6 of those 11 games he was a sub 60% passer and the team went 3-8, including a 5 game losing streak.

Wentz was never benched, nor did they ever consider benching him. While he likely lost some confidence in his play, he didn't lose confidence in the franchise or coaching staff.

That's my problem with the Kizer thing......we are undermining him for no reason. Hogan doesn't have a future in the NFL and was even worse than Kizer has been. Kizer is watching on the sideline thinking....."I'm sitting in favor of this bum?". All the offensive players are saying...."Kizer is sitting in favor of this bum?".

I'm not saying Kizer is the second coming but, to me, you can only sell the "step back" line of bullshit if you have a good veteran backup QB who can steady the ship and keep you in (and win) a few games. Without that, this whole benching thing is a complete panic move and anyone selling it as anything else is buying what these guys are selling IMO.

Again, if there was even a shred of evidence Hue and staff knew what they were doing, I'd be more inclined to keep them around but he seriously looks so far in over his head. Could care less about his track record. He openly said to trust him on Kessler and Kizer, who 1 was awful and 2, he already benched after a few weeks....while the FO passed on not one but two franchise QB's. Someone's head needs to roll for that, I'm sorry. These guys get paid a shit load of money.....this isn't high school football. When you make (bad) franchise altering decisions, you get fired (both with coaching on the field and personnel decisions in the draft).

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

What is Kessler doing? Is he alive?

Trust Hue....

And RG3 is awesome too.

 

[sportscoach]

Next season is the year these guys have to make a Wild Card appearance otherwise heads are going to role sadly. Can the front office through free agency and the draft get the talent needed to do that and can Hue coach that talent?

@I'mWithDan problem is it's too early to make major changes regardless since if we do that, we are going down the same path we were and defeats the purpose of what we have been doing the last two seasons. Wentz is a QB I wanted but at the same time what we got for him was a lot and even in hindsight I cannot blame them for the moves, just too early to see if they will truly pan out.

Also Watson in my mind is not a franchise QB and never will be until he does more than he has. He will fizzle like RG3 and Vince Young did.

The FO on paper has made all the right moves I feel, just the coach and players haven't produced. The question is it because we cut so many veterans and going with very very very young players with a young coach? Part of me feels we did too much of a Madden console game move and going with purely young talent with potential but didn't keep some high awareness guys on the roster who may have lost some ratings.

And this team is super young with of the average age and average actual experience, but we shouldn't be making so many dumb plays. The coaches need to work on themselves too so I hope Hue doesn't get stubborn and change some of his ways too.