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2023 Offseason Potential Targets (FA and Trades)

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The Cavs front office is fully aware of the supply and demand conundrum at small forward.

Are they? :chuckle:

It is hard for me to take our front office seriously when we opted to take a 4 year collegiate SG over someone like Tari Eason. A small forward with all the production and physical markers of a bully NBA 3 and we didn't draft him.

Then we are constantly pulling out our pockets like the poor tax monopoly man every off-season. It is like the person who keeps going to the casino but complains about not having any money.
 
We traded him so it didn't matter....ultimately.
 
Are they? :chuckle:

It is hard for me to take our front office seriously when we opted to take a 4 year collegiate SG over someone like Tari Eason. A small forward with all the production and physical markers of a bully NBA 3 and we didn't draft him.

Then we are constantly pulling out our pockets like the poor tax monopoly man every off-season. It is like the person who keeps going to the casino but complains about not having any money.

Ochai was a tweener between SG and SF due to his 8'8 standing reach, which dwarfs Strus.
 
We traded him so it didn't matter....ultimately.

This is where I completely disagree.

Every decision you make, as an organization, has a ripple effect. We took a guy like Ochai, at a position where there is an abundance of interchangeable players and passed on someone at a scarcer position, with the combination of size and production that screamed he would be a quality NBA player.

When you are then turning around that summer and trading for another player, at the same position you just spent a lottery pick on, you are basically cutting out your own knees in those trade talks. You have no leverage nor do you really have a desire to try to hang on to that asset as it, by human nature, feels like a sunk cost.

So you make a potentially poor choice with who you selected and then that poor choice gets compounded because you are turning around and letting that redundant piece go, without really digging your heels in. You have Danny Ainge on the other end of the phone, talking about how Ochai is expendable with Mitchell coming in, not a lot of minutes for a 4th guard and what exactly is your thought as a GM? Human nature is probably cutting your losses and including him right?

It is just like in fantasy football......if you are receiving a position in a trade, it is a lot easier to let go of that same one. It is just the human aspect of negotiation. We are far more willing to give in on the same asset classes but the decision(s) become a lot harder if you have invested in an asset class that is far more difficult to acquire. That isn't to say you give up on the Mitchell deal....just that as a GM, you are spending a lot more time getting creative, involving another team, trading other pieces for picks, or even just telling the other guy he's not getting "X" player.

It is the exact reason Danny is such a great GM when it comes to executing trades. He wins these trades because he is constantly leveraging the human nature that is involved in these same asset class pieces. Go look at a lot of his deals, he is always acquiring players at the same positions he is giving up because it is a really easy way to extract additional value from someone.

The Ochai thing is what it is........but I'm personally just exhausted at our front office continually doing next to nothing to address it and then acting like there's not a whole lot they can do at every turn.

Ochai was a tweener between SG and SF due to his 8'8 standing reach, which dwarfs Strus.

Saying one non small forward can reach higher than another non small forward isn't doing a lot for me right now Keys. :chuckle: Let's just all pray that Emoni miraculously turns in to something, as that is the one thing that might be able to save our front office from itself.
 
Ainge would have made us include Eason too in addition to Lauri. It doesn't matter if it was Ochai or Eason, whomever 1st rounder we just picked would have been included for D Mitchell.
 
Cleveland gets: Gary Harris & Chuma Okeke
Orlando gets: Isaac Okoro, Dean Wade, Ricky Rubio & 2 2nds

Why?
Harris is a legitimate player who could help us in a lot of ways. Okeke has the tools to be great & could give us production at the 3 & 4. Okoro is just not that good, Dean Wade is a shooter who doesn't like to shoot & Rubio wants to retire.

I'm pretty intrigued by Okeke. He's got great size at 6'7", 7" wingspan & 8'7" standing reach. Those are great measurements. I was watching some clips of him & saw some good things, his shot is actually respectable & he showed some fadeaways from the post. I really like him. He'll be buried in Orlando's bench, might as well try to get him for cheap.

The only thing that is a question mark is his ability to play heavy minutes at the 3, particularly defensively. He's a pretty good athlete & has the body of a 3 though.

I do view Okeke as a guy who could potentially start at the 3 for us. It's a gamble but he has talent. Definitely an upgrade over Okoro.

