A Thread About Women

[gourimoko]

My take is that he suggested pairing women with other engineers because they are more social by nature; not because they are incompetent. Also he wanted to reduce stress there because on average women suffer from more anxiety. I don't see anything wrong there. In fact that would benefit both sexes as both suffer from stress and anxiety.

Your take is wrong.. You do not understand what he's talking about and yet you slap disagree on my posts?!?

Pair programming is when you have two programmers working in tandem; with two programmers working together, simultaneously, and at the same computer, with one typing and the other doing higher level abstraction or "navigation." It's one proposed method within the Agile programming paradigm, and it's a method I (and most programmers) strongly oppose.

The author makes the "unfounded" claim that female programmers would be better suited to this method of development, perhaps not realizing (?) that most companies would choose to avoid this kind of development model due to costs and an immediate impact on productivity without necessarily seeing long-term gains in reduction of bugs in the code base.

 

[gourimoko]

And then I posted the full section where you omitted the important piece I bolded and gave my take.

Dude, you asked me for quotes, I told you to read the manifesto.. You asked me for specific citations twice more and then Dave asked again, I gave them, and now you're lamenting that I didn't post additional context when I told you the context of the implication was the entirety of the manifesto?

Are you fucking serious?

 

[TyGuy]

Your take is wrong.. You do not understand what he's talking about and yet you slap disagree on my posts?!?

Pair programming is when you have two programmers working in tandem; with two programmers working together, simultaneously, and at the same computer, with one typing and the other doing higher level abstraction or "navigation." It's one proposed method within the Agile programming paradigm, and it's a method I (and most programmers) strongly oppose.

The author makes the "unfounded" claim that female programmers would be better suited to this method of development, perhaps not realizing (?) that most companies would choose to avoid this kind of development model due to costs and an immediate impact on productivity without necessarily seeing long-term gains in reduction of bugs in the code base.

Your take is wrong.

 

[TyGuy]

Dude, you asked me for quotes, I told you to read the manifesto.. You asked me for specific citations twice more and then Dave asked again, I gave them, and now you're lamenting that I didn't post additional context when I told you the context of the implication was the entirety of the manifesto?

Are you fucking serious?

Yeah, and I disagreed? Your response, your take is wrong.

 

[gourimoko]

I don't see anything wrong there. In fact that would benefit both sexes as both suffer from stress and anxiety.

I personally hate that paradigm of development, and find it much less stressful to work on my own, at my own pace (not slowed down by another coder), and in my own preferred development environment. I generally try not to work with other programmers in this way.

 

[gourimoko]

Your take is wrong.

How?

You obviously do not know what pair programming is; this isn't some term the dude just made up, it's a concept within the Agile programming methodology..

You guessed at what he meant, I explained what it actually means.... You don't like me, so now I'm instantly "wrong?" And someone is supposed to take this conversation seriously?

 

[TyGuy]

"Pair programming is an agile software development technique in which two programmers work together at one workstation. One, the driver, writes code while the other, the observer or navigator, reviews each line of code as it is typed in. The two programmers switch roles frequently."

Yep, sounds to me like you just anchor a moron to a higher intellect person for no reason whatsoever.

 

[gourimoko]

Yeah, and I disagreed? Your response, your take is wrong.

Disagreed with what?

How is saying that women would be better off with pair programming not implying they are less than better off without it? Most dev shops do not use pair programming; I would never advocate for it in any shop I had any say in -- do you not get this?

 

[TyGuy]

I personally hate that paradigm of development, and find it much less stressful to work on my own, at my own pace (not slowed down by another coder), and in my own preferred development environment. I generally try not to work with other programmers in this way.

Maybe women would feel different on average?

 

[gourimoko]

"Pair programming is an agile software development technique in which two programmers work together at one workstation. One, the driver, writes code while the other, the observer or navigator, reviews each line of code as it is typed in. The two programmers switch roles frequently."

Yep, sounds to me like you just anchor a moron to a higher intellect person for no reason whatsoever.

Ty, are you a programmer?

I mean.. is this a serious conversation?

 

[TyGuy]

Ty, are you a programmer?

I mean.. is this a serious conversation?

Are you a woman?

 

[gourimoko]

Maybe women would feel different on average?

There's no evidence to this.. pair programming is not a commonly used means of coding, Ty.. I mean.. c'mon man..

 

[TyGuy]

There's no evidence to this.. pair programming is not a commonly used means of coding, Ty.. I mean.. c'mon man..

It was a suggestion based on women being more social. What is so inflammatory here that somebody needed to lose their job?

 

[gourimoko]

Are you a woman?

I'm a programmer and an expert in my field.

 

[MediumBaller]

No... of course not.



I honestly wasn't expecting to have an argument about eugenics... That.. wasn't my point...

Oookay, well, then lets take another approach here..

Can you explain to me how some ethnicity or gender with "lower spatial aptitudes" makes for a worse programmer?

It's not an argument about eugenics. Things happened to Ashkenazi Jews in the past, and these are the results. On average they have mediocre visual-spatial intelligence, and high verbal intelligence. That affects a person's ability in certain careers.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/comput...-and-can-we-use-that-to-improve-learning/amp/