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2023-24 Season | Game #18 | Hawks @ Cavs | Nov. 28, 2023 | 7:30 p.m.

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After a rest day following a tough back-to-back against the Lakers and Raptors, the Cavs take on the Altanta Hawks at RMF. The Hawks are 8-8 overall and 5-3 on the road.

The Hawks have lost games to Boston, Indiana, Philly, New York, Miami, and OKC, so they are not beating the best teams but they are taking care of business against the weaker ones. They have lost 5 of their last 8 with two of the three wins against weak sisters Detroit and Washington and the other against 8-8 Brooklyn.

The Hawks took a big hit last week as starting SF Jalen Johnson sustained a wrist fracture and will be out several weeks. The 6’8” Johnson is one of the top small forwards in the game averaging 14.1 points, 7.3 rebounds, and ranking in the top 5% at his position in points per shot attempt. He’s hitting 59.5% overall and a blistering 42% on 3’s. He is also the Hawks' top defender; they are nearly 7 points better defensively with him on the floor. Johnson will also miss the rematch in a couple of weeks. This injury came at a perfect time for the Cavs.

The Hawks are led by All-Star PG Trae Young who averages 26.5 points and 10.4 assists. Young excels at drawing fouls as he leads the Hawks with 9.2 free throw attempts per game (the next highest is at 3.4). He throws his body into the defender and gets the call time after time. He gets into the paint, launches his body at the nearest defender, and throws up the shot after. However, he is not that efficient, shooting 40.2% overall and 36.5% on 3’s. But he is in the top 4% of point guards in assists per usage ratio.

SG Dejounte Murray is having a nice season with a 20.0 scoring average at 45% and 37% shooting. SG Bogdan Bogdanovich is averaging 15.8 points off the bench at 47% and 39%. He’s a very accurate outside shooter who can’t be left alone at the 3-point line. Small forwards DeAndre Hunter and Saddiq Bey average 14.4 and 11.9 points with solid shooting percentages. Clint Capela and Onyeka Okongwu split the center duties with about 24 minutes each.

The Hawks are 2nd in the NBA in scoring at 123.6 ppg. They shoot 48% overall and 37.2% from deep. In addition to excellent shooting they do a great job on the offensive glass, ranking 3rd in that category. The Cavs are weak on the defensive glass, so this is a bad matchup and the Cavs will need to focus on hitting the defensive glass, including Mitchell, LeVert, and Strus. Strus and Mitchell are excellent defensive rebounders, ranking in the 85th and 70th percentiles at their positions, respectively. They need to hit the glass tonight and help out the bigs.

The Hawks lead the NBA in fast break points per game and the Cavs are 7th, so we should see a lot of racing up and down the court in this one. It should be a fun game to watch.

The Hawks are 8th in 3-point percentage and 10th in 3’s attempted per game, so shooting the 3 is a big part of their game. Running the floor, shooting 3’s, and crashing the offensive glass is what they do. They play at a fast pace, ranking 2nd in field goal attempts per game. They are only 20th in assists, so there’s a fair amount of one-on-one, starting with Young. They are 6th in free throw attempts per play, thanks to Young. They simply try to outrun and outscore you.

The Hawks are 25th in scoring defense, so defensive is not their thing. They are 26th in points allowed in the paint and in defensive rebound percentage. They are very vulnerable in the paint and also on putbacks so I expect the Cavs to attack the rim relentlessly and to crash the glass. The Hawks aren't big up front to lobs to Allen and Mobley should be very effective.

The Hawks are third worst in opponents’ 2-point shooting percentage and with Jalen Johnson out they are probably the worst in the NBA at defending the 2-point shot and defending the paint. I expect Garland, Mitchell, and LeVert will be taking it to the rim all night long and finishing with layups, floaters, or lobs. But be careful on kickouts to the corner as the Hawks love to lurk in the passing lanes.

Johnson is their leading defensive rebounder at 5.9 boards per game, so with Johnson out the Cavs should feast on the offensive glass. The Hawks allow a 30% offensive rebound rate when they force missed shots; only three teams are worse. With their best defensive rebounder out they are even more vulnerable in this area. There could be a ton of offensive rebounds on both ends of the court.

By committing to the offensive glass the Hawks leave themselves open for transition attacks and in fact are 24th in fast break points allowed. The Cavs are 7th in points scored off the break, so the Cavs will be running in transition as much as possible and they should have success. Isaac Okoro could do well against this team.

The one thing the Hawks do well on defense is steals where they rank 5th in steals per play. I suspect they know they suck defensively so they might as well gamble for steals. The Cavs need to be aware of them jumping the passing lanes and be careful with the ball.

Atlanta is below average defending 3’s so that is not a bad option, either, although I think the first choice should always be dribble penetration or going inside to Allen or Mobley. Capela and Okongwu are 6’10” but they don't play at the same time and they have nobody else in the rotation over 6’8”. The Cavs should be looking to force switches and then lob it inside to Mobley or Allen posting up a wing or a guard.

