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2019 Draft Prospects Thread

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As a small market baseball fan, this scares the shit out of me.

It’s very, very slippery—it’s already hard enough to sign players out of high school based on their options.

If they start holding out looking for this kind of treatment, then the slotted rates and bonus pool are going to be endangered. Prospects with options will want that Major League deal, even if it means using a spot on that 40-man.

The troubling issue with this is that baseball is very unique in that players need years to develop—especially those out of high school.

So while I enjoy baseball showing a degree of flexibility—as they are often one of the least flexible major sports—this move at least gives me pause.
 
FYI:

From what I've read, Wilks likes two DTs to push the line, a weak side DE to be a pass rusher, and the strong side defensive end to be a good against the run.

My guess is that won't matter too much, but, it may effect the type of D-linemen we draft when we draft one.

I don't know a ton about defense, though, and much of this is just people confirming each other on Twitter. Does anyone have better info on this? @Jack Brickman @FiveThous @Randolphkeys @AZ_ @thedarkness2332?
 
jking948 said:
FYI:

From what I've read, Wilks likes two DTs to push the line, a weak side DE to be a pass rusher, and the strong side defensive end to be a good against the run.

My guess is that won't matter too much, but, it may effect the type of D-linemen we draft when we draft one.

I don't know a ton about defense, though, and much of this is just people confirming each other on Twitter. Does anyone have better info on this? @Jack Brickman @FiveThous @Randolphkeys @AZ_ @thedarkness2332?
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You know, I’d be interested in learning more about his defense myself as I didn’t watch a ton of Carolina. I’m tagging @CBBI as well.

However, I think it’s important to continue to remind ourselves that he’s only been a defensive coordinator that single year in Carolina.

I think we are basing much of this off of that year. His players were mostly inherited in Arizona and he was fired before we knew the ideal body types he was after.

He was great in that DC role, and he’s been great with DB’s most of his career, but I’m not sure we can truly know about what he’s looking for in the exact characteristics of his defensive front until we see what he does here.

I did look up to see who was drafted on the defensive side of the ball when he was DC in Carolina. They took Myles Garrett’s upside battery mate, DE Daeshon Hall. 6’6, 260 lbs, lengthy athlete.

They also brought in Julius Peppers and Captain Munnerlyn in free agency.

At Arizona, in his lone draft as HC, they didn’t go defense until the 6th round so it’s tough to say.
 
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I do like the thought of moving Ogbah inside, considering his lack of production outside and his skillset maybe better fit full-time as a 3-tech rather just in subpackages..

However, teams have begun to value interior pressure as much as outside pressure if not more...

The nice thing about how this off-season and draft class set up is it's relatively strong both at DT and DE, which should allow the Browns to take what comes to them..

Regardless, additional depth and ability to get to the QB/disrupt plays should be a priority.. While Garrett and Ogunjobi are both really good players, there's a large drop-off in talent after those two and Ogbah with what they currently have...

I still would love to see Dre'Mont Jones come and be the mate Ogunjobi desperately needs...
 
Smooth said:
I still would love to see Dre'Mont Jones come and be the mate Ogunjobi desperately needs...
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Dre'Mont on the inside would allow Ogbah to focus on power rushes on the outside or stunts, complimenting each other extremely well. We have even seen Dre'Mont drop back and play spy linebacker at OSU while two back end players blitz. If the whole point is to trick the opposing O-line to have one or two guys standing there pass protecting air while another lineman is outnumbered, Dre'Mont would be perfect for a 4-3 blitz scheme. Let's see how it all plays out, the combine will tell us if he is a legit choice in the middle of the first or a second rounder.
 
thedarkness2332 said:
As a small market baseball fan, this scares the shit out of me.

It’s very, very slippery—it’s already hard enough to sign players out of high school based on their options.

If they start holding out looking for this kind of treatment, then the slotted rates and bonus pool are going to be endangered. Prospects with options will want that Major League deal, even if it means using a spot on that 40-man.

The troubling issue with this is that baseball is very unique in that players need years to develop—especially those out of high school.

So while I enjoy baseball showing a degree of flexibility—as they are often one of the least flexible major sports—this move at least gives me pause.
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Bigleague deals for draftees was something that was dropped in 2012 when the bonus pool was introduced- so this is nothing new. MLB is making a one-time exemption since the As have a competitor for his services. Also there is no 'holding out'- you either sign by July 15th or you have to wait until the next draft. This situation is different: Murray already signed. Had Kyler not signed, the As would simply have gotten a compensation pick in 2019 that was one slot below where they picked him and they would move on. The As know they stand to lose him if they don't do something, and MLB is trying to not just help them find a way for the As to not lose a player, but also ensure a premium athlete chooses baseball.

This is also a rule that was collectively bargained for- I have to think that the MLBPA wouldn't take too kindly to any agent advising amateurs to try and circumvent this and the agent would have some serious shit to deal with. Part of the reason that the MLBPA went with this rule change was they didn't like seeing millions thrown at players that do not always even see the bigleagues (and become actual members of the MLBPA). It also hurt development, as teams had to rush players who signed bigleague deals (see: Danys Baez from years ago).

Murray has been a unique situation from the get-go, as eyebrows were raised when the As drafted him and let him play college football despite signing him. I don't really think it sets a precedence as much as it will make teams think twice about giving contracts to any prospect without ending their football dreams at the same time.
 
Can't wait until we get to see those combine testing results, I feel we will have a good grasp of who the Browns are looking to Target afterwards. Ever since Sashi/DePodesta was in place, every pick in the first two rounds (QBs aside) has been a guy who tests really well in SPARQ as well as has a high PFF score, and I believe most of them are pretty young to boot. The one outlier to this is Corbett.

Obviously the Browns use their own analytics that isn't just SPARQ+PFF, but I feel like that's given us a better idea of who their pick will be over the last few years than most mock drafts.
 
macbdog said:
Also there is no 'holding out'- you either sign by July 15th or you have to wait until the next draft.
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I’m aware of the deadline. I didn’t mean actually “holding out” in the sense of missing time.

I meant holding out, as in not giving in and potentially going to play college ball for some of these high school draftees.
 
Juice Is Loose said:
Kyler Murray officially declares for NFL Draft.
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Interesting...

I've read a bit recently about Murray's NFL prospects. Outside of size, he seems to check literally every box for an NFL QB. The risk is not that he will fail, because from what I've read and watched, both analytics and eye-test analysis suggests he is a great prospect. Rather, it's that he will be unable to see over linemen, or worse, that he will constantly be injured.

Good article comparing him and Haskins -->

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2019/01/10/dwayne-haskins-vs-kyler-murray/
 
natedagg said:
He must have a promise for someone to take him in r1 if he is declaring.
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Why? It's not like he just passed some MLB deadline. He can still sign with Oakland in the next few weeks. This merely keeps his options open.

Declaring was always going to happen. If he didn't, he'd have nothing to negotiate with.
 
No team provides players guarantees in January.
 
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