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#3 Orlando Magic vs #6 Philadelphia 76ers

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Who will take out this series?

  • Magic in 4

    Votes: 14 37.8%
  • Magic in 5

    Votes: 14 37.8%
  • Magic in 6

    Votes: 7 18.9%
  • Magic in 7

    Votes: 2 5.4%
  • Philli in 4

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Philli in 5

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Philli in 6

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Philli in 7

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    37
its called the internet... i write on here like i write in a text.. so cry a river... but you wonder as a cleveland fanbase why you guys get bashed so much.. this is one of those examples

you know AV does a lot of dirty things... well more in previous years then this year.. but i never complain or call him a little bitch like yall have with howard... its just funny yall are blind to your own players actions...

whhat dwight did was wrong, i will admit that, but he is human and gets frustrated like anybody else

and i would love to take a poll of the league on who gets beat up more... I think Dwight wins in a landslide much like the DPOY

I dont expect any of you to agree with my point of views so I am done arguing it... best of luck the rest of the playoffs I am sure yall will represent the east

Wow dude.

First, if you want to write like you do in a text, send your opinions to your buddies' phones, not on this site where we expect proper English. This isn't freaking LOLCATZ. ("dwite can haz ejekshun?")

Secondly, yes, Dwight is a superstar, and as such, he gets away with a lot of things other players won't, like camping for ages in the lane. Lebron gets the same treatment. He doesn't travel nearly as much as people complain that he does, but yes sometimes he gets a pass from the refs, just like Dwight.

BUT, if that's the case, you need to accept the fact that at some point they're going to get called for it, like Lebron in Washington and Dwight when he gets called for 3 seconds at the end of a game.

Bottom line though, Howard's elbow was absolutely inexcusable. He is normally very even-tempered, even after getting beaten up all game. Lebron is the exact same way. However, Dwight lost his cool and like Barkley said, that was a punch. Good history or not, that's a suspension. Period. The same would be true if Lebron did it.

No one here is blind to anything, and people like yourself and other fans in other cities like to look at things with rose-colored glasses yourselves sometimes.
 
Wow dude.

First, if you want to write like you do in a text, send your opinions to your buddies' phones, not on this site where we expect proper English. This isn't freaking LOLCATZ. ("dwite can haz ejekshun?")

Secondly, yes, Dwight is a superstar, and as such, he gets away with a lot of things other players won't, like camping for ages in the lane. Lebron gets the same treatment. He doesn't travel nearly as much as people complain that he does, but yes sometimes he gets a pass from the refs, just like Dwight.

BUT, if that's the case, you need to accept the fact that at some point they're going to get called for it, like Lebron in Washington and Dwight when he gets called for 3 seconds at the end of a game.

Bottom line though, Howard's elbow was absolutely inexcusable. He is normally very even-tempered, even after getting beaten up all game. Lebron is the exact same way. However, Dwight lost his cool and like Barkley said, that was a punch. Good history or not, that's a suspension. Period. The same would be true if Lebron did it.

No one here is blind to anything, and people like yourself and other fans in other cities like to look at things with rose-colored glasses yourselves sometimes.

this was a nice response... minus making fun of my online writing but just for you guys... starting now I will write official.

A. I have mentioned before... I am disappointed in D12, he shouldn't throw elbows even out of frustration.

B. I get sick of hearing people in this area complain about LeBron traveling. Yes he does it sometimes, but damn the guy would own regardless.

C. I am not looking at anything in rose-colored glasses. I am just telling some of the people who refered to Dwight was "a little bitch" was uncalled for. So many player lose their cool but it doesn't make them a bitch. And like I said each team has a player that gets underneath the skin of the other team and does some questionable stuff. (and in noway am I saying this is Dwight Howard.)

Best of luck the rest of the way in the playoffs, I doubt we get a chance to play you guys but if we do I don't think we can win.
 
I still don't like trying to face the Magic. Brian Windhorst has convinced me of this.

But that's not to say what I think will happen is the same.

First, the Magic do need strong production out of Howard to stay competitive, because they don't have people to drive into the lane.
Hedo was good at that, but against a strong defense, that's the same as Boston stopping LeBron in 2008, and even then... Hedo doesn't have the explosive first step to break down a defense like that. Howard has matured from last year, when Detroit caused him hell in the playoffs, but he isn't at the Shaq level yet. He still produces more turnovers when he puts the ball on the floor, something the Cavs will realize when game planning. And he's still pretty young too.

