A Look Inside the Dysfunction of the Cleveland Browns

[raiders91sc]

Thing is, Cleveland is a decently desirable city to Football (and baseball) players. Its only basketball and their metro lifestyle that doesn't like Cleveland. But Cleveland fans are great to their athletes, cheap place to live, very family friendly, easy on traffic, etc. These are all things football players look for, thus why I feel once we start winning we will have no problem attracting players in free agency or keeping our own players.

Schwartz and others only left because the organization was a mess, but Dorsey has us on the right track for sure. I would almost argue if we are a perennial play off team, Cleveland is a top 5 destination for players. Its so different than football.

football/basketball/baseball players do not see Cleveland as a desirable city unless they pay more. In all 3 sports we are probably in the bottom 5 of locations guys want to go. Anything on the west and east coast are above us. Florida and Texas have no state tax, bigger cities and better weather. The city's on our level are Detroit, Green Bay, Utah, Buffalo, and Indy.

 

[Sebastian]

football/basketball/baseball players do not see Cleveland as a desirable city unless they pay more. In all 3 sports we are probably in the bottom 5 of locations guys want to go. Anything on the west and east coast are above us. Florida and Texas have no state tax, bigger cities and better weather. The city's on our level are Detroit, Green Bay, Utah, Buffalo, and Indy.

Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, Sacramento.

 

[MGMT]

Cincinnati, Nashville, Atlanta

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Nashville

Joking right?

 

[MGMT]

Joking right?

I love Nashville. Tbh I don’t really know what I was doing. I kind of just started naming cities a la the song Throw it Up by Little Jon and the Eastside Boys whom I would assume are old enough to be considered men now.

 

[bcort]

The city's on our level are Detroit, Green Bay, Utah, Buffalo, and Indy.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Cincinnati, Nashville, Atlanta

I'd say Nashville is nicer than Cleveland.

Can't really agree with Atlanta either. Atlanta is massive. It's one of the biggest cities in the country. There is far more to do there, and it's certainly more appealing to black players than Cleveland is.

Cincinnati, on the other hand, is worse than Cleveland. I used to go there a lot growing up, as I lived about two and a half hours away and we had some relatives there and in Dayton. Place was a shithole, although to be fair it has been about ten years since I've been so maybe it's better now.

 

[raiders91sc]

Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, Sacramento.

especially Milwaukee sorry I forgot that one.

 

[raiders91sc]

every city looks the same in Utah so I included them all. LOL.

Good catch there.

 

[CBBI]

I think hes probably a top 10 head coach. He won about 5 more games than he should have this year

I tend to agree with you. The Bills had a QB who quite literally couldn't complete simple passes and very little skill position talent and still clawed out 6 wins this past year.

According to Expected W-L the Bills overachieved by 4 wins in McDermott's two seasons at the helm.

To compare... Hue Jackson's teams underachieved by 6 wins in 2016 and 2017 combined.

 

[godfather]

The Browns are finally on the right path. And this hit piece about what dysfunctional mess we've been hits out of the blue.

Someone that was once part of the organization, is looking for some payback. And has an ESPN buddy that did him a favor.

I can take a pretty easy guess where this is coming from.

 

[macbdog]

The Browns are finally on the right path. And this hit piece about what dysfunctional mess we've been hits out of the blue.

Someone that was once part of the organization, is looking for some payback. And has an ESPN buddy that did him a favor.

I can take a pretty easy guess where this is coming from.

Maybe I read a different article but the author pointed out several instances were Hue was wrong and didn't exactly paint him in a favorable light, either. There was clearly more than one source here, and from different eras of Haslams reign of error.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

The story covered Haslam’s tenure as an owner and the events throughout. Hue hasn’t been the coach for even half of Haslam’s tenure as the owner so I don’t know why everyone is assuming Hue Jackson is behind all of this.

I know everyone hates Hue, but it doesn’t make any sense that he was the source for the Farmer, Chudd, Pettine, Lombardi, Banner, etc parts of the story

This wasn’t just a Hue Jackson revenge piece it was pretty comprehensive

 

[camakazee]

The story covered Haslam’s tenure as an owner and the events throughout. Hue hasn’t been the coach for even half of Haslam’s tenure as the owner so I don’t know why everyone is assuming Hue Jackson is behind all of this.

I know everyone hates Hue, but it doesn’t make any sense that he was the source for the Farmer, Chudd, Pettine, Lombardi, Banner, etc parts of the story

This wasn’t just a Hue Jackson revenge piece it was pretty comprehensive

Agreed, this is a pretty detailed look at everything with multiple sources.

Unfortunately the reaction to pieces like this from local fans is to deny, question, or defend. They take it as an attack on their team from the national media.

But a piece like this could honestly be written about 30-40% of professional sports teams. Would anyone be surprised to see a similarly negative comprehensive look at Dan Gilbert’s time as owner of the Cavs? I would not.

Having worked for two different sports organizations, you’d be surprised about the shit that goes down behind the scenes. And in many cases, it’s the result of poor leadership at the top.

 

[AZ_]

Agreed, this is a pretty detailed look at everything with multiple sources.

Unfortunately the reaction to pieces like this from local fans is to deny, question, or defend. They take it as an attack on their team from the national media.

But a piece like this could honestly be written about 30-40% of professional sports teams. Would anyone be surprised to see a similarly negative comprehensive look at Dan Gilbert’s time as owner of the Cavs? I would not.

Having worked for two different sports organizations, you’d be surprised about the shit that goes down behind the scenes. And in many cases, it’s the result of poor leadership at the top.

Spot on.