This could be a high scoring shootout with the ball moving quickly up and down the floor. On Sunday the Hawks only scored 103 against Boston (the #4 scoring defense). But in their previous three games they scored 152, 147, and 136. This should be a pretty entertaining game with all the fast breaking and offensive boards. Dean Wade and Ty Jerome are still out according to Chris Fedor this morning.
 
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I think we match well against the Hawks with our twin towers and big to big offense. They can't stop our bigs from scoring inside. Plus, grabbing rebounds and leading the fast break will add to our point total.

Our guards need to keep Young in front of them and shooting long twos. If he gets in the paint, guard one side and trust our bigs to stop his floaters and layups. Our bigs need to switch off Capela to help and the other big to switch on him and block him out.

Tight perimeter defense on everyone else. Chase them off the line and make them take long twos.

If the Hawks have a poor shooting night, it'll be a blowout for the Cavs. Otherwise, 121-111 Cavs.
 
Here's a tweet from Woj dated June 14, 2021.

Sources: NBA’s Competition Committee met Monday to further explore rules changes to restrict unnatural motions on jump shots players use to draw fouls. NBA wants to limit players - including stars like Trae Young, James Harden - from leaning backwards and sideways to draw fouls.

From basketballnews.com:

The NBA’s officiating account (@NBAOfficial) tweeted that starting in Summer League and continuing into the 2021-22 season, officials would look to eliminate the following situations:

When a shooter leans into or jumps into a defender in an unnatural way.

When an offensive player abruptly veers sideways into a defender, or simply stops in front of him, giving the defender nowhere to go so they run into the shooter.

When a shooter kicks their legs up or sideways in an unnatural way to initiate contact with a defender.

When an offensive player uses his non-shooting arm to hook a defender.


However, in the last three seasons Trae Young's free throw attempts have increased from 7.3 to 8.8 to 9.2 so far this year. That 9.2 figure is the highest since his second season in 2019-20.

I personally don't think the refs are doing enough to limit players like Young who throw themselves sideways to draw contact rather than going straight to the rim. It will be interesting to see how much he gets away with tonight.
 
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No mention of the no-reason tournament? Blasphemy!

Today is the final day of the inaugural NBA In-Season Tournament. The Cavs are on the outside looking in, unless the following happens:

1. Cavs win and the Heat, Celtics, Knicks, and Nets all lose.

or

2. Cavs win and hold a tie-breaker over any other group team in the East with a 3-1 record.
 
No mention of the no-reason tournament? Blasphemy!

Today is the final day of the inaugural NBA In-Season Tournament. The Cavs are on the outside looking in, unless the following happens:

1. Cavs win and the Heat, Celtics, Knicks, and Nets all lose.

or

2. Cavs win and hold a tie-breaker over any other group team in the East with a 3-1 record.
We were just waiting for you to talk about it. Continue on.
 
NBA refs are taking the joy for me of the nba tbh. And watching young is like watching a manufactured star
 
NBA refs are taking the joy for me of the nba tbh. And watching young is like watching a manufactured star
I cannot believe it was 29 FTA for the Raptors to the Cavs 6 FTA. That's unreal especially in a two point game. It was similar vs the 76ers a couple games ago but not nearly as large of a gap.
 
Cavs only 3.5 point favorites, at home? Seems kind of insulting. What's up with that? All I know is Mitchell is really due for a BIG game.
 
A great 3pt shooting team that is also great on orebs, all weaknesses of the cavs. This will be a bad match up.
True, the Cavs suck at defending 3-point shots and defensive rebounding, ranking 21st and 25th, respectively. Those are probably their two biggest vulnerabilities.

But the Hawks suck at defending the paint (26th) and defending 2-point shots (28th), and without Jalen Johnson they have to be worse than that.

Both teams should be able to put a lot of points on the board.

Someone mentioned that Mitchell is due for a big game. I agree. After nine days off with a hammy he was 4-for-18 against the Lakers and 4-for-17 the next night against the Heat. Now with a day off and playing against a bad defense I expect he'll get back to his normal 30-point per game self.
 
Clint Capela and Onyeka Okongwu, the Hawks' two centers, combine for 7 of the team's 13 offensive rebounds per game. I'm sure this usually happens when Young beats his man off the dribble, forcing the opposing center to contest his layup or floater which leaves Cappela or Okongwu with an easy putback. I would like to see the Cavs trap Young and force him to give up the ball, even if it means some scrambling on defense.
 
I recall before the 2020 draft my preference for the Cavs at #5 was Okongwu, but they took the other "O" guy, Isaac Okoro. Okongwu went with the next pick to Atlanta.

Neither player is starting in their fourth season, but I think I would still take Okongwu in hindsight. Last year in 80 games he averaged 23 minutes with a line of 9.9 points and 7.2 rebounds, shooting just under 64% from the field. He's playing behind Clint Cappela, who is no All-Star, but they are playing the same minutes.

I just think if the Cavs could do it they would trade Okoro for Okongwu, assuming they could resign either of them for the same money. We need a backup center more than we need a backup small forward.

The Cavs never stop talking about how much they love Okoro but this is the last year of his contract and they haven't made him an offer AFAIK.
 

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