Second, the intensity of the playoffs has already begun for that Magic team. And they're doing a dandy job handling the 76ers... and for the record, that was sarcasm.
Why can't they close out that team? The 76ers only big man to throw at Howard is Dalembert. Do we really expect Ratliff to do anything? Even then, Dwight couldn't help himself. Against a team with a lot of real physical big men, does he not flip out? Because of this, they may not even beat the Celtics in the second round if they play each other (and the Bulls would cause as much trouble as the Sixers). And if they make it out, the Cavs seem to have the right mindset from the very beginning, unlike the teams we know could never play the same way (D'Antoni-Suns, Flip-Pistons, etc.). Even with the bad match-up, the Cavs will show a bite that no other team has except the Celtics with Garnett and Powe healthy.

Third, we're still talking about two different coaches here.
Mike Brown is collected, even when we've lost bad games (he has his rare moments, but losing to the Pistons in 2006, Spurs in 2007, and Celtics in 2008 were very professional moments for him, even if they were hard to swallow). Stan can't stop contradicting himself half the time, will end a conversation with the controversial "Whatever" the other half of the time, and has the look and feel of a madman the other half of the time. Hollers the other half of the time. Causes past players to call him out the OTHER half of the time. And even has his own players call him out in other languages (Gorat).... the OTHER half of the time. If you're keeping track, that's THREE times the amount of strikes against him that Mike has as a controversial coach. Hell, he even looks like Ron Jeremy, for pete's sake.

And that's just in demeanor. Mike is one of the best in the business in executing basketball games, especially this year and especially in the playoffs.
His in-between game adjustments are even better. This guy will flat out plan perfectly for this opponent. He'll get the guys to be more physical against Howard, he'll find a plan of action to force worse shots. He'll adjust against a certain player and target them in the same way they targeted Hamilton this year, Allen last year, and even more against Johnson or Wade in Round 2. I suppose a guy that's killed us, like Hedo maybe? It will take the Magic out of their normal game plan. They're already planning to cause problems for the Hawks or Heat. I can see it now...

There's one more that people don't seem to feel that impacts us even more than Howard does for them. LeBron James.
He has become a great defender. He drives the lanes and will cause foul problems, especially for a guy like Howard. He's an improved shooter himself that will have the ball with the game on the line, something that the Magic can't even promise Howard. If we're having problems, the three point shot will not be the only line of offense we'll have. Because LeBron will make whatever happen, happen. It's up to the Magic to have the same defensive game plan that the championship contenders had in year's past. If they don't play the same level of defense that the 2006 Pistons did nor the 2007 Spurs nor the 2008 Celtics, it will be assured that LeBron will cause nightmares for them. And LeBron is older himself as a leader, having even more impact than Howard, especially if the Cavs game plan for him as I'd expect the Magic to do for LeBron. LeBron will lead the defensive attack on the Magic.

Summary: Don't expect an easy time if you play us in the Conference Finals, Magic fans. You'll be very surprised...
All in all, I don't know if the Cavs will truly have their way against the Magic, because I haven't seen them against a real opponent yet. Even without Garnett, the Celtics are capable of fighting the Magic, so we'll see how the Magic, along with Howard, Hedo, Rashard, and especially Stan, handle it. Either way, the Cavs are the strongest opponent in the East, and if the playoffs are a different indicator for results like they were in 2007 - Cavs Vs. Spurs Regular Season... those Magic blowouts against Cavs will be a thing of the past...
 
Dwight is possibly the biggest cheater in the history of sports...I have zero interest in watching him cheat at basketball...

If it came down to watching Dwight Howard cheat at playing basketball or watching an Elephant and a Bullfrog fornicate on the west side of the Antigua Island in the Caribbean, I would watch the sweet love making go down as opposed to the disgusting alternative... That being Dwight Howard and his cheating ways...

Dwight and Stan are both lame...

They get hard eggs
http://hardeggs.ytmnd.com/
 
this was a nice response... minus making fun of my online writing but just for you guys... starting now I will write official.

