2023-24 Season | Playoff series #1 | Cavaliers vs. Magic |

[cabs]

did they move game 6 to a day later, thought yesterday i saw it was a day earlier than it is now

 

[shoes22]

did they move game 6 to a day later, thought yesterday i saw it was a day earlier than it is now

Nope. Game 6 was always Friday. There was no time announced since last night though, because the game would be on NBA TV again if Boston hadn't ended their series last night. Now it's 7PM on ESPN. (And Bally's...game 6 will be the last Bally's broadcast of the season.)

 

[bushwick_bill]

 

[bushwick_bill]

 

[Thelastcavsfan]

I thought Banchero was like an old man lebron, but someone compared him to Melo and I think that’s much closer

 

[sloveniafan]

Another article about Cavs playing with just one big (beacuse of Allen injury) . https://cavaliersnation.com/2024/05...rett-allens-ribs-with-an-elbow-during-game-4/ . There DM explains why it is actually schematicly better .

“The spacing is the thing that’s different, longer rotations,” guard Donovan Mitchell said. “Jonathan Isaac, for example, he’s coming from the corner now instead of helping off (when the Cavs have Mobley and Allen on the court). … It’s a game of inches. … Having a guy like Jonathan Isaac or Wendell Carter having to come from the wing or the corner, now you’re making that pass and catching them in the middle of rotations, it just changes the game.”


So DM knows it, JBB knows it, that 1 big gives them better spacing. So WHY again it has to be injury that forces them to 1 Big lineup ?? OK, best one to insert would be healthy Wade, maybe without him they can rotate Okoro, Morris and even Niang ..

 

[Pierre Pan]

JA has been officially listed as questionable for Friday night’s clash. The usual suspects (CPJ, Wade, Jerome) remain out

 

[Pierre Pan]

More information on JA:

Jarrett Allen’s availability is uncertain for Game 6 against the Magic in Orlando — cleveland.com

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- There is uncertainty that Jarrett Allen could return to the court for the Cavs in Game 6 of the first-round series against the Orlando Magic on Friday at the Kia Center.

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CLEVELAND, Ohio -- There is uncertainty that Jarrett Allen could return to the court for the Cavs in Game 6 of the first-round series against the Orlando Magic on Friday at the Kia Center.

Although Allen didn’t participate in practice on Thursday before the team hopped on a plane for the Sunshine State, Allen was present to get rehab work and treatment for his rib contusion that he suffered in Game 4.

Before missing Game 5, Allen had only missed the first five games of the regular season and participated in 81 straight games, including the first four games of the Magic series.

“[I’m] a little drained,” Allen said after clinching a playoff spot with a win over the Indiana Pacers. “I’m always good physically. For me, it’s mental. I feel like my body is always gonna be good. I take time to take care of that. It’s just for me, keeping my mental game right.”

That was before he took an elbow to the ribs from either Wendell Carter Jr. or one of the Wagner brothers -- the team is still unsure.

Rib injuries are tricky because, based on severity, they can impact breathing, body movement, and overall enjoyment of life.

After practice and media availability had concluded, Allen was sitting on a farside chair donning the wine-colored practice jersey that starters wear at Cleveland Clinic Courts. He was having a conversation with Max Strus, smiling and laughing while moving his arm to adjust his glorious afro on occasion.

“He’s still working through some things. Still getting treatment,” coach J.B. Bickerstaff said. “He’ll be with us on the trip, obviously, and we expect him to give it a go if he can.

“So many things that are part of basketball, you have to use your core. And when that rib is bothering you, it’s hard to do all those things.”
Allen is the backbone of the Cavs’ defense and has emerged as the second-highest scorer in the playoffs this year. His presence is needed, even if the Cavs won Game 5 104-103 with Allen on the sideline.

The 26-year-old is averaging 17 points, 13.8 rebounds, 1.3 steals, and one block per game throughout the four games he played in the first-round series.

Heading to Orlando, where the Cavs suffered two blowout losses to the Magic already this series, the Cavs have the opportunity to rewrite the story with a decisive Game 6.

The Magic have one of the lengthiest lineups in the NBA, with six players on their roster 6-foot-10 and above. Orlando’s starting lineup consists of Paolo Banchero, Wendell Carter Jr., and Franz Wagner, who are all listed as 6-foot-10. Allen is listed as 6-foot-9 on ESPN, but his long arms and bouncy ‘fro give him a bigger frame. Evan Mobley and Damian Jones are the only players on the Cavs’ playoff roster who are 6-foot-10 or above, and Jones has played just seven minutes in this playoff series.

