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bleachkit said:
Hawks aren't trading #8, #10, #17, for #5. Why the hell would they do that? Hawks have Trae Young, they sure don't need White or Garland. And any of the three wings Culver/Hunter/Reddish sure as heck isn't yielding a draft haul of three picks. You must be the type of person that tries to sell your used car for top dollar and lets it sit on the market indefinitely.
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Apparently they really like Culver. There has been reports that if they got the #2 pick from the lotto that Culver would be in play for them.

There isn't a chart like the NFL for NBA values for draft pick trades. My assumption that #8, #10, and #17 would be in play for #5 is because Woj tweeted that the Hawks didn't think they had the ammo before getting #17 to trade up. They clearly have made calls and Woj knows that.

Lakers and Knicks aren't going to trade down unless they have a 3 way trade in place to even out the value. They aren't going to risk a potential AD trade by making a dollar into 4 quarters so they can keep one of those quarters.

Maybe I'm reading too much into the Woj tweet but let's just assume that the Cavs already turn down an offer of #8 and #10 for #5. They might not see the value at #8 that you or the rest of us see. If they see a tier drop off after the 7th player then #8 might not be worth as much as you think.

Let's say the draft goes Zion, Morant, Barrett, Garland, then the Hawks call. Koby has to weight who will be there at #8 to make the trade. Let say the Cavs have Culver, Hunter, and Reddish as their next 3 and by a wide margin. I think they have to trust their scouting at that point. Coby White or whoever they have a #8 might not be worth getting #10 for. Maybe they make some calls to the Suns and Bulls to see what it would take to move up from #8 to #6 or #7. Maybe #26 isn't enough to move up from #8 to #6 or #7 but #17 is.

At the end of the day Koby has to weight what gets them the players they want. #8 and #10 might seem fine to all of us but the Cavs scouting might not show that value equaling what they give up at #5. I personally would be fine with #8 and #10 for #5. I was reading into the Woj tweeted and explaining what I thought he was trying to hint at.
 
Ozone said:
Suns are shopping the 6th for a vet pg so another wing would probably be taken there in that case.
I agree Atlanta isn't likely to give up much if they think 1 of Reddish or Hunter will be there at 8 , but to get Culver they would have to move up.
Culver at a LA workout posted a standing vert where his reach was above 12' (top of backboard) dispelling concerns about his explosiveness and increasing the odds LA and to some degree NY are zeroing in on his more complete 2-way game over Barrett's. where there is a strong possibility Barrett falls to 5 especially in the scenario that Culver goes 3 and Garland goes 4. I do not see LA wanting Barrett (bad fit) unless they are picking for the Pelicans, and would definitely take Garland for his dynamic scoring ability landing Barrett to the Cavs where Atlanta may give up the farm to get him
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Interesting because you responded to me earlier in this thread by saying Culver isn't explosive or twitchy..I let it go because I thought otherwise due to what I saw when I was able to watch him...his game is smooth which gives the impression he has neither quality..however that doesn't mean he is high on the Cavs board.
 
Ozone said:
Suns are shopping the 6th for a vet pg so another wing would probably be taken there in that case.
I agree Atlanta isn't likely to give up much if they think 1 of Reddish or Hunter will be there at 8 , but to get Culver they would have to move up.
Culver at a LA workout posted a standing vert where his reach was above 12' (top of backboard) dispelling concerns about his explosiveness and increasing the odds LA and to some degree NY are zeroing in on his more complete 2-way game over Barrett's. where there is a strong possibility Barrett falls to 5 especially in the scenario that Culver goes 3 and Garland goes 4. I do not see LA wanting Barrett (bad fit) unless they are picking for the Pelicans, and would definitely take Garland for his dynamic scoring ability landing Barrett to the Cavs where Atlanta may give up the farm to get him
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If there are rumblings on draft day that Culver has moved up and could be in play at #3, I bet Koby will pull the trigger on whatever he has on the table for the JR contract. He will want that ammo available so he can make a bid up to #4 to secure Barrett. #5 and #26 might not be enough but #5 and a pick in the teens could be.
 
It's more likely we are competing to move up to three against the Hawks than trading with the Hawks.
 
bleachkit said:
It's more likely we are competing to move up to three against the Hawks than trading with the Hawks.
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You could be right on this if the Pelicans pull the trigger on an AD trade and it's not to the Knicks. Barrett at #3 right now keeps the Knicks in strong position to get AD. There are rumors that the Celtics still want to go after AD and Tatum is their center piece player to offer.