Technically you even wrote that incorrectly. It should read, "starting now I will write officially" since you are using that word as an adverb as it relates to the verb "write" and not as an adjective. Just another helpful hint from the grammar sticklers here at RCF. :thumbup:

Best of luck the rest of the way in the playoffs, I doubt we get a chance to play you guys but if we do I don't think we can win.

Now you are just forcefully removing your rose-colored glasses and swimming against the stream to prove a point. Do you really think you can't get past the KG-less Celtics? Is the Master of Panic that awful a coach?
 
By the way guys, wasn't this the good Magic fan? patport21?

There's no need to insult him, or Dwight for that matter. He's already a quality poster here, and I'm not even here as much these days and I can tell. Dwight just lost his cool. He still takes the same abuse that LBJ and Shaq (and Yao) would take. Wade would take that abuse too, but he's too small to endure it.

But then again, this is enemy territory... So smack talk is just fine coming from him and the others here.

But don't forget, patport21, you're right now in the middle of this series with a lower quality team, where you guys aren't even sure if you'll close it out in 6.

You'll probably beat them, but you guys need more luck right now than us, even if you play against the Bulls, which is very unlikely. That second round match-up will be tricky, but not impossible.

And good luck as well. If you make it, see you in the Conference Finals.
 
Technically you even wrote that incorrectly. It should read, "starting now I will write officially" since you are using that word as an adverb as it relates to the verb "write" and not as an adjective. Just another helpful hint from the grammar sticklers here at RCF. :thumbup:



Now you are just forcefully removing your rose-colored glasses and swimming against the stream to prove a point. Do you really think you can't get past the KG-less Celtics? Is the Master of Panic that awful a coach?

We are the Magic... We are struggling with Philly.
Dwight Suspended is official.
 
No DWIGHT HOWARD BABY. ESPN reports it. No Lee either, Sixers take GM 6 and we'll see what happens on Saturday...
 
By the way guys, wasn't this the good Magic fan? patport21?

There's no need to insult him, or Dwight for that matter. He's already a quality poster here, and I'm not even here as much these days and I can tell. Dwight just lost his cool. He still takes the same abuse that LBJ and Shaq (and Yao) would take. Wade would take that abuse too, but he's too small to endure it.

But then again, this is enemy territory... So smack talk is just fine coming from him and the others here.

But don't forget, patport21, you're right now in the middle of this series with a lower quality team, where you guys aren't even sure if you'll close it out in 6.

You'll probably beat them, but you guys need more luck right now than us, even if you play against the Bulls, which is very unlikely. That second round match-up will be tricky, but not impossible.

And good luck as well. If you make it, see you in the Conference Finals.

And you remind me why my best friend is a Cavs fan. :)
No Homo!
 
No DWIGHT HOWARD BABY. ESPN reports it. No Lee either, Sixers take GM 6 and we'll see what happens on Saturday...

Not being a homer but I bet we stick with Philly even minus these two players... I know it will be tough, but I have a wierd feeling.
 
patport21 is not gonna like this article on the Master of Panic :chuckles:

Published: April 30, 2009
Van Gundy's coaching style under fire
The Magic coach's antics have been criticized by Shaq, Barkley ... and his own players

By John Denton
ESPN.com

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ORLANDO, Fla. -- Stan Van Gundy sprang off the Orlando Magic's bench as if he had been shot out of one of those T-shirt guns, flailing his arms and scrunching up his face as though his pregame meal was coming back to haunt him.

The impetus for this particular mini-rant from Van Gundy was Magic forward Mickael Pietrus giving up a blow-by dunk to Philadelphia's Andre Iguodala, but really it could have been any of a dozen or so moments from a Magic game.

If this is how the coach reacts to one blown coverage, just imagine what his mindset was as his Magic fell into 1-0 and 2-1 holes against the heavy-underdog 76ers before pulling ahead 3-2 on Tuesday night. In three of the first four games of the series, Orlando either blew or almost squandered a big lead, leading some to wonder if Van Gundy's antics were causing the Magic to grow tighter and sweatier than, well, a Van Gundy.

"Coach Van Gundy has done a great job in Orlando, but he is so hyper," TNT analyst Charles Barkley said recently. "Teams take on a coach's personality, and I think sometimes he gets so animated and so hyper it just makes the team uncomfortable."