Mobley, on the other hand, slid to the center position with Allen sidelined in Game 5. Although Mobley was in the defensive player of the year conversation since entering the league and can hold his own on that end of the court, this Cavs team is built around Allen and Mobley playing side-by-side. Early in Game 5, there were a couple of possessions where Mobley allowed an offensive player to get by him with the instinctual thinking that Allen would be behind him to deter the attacker. But Allen wasn’t there.

Mobley made the mental adjustment throughout the contest and had a game-sealing block on Franz Wagner, but there is a trust and belief between the two bigs in one another that cannot be overshadowed.

With Dean Wade out for the first round with a knee injury and Georges Niang, the team’s defacto backup power forward, struggling from beyond the arc, having 6-foot-8 Marcus Morris Sr. step up played a major part in the win in Game 5.

But there are few players with a presence on the defensive end like Allen, who had only missed the first five games of the regular season before missing Game 5.

In a defensive-minded battle with the Magic, going into a critical Game 6, Allen is the Cavs’ trump card if he’s able to play. But the Cavs are preparing for the worst.

“We got a bunch of pros, and we trust these guys to compete at the highest level and in any environment,” Bickerstaff said. “Obviously, we miss when Jarrett’s not on the floor, but we’re comfortable that if he’s not able to go, we got guys that can step up.

“We won the other night, but we can’t go down there with the mindset of, ‘Oh, we won, and we’ve got game seven coming home.’ We need to go down there with the mindset and the approach that we’re going to take care of business.”

 

[Jscc]

Another article about Cavs playing with just one big (beacuse of Allen injury) . https://cavaliersnation.com/2024/05...rett-allens-ribs-with-an-elbow-during-game-4/ . There DM explains why it is actually schematicly better .

“The spacing is the thing that’s different, longer rotations,” guard Donovan Mitchell said. “Jonathan Isaac, for example, he’s coming from the corner now instead of helping off (when the Cavs have Mobley and Allen on the court). … It’s a game of inches. … Having a guy like Jonathan Isaac or Wendell Carter having to come from the wing or the corner, now you’re making that pass and catching them in the middle of rotations, it just changes the game.”


So DM knows it, JBB knows it, that 1 big gives them better spacing. So WHY again it has to be injury that forces them to 1 Big lineup ?? OK, best one to insert would be healthy Wade, maybe without him they can rotate Okoro, Morris and even Niang ..

I don't think JBB believes in it. For abit, Don, DG, Mobley, and JA would all start. Then DG/Mobley and Don/JA were staggered throughout the game. Results were pretty good. Then they suddenly stopped doing it with no explanation.

 

[jhernjh]

Another article about Cavs playing with just one big (beacuse of Allen injury) . https://cavaliersnation.com/2024/05...rett-allens-ribs-with-an-elbow-during-game-4/ . There DM explains why it is actually schematicly better .

“The spacing is the thing that’s different, longer rotations,” guard Donovan Mitchell said. “Jonathan Isaac, for example, he’s coming from the corner now instead of helping off (when the Cavs have Mobley and Allen on the court). … It’s a game of inches. … Having a guy like Jonathan Isaac or Wendell Carter having to come from the wing or the corner, now you’re making that pass and catching them in the middle of rotations, it just changes the game.”


So DM knows it, JBB knows it, that 1 big gives them better spacing. So WHY again it has to be injury that forces them to 1 Big lineup ?? OK, best one to insert would be healthy Wade, maybe without him they can rotate Okoro, Morris and even Niang ..

Niang has been a major failure so far in the playoffs because he rarely hit those shots. Okoro might make some, but makes the line up too small and thank god JB adjusted away from the 4 guard lineup (which has been another fail against Orlando). Morris is the best the Cavs got and playing him more than 20 minutes a game is a big gamble. Those calling out Altman are correct, he had this trade deadline to fix this issue to compliment our bigs. He got lucky Morris was available

 

[Pierre Pan]

‎Wine and Gold Talk Podcast: Could the future of the Cavs' two-big lineup be decided in this year's playoffs? on Apple Podcasts

‎Show Wine and Gold Talk Podcast, Ep Could the future of the Cavs' two-big lineup be decided in this year's playoffs? - May 2, 2024

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Transcribed summary:

-The Cavs’ chances of winning on the road in game six are uncertain, given their inconsistent performance in Orlando.


-Jarrett Allen’s availability for Game 6 is up in the air, and his absence would be a significant blow to the team.


-Marcus Morris Sr. brings leadership, toughness, and physicality to the team, which can help establish a strong presence on the court.


-Caris LeVert’s decreased productivity in the playoffs can be attributed to factors such as limited minutes, changing rotations, and the increased focus on star players.


-The Cavs’ bench has been outscored by the Magic’s bench in the series, highlighting the need for improved production from role players.


-The decision of whether to start Marcus Morris Sr. over Isaac Okoro in Game 6 depends on factors such as defensive matchups and offensive production.