Strus & LeVert will see significant minutes at the 3, leaving the back-up 2 guard to Harris. He was really good last season & his 3-point shot has improved tremendously.

This will be my last trade idea for a while, y'all are spared of my horrible trade proposals. ;)
 
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This is where I completely disagree.

Every decision you make, as an organization, has a ripple effect. We took a guy like Ochai, at a position where there is an abundance of interchangeable players and passed on someone at a scarcer position, with the combination of size and production that screamed he would be a quality NBA player.

When you are then turning around that summer and trading for another player, at the same position you just spent a lottery pick on, you are basically cutting out your own knees in those trade talks. You have no leverage nor do you really have a desire to try to hang on to that asset as it, by human nature, feels like a sunk cost.

So you make a potentially poor choice with who you selected and then that poor choice gets compounded because you are turning around and letting that redundant piece go, without really digging your heels in. You have Danny Ainge on the other end of the phone, talking about how Ochai is expendable with Mitchell coming in, not a lot of minutes for a 4th guard and what exactly is your thought as a GM? Human nature is probably cutting your losses and including him right?

It is just like in fantasy football......if you are receiving a position in a trade, it is a lot easier to let go of that same one. It is just the human aspect of negotiation. We are far more willing to give in on the same asset classes but the decision(s) become a lot harder if you have invested in an asset class that is far more difficult to acquire. That isn't to say you give up on the Mitchell deal....just that as a GM, you are spending a lot more time getting creative, involving another team, trading other pieces for picks, or even just telling the other guy he's not getting "X" player.

It is the exact reason Danny is such a great GM when it comes to executing trades. He wins these trades because he is constantly leveraging the human nature that is involved in these same asset class pieces. Go look at a lot of his deals, he is always acquiring players at the same positions he is giving up because it is a really easy way to extract additional value from someone.

The Ochai thing is what it is........but I'm personally just exhausted at our front office continually doing next to nothing to address it and then acting like there's not a whole lot they can do at every turn.



Saying one non small forward can reach higher than another non small forward isn't doing a lot for me right now Keys. :chuckle: Let's just all pray that Emoni miraculously turns in to something, as that is the one thing that might be able to save our front office from itself.
8'8" standing reach is power forward territory. Ochai would've been our 3 of the future for sure.
 
8'8" standing reach is power forward territory. Ochai would've been our 3 of the future for sure.

Yeah, if Danny Green can swing between small forward and shooting guard as the 3 and D template of his generation with one less inch in standing reach, I don't worry about Ochai doing the same. Not trying to piss anybody off, just simple math here.
 
Just so everyone is on the same page here, Eason shot .343 from 3 on 2.1 attempts. Agbagi shot .355 from 3 on 2.7 attempts. Okoro shot .363 on 2.3 attempts. If none of these guys improve, at least the number of attempts, then defenses will ignore them all in the postseason. In terms of PER 36, Agabaji averages 6.8 apg, Eason is at 3.5 apg, and Okoro is at 3.7 apg. I think a fair assumption is that Agbaji will get more minutes than he did his rookie year, will let his shot fly, and will help the Jazz out with spacing. He's not a reluctant shooter in the way that Okoro and Eason are.

Now it's a fair point that Eason is the youngest of the three and could improve, but plenty of guys come into the NBA without the ability to reliably shoot and leave the NBA without the ability to reliably shoot. You can't just assume that Eason turns into this good shooter. He may not, and if he doesn't, then you have to play 4 on 5 offensively when he's on the floor. That's going to limit his value.

Basically, anyone claiming that Eason over Agbaji in the draft was a no-brainer is relying upon offensive improvement that hasn't happened yet.
 
Cleveland gets: Scoot Henderson, Brandon Miller, Mark Williams, Anfernee Simons, James Bouknight, 4 2nds from Charlotte & 2 2nds from Portland
Hornets receive: Evan Mobley & Jusuf Nurkic
Portland receives: Darius Garland & Jarrett Allen

Why?
The Cavs need to do some moves if they want to get out of purgatory. I really doubt we're more than a second-round exit, if we're lucky. These moves are made with the future in mind. Each team gets something good. Portland proceeds to trade Lillard for pieces that fit next to Garland & Allen. Cavs also save some money.
Charlotte swaps Miller & Williams for one of the best defensive bigs in the league with tons of upside offensively as well.
Portland builds around Garland & Allen.