Van Gundy's loud, in-your-face coaching style was particularly good for the Magic during the regular season, spurring an otherwise mellow roster to some clutch, cold-blooded victories. Winners of 59 games, the Magic have been among the league's best road teams for two years, and this season alone Orlando beat the Lakers, Cleveland, Boston and San Antonio twice apiece.

But it's the playoffs that matter most, and so far Orlando has looked like anything but a dominant team capable of rolling through the Eastern Conference and contending for the NBA crown. A massive offensive slump, due in part to injuries, hit late in the regular season and carried over to the playoffs, making a once-formidable inside-out attack look rather ordinary.

And then there's the inability to hold leads down the stretch in this series. Orlando was so good at sealing the deal during the regular season, going 48-4 when leading after three periods and 52-1 when up at the five-minute mark. But in the playoffs, the Magic have at times come apart like a cheap suit. They frittered away an 18-point bulge in a Game 1 loss and saw a similar lead whittled to five in Game 2 before prevailing. And in Game 4, they needed a Hedo Turkoglu game-winning 3-pointer with 1.1 seconds after blowing a 10-point lead in the final five minutes.

Naturally, the blame for such collapses has fallen at the feet of Van Gundy. He has made himself a target around the NBA by firing off random potshots at Shaquille O'Neal and the New York Knicks brass in the regular season, and now Philadelphia coach Tony DiLeo after Game 5 of these playoffs. When DiLeo lobbied Tuesday night for more 3-seconds calls on Magic star Dwight Howard, Van Gundy ranted, "Instead of just trying to play him better I guess they're going to try and get the league to step in and give them something."

Van Gundy's calculated digs have made him as much of a "SportsCenter" staple as Howard's dunks. And he raised some eyebrows around Orlando recently when he was asked who the leader of the Magic was and pointed a finger to his chest and said "Me."

Now the Magic's early playoff struggles have done the unthinkable and made "The Big Home-for-the-Playoffs" look like Nostradamus, something considered blasphemous in Central Florida where Shaq is still persona non grata.

"First of all, none of his players like him," O'Neal said in March after Van Gundy had tweaked him for flopping on a play in the paint. "When it gets tough in the playoffs, he will become the master of panic like he did before and he will quit like he did before. When it gets time for his team to go into the postseason and do certain things, he will let them down."

Van Gundy has taken the criticism about his coaching antics in stride, admitting in classic self-deprecating style that he is hardly a coach without faults. He even joked last week that his kids played a game where they tried to think of a person who had a less important job in society than their dad and couldn't come up with one. Cracked Van Gundy: "They were humorous at first, but then it turned serious. & They finally conceded that at least I don't do anything illegal."

Oddly, despite his success in Orlando, some of Van Gundy's harshest critics have also come from inside the Magic bubble.

Howard, the Magic's franchise player, admitted recently on a fan Q&A on his personal Web site that he's often irritated by Van Gundy's rants at him during games. And Howard's caddy, Marcin Gortat -- the backup center, for goodness' sake -- even fired off a shot at Van Gundy. He told a Polish publication recently that "the nature of our coach, he panics very often during games. He's got some behavior which is not good for us. With his gestures he makes us more nervous on the floor."

This is where you must understand something about Van Gundy: His nervousness, fiery intensity and passion burn just as hot in a February game against Sacramento as they do in the pressurized playoff cauldron. Some of his most scathing postgame critiques have come after lopsided victories. With him, winning and losing isn't just equivalent to living and dying; it's a possession-to-possession pursuit of perfection.

"I'm aware of what's been said and I do evaluate it, but it's not wrong all of the time," Van Gundy said. "I think I do some things that are very, very good for our team as well. And there are times that I do things that aren't good for our team.

"I'm not holding myself up as someone who doesn't make mistakes and that everything I do is great," Van Gundy continued. "That would be foolhardy, and it wouldn't be the attitude that you would want the players to have. As far as me, I think I know who I am and I'm self-aware. But the ultimate judgment of if I'm any good or not goes to other people, and I don't have time to sit and worry about that."

Van Gundy is, in fact, highly critical of himself. No one takes losses harder than he does, and he usually falls on his sword well before being pushed by message-board posters or media types. Magic general manager Otis Smith purposely avoids Van Gundy after games, and noted "Stan does a pretty good job of beating himself up."