-- with Allen injured -- suggests that the Cavs may consider moving away from their staple two big lineup in the future if he continues to show that he can handle being the everyday center. Evan Mobley’s performance in Game 5 -- with Allen injured

-- suggests that the Cavs may consider moving away from their staple two big lineup in the future if he continues to show that he can handle being the everyday cente

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

‎Wine and Gold Talk Podcast: Could the future of the Cavs' two-big lineup be decided in this year's playoffs? on Apple Podcasts

‎Show Wine and Gold Talk Podcast, Ep Could the future of the Cavs' two-big lineup be decided in this year's playoffs? - May 2, 2024

podcasts.apple.com

Transcribed summary:

-The Cavs’ chances of winning on the road in game six are uncertain, given their inconsistent performance in Orlando.


-Jarrett Allen’s availability for Game 6 is up in the air, and his absence would be a significant blow to the team.


-Marcus Morris Sr. brings leadership, toughness, and physicality to the team, which can help establish a strong presence on the court.


-Caris LeVert’s decreased productivity in the playoffs can be attributed to factors such as limited minutes, changing rotations, and the increased focus on star players.


-The Cavs’ bench has been outscored by the Magic’s bench in the series, highlighting the need for improved production from role players.


-The decision of whether to start Marcus Morris Sr. over Isaac Okoro in Game 6 depends on factors such as defensive matchups and offensive production.


-- with Allen injured -- suggests that the Cavs may consider moving away from their staple two big lineup in the future if he continues to show that he can handle being the everyday center. Evan Mobley’s performance in Game 5 -- with Allen injured

-- suggests that the Cavs may consider moving away from their staple two big lineup in the future if he continues to show that he can handle being the everyday cente

Yeah, the future of the Cavs' basic lineup of two bigs and two point guards is being tested in the best possible laboratory - the playoffs. So far I'd say the results are mixed.

The Cavs thrived in Jan-Feb when Mobley and Garland were out and they went with one big man, one point guard (Mitchell), and three outside shooters. Part of it was an easy schedule, but they went 22-4 over one stretch.

They beat Orlando on Tuesday with one big man, which spread out the Magic's defense as Mitchell described and opened up more room in the paint for guard penetration. "A game of inches". The Cavs scored 104 points after averaging 91 the first four games.

The question is whether JBB will go with both Allen and Mobley on the floor together if he has that option tonight or Sunday.

In the first half of Game 4 the Cavs outscored the Magic 60-51. Mobley and Allen were +8 with both on the floor and the Cavs were +1 with just one of them. I think having both on the floor can work as long as the rest of the team is hitting their shots. Garland was a different player in Game 5, having by far his best game. But was that because the Cavs only had one big?

If Mobley could develop a consistent 3-point shot from the corner and the angle it would change everything. The Cavs could spread the defense and put both their rim defenders on the floor at the same time.

 

[Surge]

Why do we seem to have an A-Hole villian character against us every series. Does this happen to other teams? Basically the Wagner brothers have morphed together in my mind and I dislike them both.

 

[Pierre Pan]

Yeah, the future of the Cavs' basic lineup of two bigs and two point guards is being tested in the best possible laboratory - the playoffs. So far I'd say the results are mixed.

The Cavs thrived in Jan-Feb when Mobley and Garland were out and they went with one big man, one point guard (Mitchell), and three outside shooters. Part of it was an easy schedule, but they went 22-4 over one stretch.

They beat Orlando on Tuesday with one big man, which spread out the Magic's defense as Mitchell described and opened up more room in the paint for guard penetration. "A game of inches". The Cavs scored 104 points after averaging 91 the first four games.

The question is whether JBB will go with both Allen and Mobley on the floor together if he has that option tonight or Sunday.

In the first half of Game 4 the Cavs outscored the Magic 60-51. Mobley and Allen were +8 with both on the floor and the Cavs were +1 with just one of them. I think having both on the floor can work as long as the rest of the team is hitting their shots. Garland was a different player in Game 5, having by far his best game. But was that because the Cavs only had one big?

If Mobley could develop a consistent 3-point shot from the corner and the angle it would change everything. The Cavs could spread the defense and put both their rim defenders on the floor at the same time.

I caught The Hoop Collective on ESPN the other day and Windhorst stated the 1-3-1 (1 big, 1 pg and 3 shooters) was absolutely the way to go for the Cavs. The results and data both have supported such but JBB has failed to embrace such when we have a full(er) roster

 

[2 For The Brew]

Why do we seem to have an A-Hole villian character against us every series. Does this happen to other teams? Basically the Wagner brothers have morphed together in my mind and I dislike them both.

We've got Marcus Morris now. I dislike the Wagner Bros too (esp Mo) but Mook definitely qualifies as an AHVC.