New Cleveland line-up

PG: Scoot Henderson / Ty Jerome / Ricky Rubio
SG: Donovan Mitchell / Anfernee Simons / James Bouknight / Sam Merrill
SF: Brandon Miller / Max Strus / Caris LeVert / Isaac Okoro
PF: Georges Niang / Dean Wade
C: Mark Williams / Damian Jones
Coach: J.B. Bickerstaff
Dude has been possessed by the ghost of Ted Stepien.
 
Cleveland gets: Scoot Henderson, Brandon Miller, Mark Williams, Anfernee Simons, James Bouknight, 4 2nds from Charlotte & 2 2nds from Portland
Hornets receive: Evan Mobley & Jusuf Nurkic
Portland receives: Darius Garland & Jarrett Allen

Why?
The Cavs need to do some moves if they want to get out of purgatory. I really doubt we're more than a second-round exit, if we're lucky. These moves are made with the future in mind. Each team gets something good. Portland proceeds to trade Lillard for pieces that fit next to Garland & Allen. Cavs also save some money.
Charlotte swaps Miller & Williams for one of the best defensive bigs in the league with tons of upside offensively as well.
Portland builds around Garland & Allen.

New Cleveland line-up

PG: Scoot Henderson / Ty Jerome / Ricky Rubio
SG: Donovan Mitchell / Anfernee Simons / James Bouknight / Sam Merrill
SF: Brandon Miller / Max Strus / Caris LeVert / Isaac Okoro
PF: Georges Niang / Dean Wade
C: Mark Williams / Damian Jones
Coach: J.B. Bickerstaff

Thanks for keeping Mitchell, ........ and JBB
 
Cleveland gets: Scoot Henderson, Brandon Miller, Mark Williams, Anfernee Simons, James Bouknight, 4 2nds from Charlotte & 2 2nds from Portland
Hornets receive: Evan Mobley & Jusuf Nurkic
Portland receives: Darius Garland & Jarrett Allen

Why?
The Cavs need to do some moves if they want to get out of purgatory. I really doubt we're more than a second-round exit, if we're lucky. These moves are made with the future in mind. Each team gets something good. Portland proceeds to trade Lillard for pieces that fit next to Garland & Allen. Cavs also save some money.
Charlotte swaps Miller & Williams for one of the best defensive bigs in the league with tons of upside offensively as well.
Portland builds around Garland & Allen.

New Cleveland line-up

PG: Scoot Henderson / Ty Jerome / Ricky Rubio
SG: Donovan Mitchell / Anfernee Simons / James Bouknight / Sam Merrill
SF: Brandon Miller / Max Strus / Caris LeVert / Isaac Okoro
PF: Georges Niang / Dean Wade
C: Mark Williams / Damian Jones
Coach: J.B. Bickerstaff
I want what you are smoking...
 
Cleveland gets: Scoot Henderson, Brandon Miller, Mark Williams, Anfernee Simons, James Bouknight, 4 2nds from Charlotte & 2 2nds from Portland
Hornets receive: Evan Mobley & Jusuf Nurkic
Portland receives: Darius Garland & Jarrett Allen

Why?
The Cavs need to do some moves if they want to get out of purgatory. I really doubt we're more than a second-round exit, if we're lucky. These moves are made with the future in mind. Each team gets something good. Portland proceeds to trade Lillard for pieces that fit next to Garland & Allen. Cavs also save some money.
Charlotte swaps Miller & Williams for one of the best defensive bigs in the league with tons of upside offensively as well.
Portland builds around Garland & Allen.

New Cleveland line-up

PG: Scoot Henderson / Ty Jerome / Ricky Rubio
SG: Donovan Mitchell / Anfernee Simons / James Bouknight / Sam Merrill
SF: Brandon Miller / Max Strus / Caris LeVert / Isaac Okoro
PF: Georges Niang / Dean Wade
C: Mark Williams / Damian Jones
Coach: J.B. Bickerstaff
Koby probably oughta limit it to one drunken mistake this week, don’cha think?
 

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