Van Gundy admitted that he's fine with the criticisms of him, because some of it actually is right on the mark.

"At times, the criticism isn't valid and sometimes it is valid," he said. "You hate to admit it sometimes, but I think a lot of things said about me over the years have been true, but they're not the whole picture. You cant blow off criticism completely. Sometimes I read stuff by people about me and I say it's [garbage]. But some of the criticism -- and I know too that some of the good stuff is [garbage] too -- isn't the whole picture of me."

Good or bad, Van Gundy's sideline histrionics are no act; they are very much a learned behavior. His father, Bill, was a small-college coach for 42 years and was a raging, vein-busting coach along the lines of Bobby Knight. And younger brother Jeff, now an analyst with ABC, seemed to carry the weight of coaching in New York and Houston in the dark bags under his eyes.

For the Van Gundys, coaching is a way of life. Stan, 49, and Jeff, 47, filed scouting reports for their father when he was away from coaching briefly in 1971 after brain cancer -- Stan was a seventh-grader and Jeff was in the fourth grade. Their family vacations were to Final Fours, and one of Stan's greatest memories even today was spending a week at a coaching clinic as Pete Newell's personal gofer.

"We're living proof that insanity is inherited," said Cindy Van Gundy, Stan and Jeff's mother. "Basketball has been very good to this family."

And Van Gundy clearly has been very good for the Magic. In two years' time, he's taken the franchise to 52 and 59 wins and consecutive Southeast Division titles. Last April he helped the Magic win their first playoff series since Shaq defected from Orlando to Los Angeles in 1996. And his hard-driving ways have brought the best out of Howard (2009 Defensive Player of the Year), Turkoglu (2008 Most Improved Player) and Jameer Nelson (first-time All-Star in 2009).

Still, some in the Magic organization worry that their coach burns too hot on a daily basis and eventually his message will grow old and its impact will weaken. And even if he doesn't lose his effectiveness with his team, can he maintain this intensity and keep ruffling so many feathers around the league over the long term?

Magic president/CEO Bob Vander Weide isn't your typical stuffed suit who treats ownership of an NBA team as a business opportunity. He often plays pickup basketball after practice with Magic director of player development Morlon Wiley, a former NBA player. And during Magic home games, Vander Weide sits a half-dozen seats away from Van Gundy along the bench.

Vander Weide knows basketball and is dialed into his team. And in his eyes, Van Gundy is hardly a coach who panics or incites nervousness among players. The coach's actions are genuine and passionate and done in the name of winning, Vander Weide stressed.

"With Stan, it's all out there. Yes, he runs hot. He may sometimes be a little loose-tongued, but we've had a lot of different coaches in here and I don't think I've ever been around somebody who wants to win so much," Vander Weide said.

"I don't see panic, but I hear the word being used by [Shaq and Barkley]. I'm sitting pretty close these days to what Stan is doing in games and I don't see panic. I see intensity, frustration, the need to execute better, but it doesn't feel like panic to me. That feels like a guy who is intensely active in making sure plays are run correctly and games are won. That's what you should want in a coach."

John Denton is a regular contributor to ESPN.com and covers the Orlando Magic for Florida Today.
 
Not being a homer but I bet we stick with Philly even minus these two players... I know it will be tough, but I have a wierd feeling.

What is the starting 5 going to be?
 
Not huge news but:

Redick And Gortat To Start Game 6
Apr 30, 2009 4:51 PM EST

J.J. Redick and Marcin Gortat will each make the first start of their playoff careers on Thursday to replace Courtney Lee and Dwight Howard, who are each unavailable for Game 6.

"I want to go have fun -- that's what Otis (General Manager Otis Smith) said to me. Otis knows I put a lot of pressure on myself. I have high expectiations for myself," Redick said. "So he just gave me a friendly reminder this morning to have fun.

"I just have to be in the right spots defensively and make the shots when they are there."

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/58886/20090430/redick_and_gortat_to_start_game_6/

The Magic could be in for some trouble...
 
Does anyone else keep thinking specifically about Mike Bianchi and his stupid anti-Cavs articles for each negative thing that happens to the Magic?
 

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