#8, #10, and #17 or whatever the Hawks would give up doesn't give a center piece player or asset to get AD. I actually think if the Knicks miss out on AD, the Cavs strongest offer to the Knicks might involve Kevin Love and the #5 pick for #3, a young player, and filler. The Hawks offer would probably allow them to go after another all-star in the future when one comes available.
 
inliner311 said:
I actually think if the Knicks miss out on AD, the Cavs strongest offer to the Knicks might involve Kevin Love and the #5 pick for #3, a young player, and filler. The Hawks offer would probably allow them to go after another all-star in the future when one comes available.
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You mean like:

Cavs get:
#3 (RJ Barret)
Frank Ntilikina G
Lance Thomas SF

for

#5
Kevin Love

I just dont see the Knicks going after Kevin Love.
 
WannaBstud said:
You mean like:

Cavs get:
#3 (RJ Barret)
Frank Ntilikina G
Lance Thomas SF

for

#5
Kevin Love

I just dont see the Knicks going after Kevin Love.
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I think the Knicks want to put together a big 3. If they get Durant and Kemba or Kyrie, will they wait for another star to come available? I think Love and Conley might be the only star available after AD gets traded.

We all know tampering is pretty much happening right now and definitely will be happening once the season ends. I think the Knicks will have to lay out their plan for a big 3 and after the Lakers haven't been able to put anything around LeBron, waiting and seeing can't be a team's plan.

Love and #5 could be a solid base for Durant and whoever he brings with him. I'm not sure I would want Frank Ntilikina back if I were the Cavs but it might be the price if they really like Barrett. I personally would push for Knox or Dennis Smith Jr.
 
WannaBstud said:
You mean like:

Cavs get:
#3 (RJ Barret)
Frank Ntilikina G
Lance Thomas SF

for

#5
Kevin Love

I just dont see the Knicks going after Kevin Love.
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I don't like that trade at all for us either. I think we can get more value for Love---all it takes is him having a great 3 months to start the season, the right team missing out on FA's this summer, teams that think they're one piece away, etc.

I would consider that deal if you replaced Ntilikina with Kevin Knox, for example. Or maybe those future firsts they have from Dallas.

Love is worth more than moving up 2 spots in the draft, IMO.
 
Green Lantern said:
Interesting because you responded to me earlier in this thread by saying Culver isn't explosive or twitchy..I let it go because I thought otherwise due to what I saw when I was able to watch him...his game is smooth which gives the impression he has neither quality..however that doesn't mean he is high on the Cavs board.
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Yep if that wasn't a photoshopped pic of him getting that much loft, then his leaping ability is definitely better than he showed in college for 2 yrs.
Not using it in game for me is an issue to some degree though I mean seems a bit odd to be that reserved with that much power in reserve. Either way like I said before he does have a decent first step but not anything special at the pro level ( unless he has saved it for workouts lol) and given much of his finishing was based on muscling through contact he will have to get stronger for that to translate etc.
I do think that leaping ability if it's true will dispel a lot of the concerns about the common theme that he is not that explosive.
 
inliner311 said:
If there are rumblings on draft day that Culver has moved up and could be in play at #3, I bet Koby will pull the trigger on whatever he has on the table for the JR contract. He will want that ammo available so he can make a bid up to #4 to secure Barrett. #5 and #26 might not be enough but #5 and a pick in the teens could be.
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Maybe in case another team is trying to get RJ by trading up to 4 and LA, but LA is highly unlikely to pick Barrett imo with Culver or Garland on the board so I wouldn't be offering too much to move up 1 spot. 5 and whatever I got for JR is overpay if the pick is 13 or 16. If all they are able to get for JR is 21 from OKC then I'd give up 5 and 26 and pick at 4 and 21 and if LA gets a better offer screw it I pick at 5 and field offers for Garland if he's the odd man out in the top 4, might even consider drafting him despite not having good size defensively his shooting ability and dynamic ball handling are elite
 
Athaloc said:
I don't know, but a rebuilding team tanking all the season to trade down before the draft is a bit of nonsense, so in principle i don't like the trade proposals with Atlanta
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Kinda like paying a guy $30 million a year and then intentionally not playing him, so he doesn’t hurt your draft position?
 
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