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[Soda]

No its for sure much, much more common in blacks in America, just like I am at a much,much higher risk for Tay Sachs as an Ashkenazi Jew.

We pretend in this overly PC world that race doesn't play a factor in your DNA and what diseases you are more likely to get, but it 100% does, its why I cringe at over PC things. This is not even a little bit racist, just factual, American Blacks are at a much, much higher risk for Sickle Cell, I am just not sure if Africans are too.

It may be true in reality, but that doesn't equate with causal for me. I'm more inclined to believe that it's something different we aren't aware of to this point. Not because they are AA. I feel like the skin-color is a placeholder for what's actually causal in one's genetic makeup. I don't know what it could be, maybe it's tied to quality of life of ancestors, maybe it's in certain water sources, maybe it's tied to the landscape native to certain areas, etc. I really do not know what it could be, but I'm inclined to think we need to look deeper than ethnicity and certainly deeper than skin color. This isn't anything about you not being PC, I just don't believe it.

 

[Lee]

It may be true in reality, but that doesn't equate with causal for me. I'm more inclined to believe that it's something different we aren't aware of to this point. Not because they are AA. I feel like the skin-color is a placeholder for what's actually causal in one's genetic makeup. I don't know what it could be, maybe it's tied to quality of life of ancestors, maybe it's in certain water sources, maybe it's tied to the landscape native to certain areas, etc. I really do not know what it could be, but I'm inclined to think we need to look deeper than ethnicity and certainly deeper than skin color. This isn't anything about you not being PC, I just don't believe it.

No, just no.

Its because for centuries Eastern European Jews married other Jews of that region, same is true of blacks in America. The trait for what ever reason started in those communities, separate diseases and stayed with them because they married other people with their background. This is not racist, its not because of the water, or soul food, or matza ball soup, its science, its DNA.

@gourimoko help me explain why saying diseases commonly found in certain ethnic communities is not racist, Sickle Cell affecting blacks is not racist, Tay Sachs affecting Jews is not racist, you are better at the science than I am.

 

[Soda]

No, just no.

Its because for centuries Eastern European Jews married other Jews of that region, same is true of blacks in America. The trait for what ever reason started in those communities, separate diseases and stayed with them because they married other people with their background. This is not racist, its not because of the water, or soul food, or matza ball soup, its science, its DNA.

@gourimoko help me explain why saying diseases commonly found in certain ethnic communities is not racist, Sickle Cell affecting blacks is not racist, Tay Sachs affecting Jews is not racist, you are better at the science than I am.

I don't think I ever insinuated that you're racist; I don't think that.

Like, for your example about Eastern European Jewish people, I think it's silly to think it's about them being Jews. Being Jewish, to me, is a common trait, but not a causal relationship. In my opinion.

Saying "x is found in certain ethnic communities" absolutely doesn't make the ethnic community a cause of the "x". Just doesn't.

 

[Lee]

I don't think I ever insinuated that you're racist; I don't think that.

Like, for your example about Eastern European Jewish people, I think it's silly to think it's about them being Jews. Being Jewish, to me, is a common trait, but not a causal relationship. In my opinion.

Saying "x is found in certain ethnic communities" absolutely doesn't make the ethnic community a cause of the "x". Just doesn't.

Its found in certain communities because for millenniums people commonly only mated with people from their community. The inter racial and religious procreating is a pretty recent thing and still not the majority yet, but its coming.

The Sickle Cell trait is almost exclusively found in blacks. The only way for a kid to get it is if both of their parents are caries, which goes back to only found in blacks. Thus if a black American married a Jewish American you would get kids that have almost no chance at Sickle Cell or Tay Sachs, but you could get the next Drake or Lenny Kravitz, lol.

Its 100% a trait of the ethnic communities because its only in their DNA.

 

[Soda]

Its 100% a trait of the ethnic communities because its only in their DNA.

I think we're talking past one another, but this is false. It's not exclusive to any ethnic group (1/34 for Tay Sachs being Jewish, 1/12 for Sickle Cell being AA). It's identifiable with that group because of higher risk, but that higher risk is due to cultural conditioning (i.e. reproducing with others in your culture). I believe the root of Tay Sachs as a disease is pre-Judiaism, personally.

Therefore, I don't think being a Jew was or is a prerequisite to having the disease. I agree with you saying "Jews are more at risk of Tay Sachs", I simply don't think it's rooted in being Jewish at it's core.

 

[Lee]

I think we're talking past one another, but this is false. It's not exclusive to any ethnic group (1/34 for Tay Sachs being Jewish, 1/12 for Sickle Cell being AA). It's identifiable with that group because of higher risk, but that higher risk is due to cultural conditioning (i.e. reproducing with others in your culture). I believe the root of Tay Sachs as a disease is pre-Judiaism, personally.

Therefore, I don't think being a Jew was or is a prerequisite to having the disease. I agree with you saying "Jews are more at risk of Tay Sachs", I simply don't think it's rooted in being Jewish at it's core.

Its found in those ethnics at a much, much higher level. People have a much higher tendency to marry and have kids within their ethnicity. Both diseases require both mother and father to be carriers to pass it on. Thus why you are so much more likely, and yes its in their DNA, its a DNA trait found commonly in those communities. Its not water, fried chicken or matzo balls. Its from centuries and centuries of inner breeding, not in a bad way, just factual way. 100 years ago blacks dated blacks and Jews dated Jews. I am glad we are moving to be one tan human race, but we are not there yet.

 

[Soda]

Its found in those ethnics at a much, much higher level. People have a much higher tendency to marry and have kids within their ethnicity. Both diseases require both mother and father to be carriers to pass it on. Thus why you are so much more likely, and yes its in their DNA, its a DNA trait found commonly in those communities. Its not water, fried chicken or matzo balls. Its from centuries and centuries of inner breeding, not in a bad way, just factual way. 100 years ago blacks dated blacks and Jews dated Jews. I am glad we are moving to be one tan human race, but we are not there yet.

I agree with this

 

[col63onel]

I am glad we are moving to be one tan human race, but we are not there yet.

I cosine on this argument

 

[Sebastian]

Its found in certain communities because for millenniums people commonly only mated with people from their community. The inter racial and religious procreating is a pretty recent thing and still not the majority yet, but its coming.

The Sickle Cell trait is almost exclusively found in blacks. The only way for a kid to get it is if both of their parents are caries, which goes back to only found in blacks. Thus if a black American married a Jewish American you would get kids that have almost no chance at Sickle Cell or Tay Sachs, but you could get the next Drake or Lenny Kravitz, lol.

Its 100% a trait of the ethnic communities because its only in their DNA.

Geographic location plays a role.

Africans, and African-Americans as a result, have sickle cell because it offers them some measure of immunity to malaria and a couple other diseases endemic to many regions of Africa.

African slaves were brought to the British colonies precisely because they were immune to malaria which was killing something like 80% of the European colonists resulting in a manpower shortage for the tobacco fields. The slaves with the best immunity to malaria and West Nile, survived, and begat offspring. That is why so many African-Americans have sickle-cell.

This discussion is weird.

Geographic location and need shapes immunity. Ethnic groups often hail from a singular location. These mutations are then passed down and travel through the descendants of those who developed the helpful mutation.

That's genetics. Not racism (which in itself is a human construct).

 

[Lee]

Geographic location plays a role.

Africans, and African-Americans as a result, have sickle cell because it offers them some measure of immunity to malaria and a couple other diseases endemic to many regions of Africa.

African slaves were brought to the British colonies precisely because they were immune to malaria which was killing something like 80% of the European colonists resulting in a manpower shortage for the tobacco fields. The slaves with the best immunity to malaria and West Nile, survived, and begat offspring. That is why so many African-Americans have sickle-cell.

This discussion is weird.

Geographic location and need shapes immunity. Ethnic groups often hail from a singular location. These mutations are then passed down and travel through the descendants of those who developed the helpful mutation.

That's genetics. Not racism (which in itself is a human construct).

Well thanks for adding the ugly but interesting truth.

Now why are my people prone to Tay Sachs, a much worse disease than Sickle Cell? Let me guess, is it because we killed Jesus?

PS, that joke was a tribute to my best friend who died in a car accident years ago but would be on the floor laughing if he read that.

 

[raiders91sc]

Well thanks for adding the ugly but interesting truth.

Now why are my people prone to Tay Sachs, a much worse disease than Sickle Cell? Let me guess, is it because we killed Jesus?

PS, that joke was a tribute to my best friend who died in a car accident years ago but would be on the floor laughing if he read that.

in todays world most people who find that joke in bad taste but I'm sorry I laughed my butt off. MY college roommate was jewish and gay. Really the 1st Jewish and gay guy I ever new personally. Every once in a while and especially around Christmas he would whisper in my ear at really odd times "We killed JC or JC was gay. Guy was a little different but I loved him.

 

[Sebastian]

Well thanks for adding the ugly but interesting truth.

Now why are my people prone to Tay Sachs, a much worse disease than Sickle Cell? Let me guess, is it because we killed Jesus?

PS, that joke was a tribute to my best friend who died in a car accident years ago but would be on the floor laughing if he read that.

Interestingly enough, French Canadians and Cajuns also have a higher Tay-Sachs incidence rate.

As the French Canadians butchered the French language, rather than Jesus, I suspect Ashkenazi Jews offended God in some other way.

Gefilte fish perhaps.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Four positions I think the Browns will be targeting:

Offensive tackles - Daryl Williams or Ju'Juan James either one moves Hubbard to swing tackle, being right tackles one won't break the back. James will command a lot more money, but the line would officially be a strength of the team.

Receivers Adam Humphries or Dante Moncrief - I wasn't on board with Hump before Monken was hired, now I've been sold. Let him get in the receiver room with Landry and bring some insight to the new offensive wrinkles. Moncrief like Williams has some low risk high reward status.

Linebacker - Kwon Alexander and Brandon Marshall. Denver decided not to pick up the option on Marshall to save 6.5 million. Marshall is older at age 29, but his versatility and production are top notch. For a younger target, Alexander would be an upgrade from Collins in pass coverage.

Defensive Line - Frank Clark and Shelton Richardson. Clark has the best resume by far and is young at age 25. He was groomed to flip between three tech and end. We live in a society that grants second chances, and he has made the most of his second chance. Richardson had a bounce back year in Minnesota and is still just 28. Similarly he can play multiple techniques along the line, increasing flexibility after he signs if a player falls in the draft.

 

[col63onel]

Defensive Line - Frank Clark and Shelton Richardson. Clark has the best resume by far and is young at age 25. He was groomed to flip between three tech and end. We live in a society that grants second chances, and he has made the most of his second chance. Richardson had a bounce back year in Minnesota and is still just 28. Similarly he can play multiple techniques along the line, increasing flexibility after he signs if a player falls in the draft.

A.) I think Clark gets tagged

B.) I think after signing Hunt, Haslams might not sign off on another player with DV in his past

 

[The Voice]

A.) I think Clark gets tagged

B.) I think after signing Hunt, Haslams might not sign off on another player with DV in his past

Dorsey has proven to take guys like that to take advantage of the market.